Here is a thread that will list out all the different stats for year/model of the Fiero. This is just where people can get to know more things about the Fiero. We want some more people to be like "Hey, thats cool, I didnt know that"
I will start this off with the years and facts/stats for that year.
1984 -first model year of Fiero(production actually started in 1983 but was called a 1984 model. -140,000 Fieros sold that year, most of any year for the Fiero. -Only year of the Indy Fiero -Colors available were only: Red, Silver, White and Black -Red was most popular seller -only year that had a vent in middle of decklid
1985 -first year for the GT -first year for the V6 -first year of SE 2M6 -Silver color was introduced -SE V6 was said to be the fastest Fiero built
1986 -the fastback GT was introduced -first year for 5 speed transmission in V6 -only year that the 4 speed and 5 speeds were in the GT -SE's recieved the aero ground effects(same body style as '85 GT)
1987 -only year for Blue color -newly restyled front and rear bumpers for coupe -4 cyls now recieved 98hp instead of 92hp -rarest year for SE Fieros
1988 -new suspension -only year for T-tops -only year for Formula -only year for Yellow -no more two tone body trim color on GTs -no more SE 2M6s
1984-1985, all Fieros had built in head rest speakers
1984-1987, only years of SE Fieros
1986-1988, only years for fastback GTs
Now it is your turn to correct my facts that may be wrong and ad more facts. Anything you know about the Fiero. This will help everyone determine a Fiero by year.
(please award me a positive if I have helped contribute)
Don't mean to nit pick but the 87 & 88 coupe rear facias are different. In 88 they changed the mold for the formula dual exhaust so all 88 coupes have two exhaust openings in the back end. The 87 only has one.
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
1986 Gold was added as a color. Third brake light added. Premium sound subwoofer added 1987 Medium metallic red was added. Larger gas tank added 1988 Gold was removed as a color. New brakes (vented rotors)
Actually September is always the start of new model years. They Generally start building the next year vehicles in August to have them ready for sale for September. The first Fiero to be sold was on September 13 1983.
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AuNROD Member
Posts: 186 From: westerville, oh, usa Registered: Jul 2001
87-88 were the only year for 4 cylinders to have harmonic balancers, a new intake manifold a serpentine single belt drive pulley system, coil packs (instead of a distributor and selenoid), and they had roller lifters, but engines started comming out with rollers sice 86' and,on 88 (my car year) they had a crankshaft driven oil pump that has the oil filter inside the oil pan (internal oil filter) and dont forget about the front and rear sway bars for 88 and also the rack and pinion steering is much better than pre-88's and is a whole lot more easy to turn the wheel without having to move the car. 88 was the only year they had different tire rims for gt's and formulas, the front rims were a bit smaller than the rear, and 88 was also the first and only year to a choice of wheel colors, it was red, and black.For 88 V6's the engine had an internally balanced crank as for pre-88s they had an externally balanced crank.
Those are all i can tink of, please feel free to correct me if im wrong, but otherwise these are 100% facts for fiero.
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furious_fiero Member
Posts: 3028 From: Surrey,BC,CANADA Registered: Mar 2002
"Remember the Fiero, which still holds the sports car annual sales record? Production started with the 1984 model, and 93,000 were sold that year and 90,000 more in 1985. Sales steadily declined--down to 42,000 in 1987--and GM stopped production in 1988.
Just compare that 42,000 (let alone the 90,000) to today's sports cars"
I think the whole dropping sales of the fiero was BS every 2 seater at the time was lagging sales, and even today the corvette just sells over 30,000.
"Remember the Fiero, which still holds the sports car annual sales record? Production started with the 1984 model, and 93,000 were sold that year and 90,000 more in 1985. Sales steadily declined--down to 42,000 in 1987--and GM stopped production in 1988.
Just compare that 42,000 (let alone the 90,000) to today's sports cars"
I think the whole dropping sales of the fiero was BS every 2 seater at the time was lagging sales, and even today the corvette just sells over 30,000.
They sold more than 93,000 in 84, according to the production list I have. I don't have it here, but I'll put it up when I get home from work, unless I can remember Paul's website first, 'cuz I know he had it up there.
EDIT: Found the link. Here's what I've got for production numbers, I have no idea where this list came from, but I've had it for a while. Somebody yell at me if this info is way off base.
by color...... 65684 bright red 27368 black 34211 white 9579 silver
by options......(all in %'s) 4 speed-56.7% auto-43.3% alloy wheels-78% air cond-79.3% tinted glass-94.1% power windows-45.3% power locks-30.4% tilt-87.6% cruise-40.3% sunroof-50.2% radio-31.8% cassette-42.6%
original selling price...... base-$7999 sc-$8499 se-$9599
Someone said 84 was the only year for a 4spd 4cyl. Correct but not all were 4:10. The base model had 3:32. 2m6 was dropped in 86 I believe, not 87. 88 Forumal is the fastest Fiero. 85 SE is not SEs have option which add weight, 88 Formula can be had stripped. I think someone said Gold for 86. Curious has anyone seen a gold one that was not an 86, I havent. 87 v-6 got the DIS system. 88 no SE at all, not just v-6. It was replaced by Formula. 86 first year GT got the snowflake wheels.
Someone said 84 was the only year for a 4spd 4cyl. Correct but not all were 4:10. The base model had 3:32. 2m6 was dropped in 86 I believe, not 87. 88 Forumal is the fastest Fiero. 85 SE is not SEs have option which add weight, 88 Formula can be had stripped. I think someone said Gold for 86. Curious has anyone seen a gold one that was not an 86, I havent. 87 v-6 got the DIS system. 88 no SE at all, not just v-6. It was replaced by Formula. 86 first year GT got the snowflake wheels.
Thats all I can think of.
gold was also avab in 87 2m4 OR 2m6 was still avab in 87 because in 87 you could get a se 4cy, which would be a 2m4 then you could ALSO get a Coupe, 87se's tend to be on the rare side expecially the 4 cyl's
gold was also avab in 87 2m4 OR 2m6 was still avab in 87 because in 87 you could get a se 4cy, which would be a 2m4 then you could ALSO get a Coupe, 87se's tend to be on the rare side expecially the 4 cyl's
I was not refering to the engines available. I was however speaking about the 2mX badging. It was no longer availabla in the year 87. 86 was the final year for this.
Naskie... you have the same info I have. (give or take a few). My info is from the 4th Quarter 1997 issue of FIERO OWNER. ( the official publication of the "Fiero Owners Club of America"). Wish I knew how to copy/paste on here. It has a lot of info.... Break down of totals, colors with paint numbers, etc. One very interesting fact. In 1987 only 2 Red (#71) Fieros were built! 87 was the year they introduced Med. Red (#77). In 88, they offered both Red (#71), 10,238 built and Med. Red (#77), 2,729 built. The only new car I have ever owned was a 1984 Red Fiero that I ordered in October of 83. I didn't get the car till March of 84. 5 Months wait! The price was $10,156.00. It was almost impossible to get a discount on the car, but I got it for 3% over dealer invoice from Marsh Pontiac in PA. Kevin
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furious_fiero Member
Posts: 3028 From: Surrey,BC,CANADA Registered: Mar 2002
I was not refering to the engines available. I was however speaking about the 2mX badging. It was no longer availabla in the year 87. 86 was the final year for this.
87-88 were the only year for 4 cylinders to have harmonic balancers, a new intake manifold a serpentine single belt drive pulley system, coil packs (instead of a distributor and selenoid), and they had roller lifters, but engines started comming out with rollers sice 86' and,on 88 (my car year) they had a crankshaft driven oil pump that has the oil filter inside the oil pan (internal oil filter) and dont forget about the front and rear sway bars for 88 and also the rack and pinion steering is much better than pre-88's and is a whole lot more easy to turn the wheel without having to move the car. 88 was the only year they had different tire rims for gt's and formulas, the front rims were a bit smaller than the rear, and 88 was also the first and only year to a choice of wheel colors, it was red, and black.For 88 V6's the engine had an internally balanced crank as for pre-88s they had an externally balanced crank.
Those are all i can tink of, please feel free to correct me if im wrong, but otherwise these are 100% facts for fiero.
all year fieros had rack and pinion steering as far as I remember. All the ones I've had(2 84s, 85, 87, and 88) all have had it.
the formula was NEVER the fastest stock fiero, Even though you could get it stripped down with hardly any options the 85SE v6 4 speed was still faster due to its transmission, the muncie 5 speed is prefered by most, but the muncie 4 speed was the faster production transmission, plus the v6 in 88 was reduced to 135HP over the 140HP that the 85SE had.
BTW i own a gold 87GT (now its white though) there were 4119 cars produced in 1987 that were gold.
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Steve Normington Member
Posts: 7663 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Apr 2001
Someone said 84 was the only year for a 4spd 4cyl. Correct but not all were 4:10. The base model had 3:32. 2m6 was dropped in 86 I believe, not 87. 88 Forumal is the fastest Fiero. 85 SE is not SEs have option which add weight, 88 Formula can be had stripped. I think someone said Gold for 86. Curious has anyone seen a gold one that was not an 86, I havent. 87 v-6 got the DIS system. 88 no SE at all, not just v-6. It was replaced by Formula. 86 first year GT got the snowflake wheels.
Thats all I can think of.
It is considered the fastest Fiero because it weighs 2575lbs and the Formula weigh's 2750lbs. There is no "add weight" option. The 85 GT suspension and V-6 were the only additions to the 85 SE. The rest was your basic coupe. Haze had an 87 SE that was gold and had the 2M6 badging on the decklid. The V-6 never had DIS ignition in a Fiero.
Here is another option I just thought of: The extra gauges on top of the radio pod was first started in 1986.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27103 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by ls3mach: . I think someone said Gold for 86. Curious has anyone seen a gold one that was not an 86, I havent. 87 v-6 got the DIS system. 88
I had a gold 87GT.
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GTFiero1 Member
Posts: 6508 From: Camden County NJ Registered: Sep 2001
the formula was NEVER the fastest stock fiero, Even though you could get it stripped down with hardly any options the 85SE v6 4 speed was still faster due to its transmission, the muncie 5 speed is prefered by most, but the muncie 4 speed was the faster production transmission, plus the v6 in 88 was reduced to 135HP over the 140HP that the 85SE had.
BTW i own a gold 87GT (now its white though) there were 4119 cars produced in 1987 that were gold.
matthew
I think the 5 getrags are higher top speed cars and will top out faster than the 4 speeds, but 4 speeds may run a 1/4 mile quicker than a 5 speed
BTW there is NO POWER DIFFERENCE in the v6 all years are the same motor, same cam, and same heads, same intake,[only outside sticker or cast letters changed] and ext, ect only real change is the 88 balance weight, and how GM rated RPM, that the power is taken, is the only difference the rated power was 140hp in my 88's owners manual
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weldon Member
Posts: 74 From: Spokane Wa. U.S.A. Registered: Aug 2003
It is considered the fastest Fiero because it weighs 2575lbs and the Formula weigh's 2750lbs. There is no "add weight" option. The 85 GT suspension and V-6 were the only additions to the 85 SE. The rest was your basic coupe.
I agree with Oreif here completely. It's an old wives tale that the V6 SE was faster because of the 4-speed. The Getrag is a more difficult trans then the 4-speed and people have an easier time driving it thus it often appears to be faster. Speaking technically; the Getrag is superior with lower gears (better for drag racing), the gears have a better spread (better for everything), and it has that extra gear for better top end. This means that all around it is a better trans and would make the car faster if you can shift it fast. Now, the 88's did add weight so it's certainly possible that the 85 SE is lighter in some cases but, as previously mentioned, the formula could be ordered pretty stripped. On most guides the formula is shown as very light and in all the tests i have seen the form has shown the best 1/4 mile time of 15.7 stock. That's a new car not broken in. The 85 SE is at least as light as the formula and there has always been that rumor that the 85 computers are more agressive but nobody's ever proven that. In my humble opinion, especially having owned both, it would come down to the drivers skills i think on which was faster but i, at this time, would give the edge to the formula. Mainly because of the trans. I doubt there's much difference in weight if any and that would depend on options. If either is lighter i'm sure it would be the SE though. But by how much is the question? It would take a fairly significant ammount to overcome that gear advantage that the getrag has.
I was not saying there was gold no other year. I have just never seen one. Next I forgot about the 4 spds in the 85 GT my bad. Also the 85 model cars did not have 5 more horsepower. Well not really. The 85 was measured at 5200 RPM. The ones that have 135 HP were measured at 4500. The 2mX badging thing was just what I have read on many different guides sorry for the misinformation.
my 85 2M4 doesnt. Maybe canadian ones had to have them then.
My 85 has a 3rd brake light. [/QUOTE]
Yeah see, you can even see it in the picture in my signature below.
Think anyone can clarify this? Is this a Canadian thing like the rear defrost option (almost ALL would have it cause we beed it, but would have still been optional) or what?
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twinfieros Member
Posts: 183 From: Saskatoon, Sk. Canada Registered: May 2003
this third brake light issue is a good question, because i also have heard that they were not introduced until 86. i dont know if this is a canadian fiero issue because i know of many a canadian 85gt (speedo in km/h..i dont know where they were actually made) but sloth85gt obviously does have one...is he the only one?? anyone else out there?
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RRobinson Member
Posts: 398 From: Calgary, Alberta Registered: Dec 2000
No, no 85 Fiero (US or Canadian) had a CHMSL (Center High Mounted Stop Lamp) from the factory. You must have an aftermarket one.
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furious_fiero Member
Posts: 3028 From: Surrey,BC,CANADA Registered: Mar 2002
Furious, you have a conflict between '84 and '85 you said silver was available in '84 but you say silver was introduced in '85. Fieros were originally produced in red and white only. Black and silver were added later in the '84 model year. Apparently, the paint shop could only handle 4 colours and they started out with only 2.
As for the 2M4 issue, I had an '87 coupe and the decklid badge just said Fiero.
Edit: I also have the '87 dealer brochure with a rear view of the coupe and it just shows Fiero as the decklid badge. Another Canadian thing?
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Nov 4th, 2003
ben3843100 Member
Posts: 43 From: Duluth, MN USA Registered: Oct 2003
Hey this is a good topic! I have a few things to add, some may have been stated already.
Gold was available in 1986 and 1987. I have owned two gold '86 Fieros. One an SE, one a base coupe. My cousin has a factory stock '87 GT that is gold with 52,000 thousand miles on it.
Bright red was not available as a factory exterior color in '87, but came back in '88.
The two wheel color choices were black, which was standard on formulas and GTs, and gold, which I believe was optional only on GTs in '88. All other years that lace wheels were available on Fieros were grey colored. Here's a question I've wondered for awhile though, was there a light grey and a dark grey wheel color? I could swear I've seen two shades of grey. Maybe just an owner repaint though...
Also unique to '84 Fieros is the way the door skin mounts. I don't believe they will mount to the '85 - 88 steel door frame. You would have to use both door frame and skin and frame if installing an '84 door onto a later car of vice versa.
'84 Fieros used solid (cast aluminum?) side covers and a magnesium center cover directly over the engine.
There were a number of small suspension changes made between '84 - '86 to improve suspension geometry. I can look these up if needed.
In '86, the SE received the GT body style, but all of the lower ground effects were black instead of silver no matter what the upper body color was. (someone verify this)
In '88, the usual light tan Fiero interior used in previous years was changed to a slightly darker shade and named dark saddle.
'88 was the only year for a "factory optioned" t-top fiero, but you could get them installed in any year Fiero through a Cars and Concepts authorized dealer. Cars and Concepts in Brighton Mich. performed the conversion for all factory-optioned '88 t-top cars.
All '88 Fiero included the redesigned front and rear suspension, but only the GTs and Formula's received a rear sway bar and it's associated mounting hardware. The shock valving and spring rates were also different on the '88 Fieros, as well as the steering rack ratio. The front frames were seriously different from all previous years, and the parts will not interchanged easily. The brakes are also totally different, as is the rear '88 cradle, suspension, brake cable routing, and exhaust.
Another change that no one has mentioned is that sometime between 85-86, they stopped using the black power windows switches in Fieros, and went to light grey. The map pockets also changed, and the color of the buttons on the heater controls did as well. Not sure the exact time frame of these changes though.
I also don't believe the aluminum 14-inch wheels were an option on '88 cars. I believe all '88s that were not Formulas or GTs had aluminum 14-inch wheels.
There was a change in the windshield washer fluid container size at some point also. I believe some of the early cars had smaller resevoirs.
The wing was optional on all cars except the '88 Formula and the '84 Indy. People always try and tell me the Wing was standard on all GTs.
The offset and width of the '88 GT wheels was changed to account for the wider track of the newly redesigned (not by Lotus I hate when people say that.) front suspension. Both the upper and lower A-arms are longer than previous Fieros.
Fieros factory equipped with wings used stronger springs to offset the weight of the decklid with wing installed.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head that hasn't already been said. I have a lot of old documentation and Fiero articles that I could scan in if I get time. A lot of them are probably already posted out there somewhere I bet though.
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furious_fiero Member
Posts: 3028 From: Surrey,BC,CANADA Registered: Mar 2002
Speaking technically; the Getrag is superior with lower gears (better for drag racing), the gears have a better spread (better for everything), and it has that extra gear for better top end. This means that all around it is a better trans and would make the car faster if you can shift it fast.
Do a simulation with the same car but a 4.10 4 spd VS a getrag 5 spd. You'll find the 4.10 is half a second faster in the quarter.
FURIOUS FIERO 
I hate when people say that.) front suspension. Both the upper and lower A-arms are longer than previous Fieros.
