My original thread was lost, so here's a summary for new members. My 87 GT has been a struggle from day one to get things done in a timely fashion. I finally decided to pick up my incomplete project up knowing that I would get things done faster. There are still many mods that I have planned, but she's coming along rather nicely.
I decided to change the interior to a blue and Lambo cream color scheme. It works well with the color of the car. I also have custom blue/cream floormats that are soo nice that they are for show purpose only. The seat belts were also custom made with blue thread. The seats are Mr. Mikes, as well as the doors. The seat belt cover and seat adjust are also wrapped in leather. The center console will be modified to fit the EPX-2 controller w/ switches. The stereo is very remarkable... Anyone from the Bob Stieger's show that can testify?
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
87 GT, 5spd, 12" Wilwood brakes, Front slalon racing suspension, 88 rear cradle, coil overs all te way around, crate 3.4, FOCOA headers, overbored TB, Accel 300+ system, back-up Optima red top battery, competition stereo system, custom footwell sub box, 17" front 18x9 rear Ronal LZ wheels w/ P-Zero tires... Okay... Okay... I'll stop there, or it will get old real quick.
P.S. Is it true that people get positive ratings for having an undying obsession for all Fiero's in general, and being bent on continuous improvement of them?
not bad man, I think you have, umm a lot more money in yours than mine! but I will someday be in the same league aas you guys looks nice cant wait to see it at the show!
The fronts are 225/35/17's, and the rear are whopping 265/35/18's. I'm thinking about swapping my new 3800 Series II SC into this one just to justify the tire size.
P.S. Is it true that people get positive ratings for having an undying obsession for all Fiero's in general, and being bent on continuous improvement of them?
Greg
Possibly, but your obsession must not be very high because your head light door is messed up. You get no positive ratings for that
I don't think I've seen an interior color combo like that in a Fiero yet. Very cool.
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87FieroGTx Member
Posts: 2630 From: Bath, New York, USA Registered: Jun 2001
Possibly, but your obsession must not be very high because your head light door is messed up. You get no positive ratings for that
I don't think I've seen an interior color combo like that in a Fiero yet. Very cool.
No fair! Bryan Wilkinson broke the bracket, scuffed up the paint everywhere, and left me a mess to deal with! :P I do have the part to replace it now... I just need to get it painted. Did I mention that I rebuilt the headlight motors?
P.S. The rating was just a joke for the most part. The only reason I'd like the ratings is because the suspense of how many people like my presence on this forum is killing me. :P I'd be fine with everyone giving me nuetrals so it would just appear already. I feel like a newbie without a bar showing, when I've been actively following and admiring everyone else's projects for years now. heh
Greg
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
Yes, a shot from the side with the wheels straight forward would be nice.
Ayrow
You can see better pics of the wheels at www.ronalusa.com. You can fit 18"s up front. I just like the 17/18" look as well. I got a full set of 17"s, then got the 18" rears. So, I do have a spare set of 17"s w/ rubber that I would be interested in selling/trading. PM me with an offer whoever might be interested.
Thanks, Greg
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
I like your car, its definatly "different" and that in the best way possible!
Hmm now you just need a better engine!
I say drop in the 3800 SC
Thanks for the kind words. Just as many on PFF, I take very much pride in being uniquely different. Skitime, SmoothGT, Kamino, V8Archie, and many others find cool ways to make that one of a kind Fiero that makes life so much more enjoyable. There is just something about making a diamond from the rough that makes you put life into perspective. No matter where you get started in life, you have to keep working toward your dream until it becomes a reality.
::steps off podium::
Greg
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
Do I have any rubbing problems with the 265/35/18's?
Nope, they handle and corner GREAT!
Are there any other problems with that tire size?
I did find one problem with having 265's on the rear. DO NOT SPEED ON THE HIGHWAY WHEN IT IS RAINING! I was coming back from the Twin Lakes Show, and learned a physics lesson. The wider the rear tires, the more vehicle weight is shared by the rubber on the asphalt. The likeliness that you will hydroplane is very much increased. I was cruising in the left lane at about 70mph and was on a mild turn. I hit a very slight puddle, and fishtailed slightly. It doesn't take much to lose it, so I dropped to 60mph and stayed in the right hand lane. Just an FYI driving tip.
There were a lot of requests for more pics, so I'm going to dump what I got for those interested...
Here they come!
Greg
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
Originally posted by FieroGTguy:P.S. Is it true that people get positive ratings for having an undying obsession for all Fiero's in general, and being bent on continuous improvement of them?
Just as many on PFF, I take very much pride in being uniquely different. Skitime, SmoothGT, Kamino, V8Archie, and many others find cool ways to make that one of a kind Fiero that makes life so much more enjoyable. There is just something about making a diamond from the rough that makes you put life into perspective. No matter where you get started in life, you have to keep working toward your dream until it becomes a reality.
::steps off podium::
Greg
The individuals, like yourself, that are willing to go the extra step help push others into taking another step, continuously pushing the envelope. Your car and the ones you mentioned above perpetuate the Fiero not as a failure for G.M. but an example of what it could have became.
Hope you can make it to the 20th. Once again thanks for sending the pics. Didn't realize I didn't give you a + so that's been changed.
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Philphine Member
Posts: 6136 From: louisville,ky. usa Registered: Feb 2000
i may have missed it since i couldn't access the forum for a while, but did you ever show how you braced the new facia? i took mine back off the car and put it in the basement till i got home.
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Posts: 2049 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Nov 2001
The individuals, like yourself, that are willing to go the extra step help push others into taking another step, continuously pushing the envelope. Your car and the ones you mentioned above perpetuate the Fiero not as a failure for G.M. but an example of what it could have became.
Hope you can make it to the 20th. Once again thanks for sending the pics. Didn't realize I didn't give you a + so that's been changed.
That's what is great about the Fiero... We here have shown SOO many different versions of "how it should have been made in the first place". GM couldn't have pleased everyone the way we can please ourselves, so I guess they did do something right.
Any true enthusiast like yourself gets a + rating in my book!
Greg
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
i may have missed it since i couldn't access the forum for a while, but did you ever show how you braced the new facia? i took mine back off the car and put it in the basement till i got home.
I'll get some pics of it, but 'm thinking about a different method. I could sell you this brace if you like it after I take pics this weekend.
Greg
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
What is your offets? I am goin to be running 18x8-25mm and 225/40 in the front and 18x9-35mm and 255/35 in the back.
I'm not sure what the exact offsets are for the wheels because I wasn't the original buyer. I swapped them with the 17" Compromotives that used to be on there (you can see in one of the pics) for selling a bunch of Fiero parts and an 88 GT N* for Bryan Wilkinson. Not a bad deal, aye?
Greg
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Philphine Member
Posts: 6136 From: louisville,ky. usa Registered: Feb 2000
For your stereo, where are the sub(s)? What brand of components are you using? Are they seperates (they look like seperates with custom mounted tweeters on top), running an EQ? What model deck is that? (Looks like a Pioneer at a quick glance)
Yes, thats a bunch-o-questions, but im looking at doing a custom audio dash too, so i obviuosly have some questions :P
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R Runner Member
Posts: 3696 From: Scottsville, KY Registered: Feb 2003
That is some really nice work. I am impressed. I played with the sound stuff for about 10 years in many different cars and I have seen plenty of competition cars. Yours looks great! I love the redesign of the dash for (i'm guessing) what IASCA would call a sound stage. I'll bet your imaging is fantastic. I like the performance upgrades too. Nice touch. I hope I get to see it at the 20th.
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FieroGTguy Member
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For your stereo, where are the sub(s)? What brand of components are you using? Are they seperates (they look like seperates with custom mounted tweeters on top), running an EQ? What model deck is that? (Looks like a Pioneer at a quick glance)
Yes, thats a bunch-o-questions, but im looking at doing a custom audio dash too, so i obviuosly have some questions :P
Once this project started, I was eager to get all the parts needed for my system. That was a mistake, because waiting for the work I couldn't do that needed to be done before the install took years, and my components are probably obscelete. Since I forked over the dough, I went with what I got and am more than happy with it still. A future upgrade is eminant. I hope to get sponsered, and go with a simgle brand with their "good stuff". But here is what I got excluding many model #'s because I forget, heh:
Deck = Pioneer CD/MP3/CDR Player
Dash Speakers = Dual MB Quart's that were the best bridge model under their Q series components.
Amps = Rockford Fosgate 360.6 (3 channel) 60 watts to each 3 sets of speakers. Rockford Fosgate 250.1 mono sub amp 500watt RMS x 1
Sub = 10" Digital Dynamics Audio sub (9100 series, I believe). PHAT dual stack polished magnet w/ carbon fiber cone! www.ddaudio.com (1200watts RMS) I made a custom footwell sub enclosure to fit the monster that makes it look stock.
Crossover/EQ = Rockford Fosgate EPX-2 symetry system (the controller is pictured resting on the console).
Misc. = I am running a high output isolator to the most expensive red top dry cell Optima battery I could find that the sound system runs from. That way, I can run the system down all the way at a show, if I wish, and it won't affect the battery the car uses. Once the car starts, the alt charges both batteries. I originally planned to use a Stinger dual output alt, but there were problems. I also am running monster cables, and twisted spearker wire in a sheath... You know, the expensive kind.
I can find out more info on request, but that's it in a nutshell.
Greg
*edited because I may not have been the first to create a footwell sub box... But the first to offer a 100% form fitted 10" fiberglass box open for sale on the lists, and post pics and help others make their own back on the .org fiero list. My point was that it was not a copy of any kind, and that I contribute to the Fiero community when I can.
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That is some really nice work. I am impressed. I played with the sound stuff for about 10 years in many different cars and I have seen plenty of competition cars. Yours looks great! I love the redesign of the dash for (i'm guessing) what IASCA would call a sound stage. I'll bet your imaging is fantastic. I like the performance upgrades too. Nice touch. I hope I get to see it at the 20th.
That's kind of a funny story about the imaging. I have never owned or tuned a stereo system before this one. I've always read discussions about the topic, but never actually heard what they were talking about.
The first time I heard the system was without a sub, and was unlike anything that I expected. The front sound stage was so fantastic that it took awhile getting used to. The sound must reflect right off the windshield directly at you because the image is awesome! The source seems to float from right above the gauge pod. I see why they call it a sound STAGE now because it really is like you are listening to music LIVE!
I'm tickled every time I drive her. I just need to install a custom 3.4 chip to address the erradic idle on startup. Remount the bumper because I am a perfectionist. Add side scoops, and a chop top + modified 3800 SC will be in its future.
It's a neverending work in progress, so there will be plenty of updates for years to come.
Originally posted by cancerkazoo: I had a footwell sub enclosure in '92, built by my local stereo shop. They said they had beed doing it for years.
See above edit. I never knew, saw, or heard about a footwell sub enclosure for a 10" woofer before my roommate and I started, and I had been on the fiero.org list for years. Perhaps there were some posted on PFF before I got here? Who knows? I don't.
Are you going to compete with your system? If so, i do believe that all subwoofers must be located behind the "imaginary line" which is from the end of the rear-most doors and back...
I am surprised that you didn't put the sub behind the passenger seat (in the firewall...that sounds like the best option to me (which is why i did that)...
Congratulations on the dash..very nice...VERY nice...
How much do you have invested ($$) in that dash - parts, finishing costs, etc?
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FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
Are you going to compete with your system? If so, i do believe that all subwoofers must be located behind the "imaginary line" which is from the end of the rear-most doors and back...
I am surprised that you didn't put the sub behind the passenger seat (in the firewall...that sounds like the best option to me (which is why i did that)...
Congratulations on the dash..very nice...VERY nice...
How much do you have invested ($$) in that dash - parts, finishing costs, etc?
I had to help my friend move, so I didn't have time to get pics, sry. I want to use his far better digital camara. :P
I've never competed before, but I've had serious thoughts after my upgrade. I chose the footwell because the sub depth is huge due to the dual stack magnet, and I'm not a fan of forcing anyone closer to the windshield than they want to be.
If the footwell sub violates IASCA rules, then I would probably run extra wires for an impromptu behind the seat installation until I fabricate something more show worthy.
Just FYI... This car wasn't purpose built to be a trophy collector or trailor queen for sight, sound, or speed... But my goal is to continue improving what I can in each catagory. It isn't much more than my personal hobby that I love to share with whomever else appreciates it.
It's my daily driver, so it is prone to rocks, chips, + scratches. It would be a shame if I didn't enjoy it for the fear it might get damaged.
As far as costs involved. I think the builder said that he could make a similiar dash uncovered for about $4000. Once you add the system hardware of your choice, leather of your choice, steering wheel, MOMO shift knob, MOMO aluminum racing pedals, labor, etc... It becomes quite an expensive project. I'm slowing my allowable investments in order to save for a house so it doesn't get to the point it is either a house or keeping the car.
I'll get pics asap, but I have a hectic work week. It's really cool that everyone can share their interest to keep pushing everyone to better their Fiero. Skitime has raised the bar for Fiero excellence, and has done everything I have researched doing to mine, but did in in his unique way. Kudos to Skitime!
Greg
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Fastback 86 Member
Posts: 7849 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Sep 2003
Are you going to compete with your system? If so, i do believe that all subwoofers must be located behind the "imaginary line" which is from the end of the rear-most doors and back...
I am surprised that you didn't put the sub behind the passenger seat (in the firewall...that sounds like the best option to me (which is why i did that)...
Congratulations on the dash..very nice...VERY nice...
How much do you have invested ($$) in that dash - parts, finishing costs, etc?
you should look into that rule.. cause being mid engine.... they might look at the front of our cars as the back in other... not to mention, that in DB, no matter what class, I cant see a single 10 doing much. As far as I know, that rule is only for DB drags.. iasca I dont think has any rules about install/design catagories... but then again, ive been known to be wrong.
FieroAudio.. you seriously need to take a trip to Calgary for their next show, and go meet Tony. All of your Fiero stereo questions will be solved, and your jaw will drop to hear his stereo. Especially after you hear the price of it. I spend more on my one sub than he did on his head unit, subs, and kickpanels... (slight exageration) and his system sounds 1 millions times better than mine... He is FieroSound by the way. http://fierosound.com/
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Philphine Member
Posts: 6136 From: louisville,ky. usa Registered: Feb 2000
Hmm... You got me thinking... Anyone have any good ways to hinge a front bumper? It would be nice to lift up to go through an automatic car wash.
I'll have to think about that one, but with the bracket... It won't be any easier than removing a stock bumper.
Greg
well, doing military i didn't get any further with much of anything this year. maybe i can get back to it next spring. still like to get any info i can on the bracket. since i haven't been on my regular job i couldn't experiment with that part either (no welder access).
I also have custom blue/cream floormats that are soo nice that they are for show purpose only. The seat belts were also custom made with blue thread. The seats are Mr. Mikes, as well as the doors. The seat belt cover and seat adjust are also wrapped in leather. The center console will be modified to fit the EPX-2 controller w/ switches. The stereo is very remarkable... Anyone from the Bob Stieger's show that can testify? 
