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A polemic by Orville
Started on: 11-22-2003 02:50 PM
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Last post by: Orville on 11-23-2003 03:39 PM
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Report this Post11-22-2003 02:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for OrvilleSend a Private Message to OrvilleDirect Link to This Post
Hi, some of you may remember from my posts on the subject the difficulty
I had getting my LS1 swap passed in California. Well, the legislative representative
from my district sent a questionnaire which asked for written comments in addition to
the check-the-boxes questions. I took the opportunity to attach the following note.

On a minor note, I'd like to comment on my recent experience with the Sacramento office
of the Bureau of Automotive Repair. Along with tens of thousands of other californians,
I'm an automotive enthusiast/hobbyist. In my case, I upgraded a 1987 Pontiac Fiero with
an engine swap from a 1998 Pontiac Trans Am. I carefully incorporated ALL the emissions
control components in their stock format to achieve a significant reduction of harmful
emissions. Yet, when I took my vehicle to the CARB referee smog station for its mandatory
check, the referee, who takes his orders directly from the people at the BAR office in
Sacramento, failed the vehicle out of hand without even checking its emissions.

There was no purpose discussing this decision with the BAR bureaucrats; they are rude,
arrogant personifications of the Red Queen from "Alice in Wonderland" who rule by diktat.

This issue was resolved, favorably for me, only after the local office of Senator Roy Ashburn,
at my request, questioned BAR about its handling of my case. They, of course, were unable
to justify their action, and instead completely reversed themselves admitting their error by
approving my vehicle for registration.

I am only one individual, but I know from what I have read on various automotive enthusiast
forums that this silly, purposeless, obstructionist, harassment is daily inflicted on numerous
law abiding, hard working, tax paying, voting california citizens as well as on the manufacturers
and suppliers of after market automotive parts and equipment.

I call the policies of the BAR's Sacramento office silly, purposeless harassment because, in
general, in the majority of cases, these policies have little or nothing at all to do with achieving
cleaner air (their argument), but rather everything to do with self aggrandizing, power grabbing,
bureaucratic empire building that goes way beyond their legally mandated functions.

I suggest saving the state budget money and its citizens from this unwarranted harassment by
reviewing and correcting this bureaucracy's policies and by reducing its staffing.

Orville Idema

What do you think? Will I make the BAR list of all-time favorite people?

Orville

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Report this Post11-22-2003 02:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
Licenses Suspended.
Please bring your Tags to the nearest agency.
Give them hell!!
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Report this Post11-22-2003 05:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mshillSend a Private Message to mshillDirect Link to This Post
Don't even get me started on the mandatory smog testing and the required visual inspection that is required in California. The whole deal is a scam to keep a large number of people employed and hijack another $50-$100 dollars out of my pocket every other year. The stupid thing is that the emissions standard aren't even all that tough to meet with fuel injection and a decent cat almost any car can pass. My 10 year old van that runs extremely rich at idle (don't know why) even passed with a new cat. I have all kinds of non-CARB approved stuff on my Fiero and it passes with huge margins.

The California Air Resources Board is likely to be the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the people of California. The problem is that the majority of us are basically sheep and just do and go where we are told (that's why we have a bad actor for a governor).

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Report this Post11-22-2003 05:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stimpySend a Private Message to stimpyDirect Link to This Post
Good going, Orville! Glad to hear that you took those idiots at the BAR to school!
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Report this Post11-22-2003 05:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ARKaiserSend a Private Message to ARKaiserDirect Link to This Post
Even us that don't live in California have to put up with your stupid laws. Did you know that by the end of 2004 all chain saws sold in the US will have to meet CARB standards? That means a CAT must be installed on all new saws and that will raise the price about $20 to $40 each. I think the CARB standard also applies to mowers and lawn tractors too. I'm all for clean air but what is next? CATs on gas powered modle cars?
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Report this Post11-22-2003 06:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroRumorClick Here to visit FieroRumor's HomePageSend a Private Message to FieroRumorDirect Link to This Post
CATs on gas powered model cars?


I wouldn't be surprised.

But it would be hard to write a ticket that would fit on its windshield...

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Report this Post11-22-2003 11:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlDirect Link to This Post
Next time I'm calling "Eye Witness on Your Side."

I'd pass the sniffer test and they still wounldn't pass me because of having (2) instrument gauges in the car! (1) Fiero mounted one and the Caddy on the passenger floor.

They refused to hook it up for a reading. Told me to take (1) of them out first. Yeah I know i could have hiddin he Caddy behind the seat. Get this, they call for back-up before you get there. To make sure that you dont confuse the (1) guy there.

Personally, they would give you a hard time even if your car was part electric/gas vehicle.

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Report this Post11-23-2003 03:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback 86Send a Private Message to Fastback 86Direct Link to This Post
I'm gonna look some of you guys up in the future for help when I do my engine swap for something bigger. Stupid California government and stupid people who put that government in place. I get to complain cause I'm only 19 so I've only voted twice so our government isn't my fault. I did my best to keep it from getting any worse, but I'm only one vote.

On another note, I'm pretty sure CARB stands for Completely Arrogant Retarded Bureucrats but I'm not exactly sure...

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Report this Post11-23-2003 03:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for OrvilleSend a Private Message to OrvilleDirect Link to This Post
Nice thing about the forum: when I'm here I realize that I'm not all
alone in the world after all.

Orville

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