This is not the AASP GT40 kit. This body is a Mark I and it's ALL the correct dimensions.
The Fiero wheelbase and the Mark I wheelbase are almost identical, so this Fiero chassis has not been stretched. The roofline, doors rockers are identical to the real GT40 Mark I.
Don't worry about the exhaust, it will be in the right place when we are done & it'll have a V-8.
Take a look at the roof, the doors extend up into the roof and open just like the original GT40.
Archie
Archie,
I didn't notice the doors! Thanks for pointing that out.
See? I stand happily corrected Can't wait to see it done now...
Andrew
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08:27 PM
FieroMonkey Member
Posts: 3294 From: poway,CA,USA Registered: Nov 2002
the opal looks nothing like Archies, or any other GT40. unless you take into acount that they have 4 tires, 2 doors, windshield, and a steering wheel. And if you are drawing comparisons to design, i think it is closer to a corvette or early 240z. but i only think that when i smoke crack too
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that looks so sweet!!! although I thought the mk1 had a single hood vent and the mk2 had the split version vents.
I don't think I'm an expert on the GT40 but I am a life long fan of them.
Real GT40's are quite rare but there are a lot of pictures out there. I've don't think I've ever seen 2 GT40's with exactly the same nose treatment. Then the teams that raced the cars also modified the noses on their cars to reflect what they thought was necessary for a certain race event. Like that #10 car on the previous page.... take a close look at the headlights and you can see the outline of the actual opening.
I hesitated to show you all the front view of our in process car as it was sure to stir up this debate because it doesn't have the LeMans style scoops in it like the later Marks had.
Suffice to say that the car pictured is the one we are working with right now, we will get into the other noses etc. when the time is right. But for now, like it or not, this is what we are working with because these are the molds we have.
This is a dimensionally correct body that was taken off of an actual car. So far we have it hinged, latched & mounted without modifying the body itself. The AASP F-40 kit modified the GT40 body to fit the Fiero chassis. In our case we modified the chassis to fit the body so that the body contour, shape & size remained true to the original design.
Archie Your last reply seems to indicate that there was some chassis modification reguired to fit the body kit. Is this correct? and if so How extensive are the modifications? Allong another vein I am the type that likes a balanced handling car. When finished I would be interested in the total wheight of the car and corner weights. Oh and by the way this is the first body kit for the fiero I have seen that does not make the fiero look FAT and I mean FAT not PHAT. Very noce car and I look forward to the completed product. Jon Steckelberg
I hesitated to show you all the front view of our in process car as it was sure to stir up this debate because it doesn't have the LeMans style scoops in it like the later Marks had.
Archie
Yeah so ..incorporate some "new" Lemans style scoops into the car. so it WILL look more like a leMans. ok bottom line make more scoops then it will be orginal.
or not....heh heh
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Archie Your last reply seems to indicate that there was some chassis modification reguired to fit the body kit. Is this correct? and if so How extensive are the modifications? Allong another vein I am the type that likes a balanced handling car. When finished I would be interested in the total wheight of the car and corner weights. Oh and by the way this is the first body kit for the fiero I have seen that does not make the fiero look FAT and I mean FAT not PHAT. Very noce car and I look forward to the completed product. Jon Steckelberg
You are exactly right, there are extensive chassis mods to make the body fit down over the Fiero Chassis just right. For example the whole Fiero "Greenhouse" was removed, about 4" of the top of the cowl area was removed, the upper frame rails (behind where the original rear window was & in front of the shock tower) were removed. A new roof roll cage has been constructed that re-stiffens the chassis and new big frame rails were added just below the new (higher) GT40 door sills & a new upper frame rail was designed. The whole trunk area aft of the rear engine compartment bulkhead was removed. Most of the Fiero chassis (except radiator mounting) were removed.
I'm sure the car will be considerably lighter than the original Fiero, I'd say about 600lbs lighter. However we are a long way away from being to the point where we will be taking final weight measurements. Right now final weight and weight distribution are not factors we care about. In other words, even if I knew right now what the exact weight distribution would be, it would not alter the course of completion we will be taking.
AS far as how much work it will take to mount the body, let me tell you that IMHO the chassis work and skill needed are about the same as most of the non-stretched Lambo kits require. Again IMHO people that have no experience mounting a Lambo body have no business attempting a project like this or like a Lambo. There are way too many ways a "Rookie" can screw these types of builds up. The worst thing that can happen to a Vendor of a complicated project like this (or a Lambo) can do is to sell a kit to a customer who has no clue what it takes to complete it properly. Most everything I sell has been refined to the point where even people with low skill levels can build them correctly. Things like my V-8 kits, Fino, Finale & F-40 kits have been refined to the point that my customers have a very high completion rate. I'm not going to do anything to ruin that completion ratio. So for now, when this project is ready to market, we will only be selling it as a "roller" where we do all the tough stuff in house.
I hope this helps to explain the situation.
Archie
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10:23 AM
Smoooooth GT Member
Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Yeah so ..incorporate some "new" Lemans style scoops into the car. so it WILL look more like a leMans. ok bottom line make more scoops then it will be orginal.
or not....heh heh
Well, since you are the "ScoopMaster"...LOL Why don't you whip him up a set of them there scoop's you mentioned and ship them to him.. haha Just kidding Kevin, you just get that 3800SC off the garage floor and fit it in you GT!!! Please.....
Archie, Hey has anyone ever told you that you do pretty good work for an old guy???
Smooth!!
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10:32 AM
Smoooooth GT Member
Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Archie, It's me again...lol Is it me or is the roof 'sloping' toward the rear-end part of the roof?? Maybe it's just the way the rear clip is made... hard to tell without actually seeing the piece's in front of me.... Thank's for sharing this with the rest of us!!
Smooth!!
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Thanks for the reply Archie that is kinda what I thought but wanted to make sure. I do have a question about the front of the body. In the pics you posted is there still a chin piece missing? This is a very exciting project and I am waiting with much anticipation future installments. I hope that everone will respect what you are doing and not start a flame war on this thread. If they try please ignore them and continue as I am really enjoying this thread. Thanks and Good LUCK. Jon Steckelberg
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11:06 AM
MrPBody Member
Posts: 1787 From: Decatur, GA, USA Registered: Oct 2000
I love the lines and the dimensions as far as I know it looks correct to the real thing. this is the best looking GT40 kit I have ever seen (besides the ERA kit but at $75,000 turn key i would be afraid to drive it). I think you are going to stir up the kit car scene for a long time to come. I still can't believe that you got it to fit on the Fiero B/C it seems the Fiero is a much smaller car. I am so thrilled that you are doing this, the Gt40 is my favorite car. Now if you can shoe horn a 428 SCJ in it. J/K
For the ppl who need gt40 pics, here are a few from the ones I have collected off the net. MK I MK II production car MK IV New GT40 clay molding New GT40 (limited production) estimated cost $250,000 Pisa Kit (notice that the dimensions are way off compared to the kit Archie is building, but for a do it yourself kit I recommend it)
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04:36 AM
LT-5Fiero Member
Posts: 336 From: Charlotte, NC Registered: Oct 2002
Actually the new GT, no longer called the GT40 (They lost the rights to the name), is only going to be $130,000.
i was just going to say that. Ford never copyrighted the name! And they didnt want to pay a few million to gtit back so its just the new FordGT
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Drive it like you stole it...nice and slow so you dont get your @$$ caught by the cops
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LT-5Fiero Member
Posts: 336 From: Charlotte, NC Registered: Oct 2002
i was just going to say that. Ford never copyrighted the name! And they didnt want to pay a few million to gtit back so its just the new FordGT
Was more than a few million.. the current holder decided to be funny and ask for 40 million dollars. Instead Ford offered him I think two new GTs and some money on top of that, but he wanted the 40 million flat out.
Besides in the 1960s it was originally named the Ford GT, it earned the 40 later, being nicknamed for it's heigt of 40 inches.
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03:32 PM
atarian Member
Posts: 970 From: Spring, Tx. USA Registered: Aug 2001
Where is the info on the PISA kit. I thought that business was sold. And there is an ASAP kit. Are these bolt on kits.
I called them and I had an information packet in about a week.
ASPP Inc. 740 W. Main Street, Superior, AZ 85273, USA Tel : 520 689 0100 Contact : Model : ASPP Mk.1 & ASPP Mk.2 Price : Re-Body kits from $6,998 Conversion Kits for the Fiero.
Time to start saving my money because I want I want I want This kit will look soooooo sweet and defantly be a head turner. I wish I had archies skills. One day I might im still young and learning as much as I can.
This is my favorite looking body kit in my opinion.
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09:35 AM
litespd Member
Posts: 8128 From: No where you want to be Registered: Aug 99
I don't think I'm an expert on the GT40 but I am a life long fan of them.
Real GT40's are quite rare but there are a lot of pictures out there. I've don't think I've ever seen 2 GT40's with exactly the same nose treatment. Then the teams that raced the cars also modified the noses on their cars to reflect what they thought was necessary for a certain race event. Like that #10 car on the previous page.... take a close look at the headlights and you can see the outline of the actual opening.
As I said before, modifying the Fiero Chassis to fit a correct sized GT40 is what we are trying to do here.
Between all the other stuff there is to do, we've been working on refining the chassis mods and making tooling to duplicate those mods on the next one.
Can't wait to see it done now...
bump to top! Any new pic's Archie??
