The original file in this thread was taken from my car before I bought it. Nico put the microphone in the engine bay and recorded it. Its a 91 cutlass DOHC 5 speed. I took another one from inside the car with my single muffler flowmaster setup before I put the car away for the winter.
Our experiences and our opinions differ. No problem; we can agree to disagree. However, please don't take the position that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.
I may not own a Fiero, but I do have the DOHC in my Lumina. You guys actually might be talking about my car earlier in this thread, I'm not too sure how many Lumina dyno videos are floating around. Incase anyone wants to see it, here is my video: http://www.dykz34.com/other/Dave%20dyno%20sm.mov Remember that it's in Quicktime format. The #'s during the video are wrong, the car made 179/173 the first pull, then 177/172 the 2nd pull, and the 3rd one was 175/172. The first pull I took the car to about 6k, the second pull was about to 6.5k, and the 3rd pull was all the way up to 6800. (Mind you it's an auto) FYI: the last pull, when I backed off, the wheels were spinning at 139mph!
Dave PS: The video is 9.6mb.
EDIT: My exhaust is stock piping w/ glasspacks in the video (I've changed it since then though).
nope not the one i have but VERY SWEET. thanks for the clip..
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Will Member
Posts: 14250 From: Where you least expect me Registered: Jun 2000
Are you getting cams and/or springs from CHRfab? What's your revlimiter at now?
6400 now. I'll eventually get cams and springs. I'll get the springs first, the muck around with redrilling stock sprockets for a while, then go to a heads/cams package. I'm trying to figure out how to work the springs into the March overhaul.
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Originally posted by Black88GT:
Hey Will you gotta give me a test drive before you move.
We'll see about it sometime in April after I get my car back.
------------------ '87 Fiero GT: Low, Sleek, Fast, and Loud '90 Pontiac 6000 SE AWD: None of the Above
Yup, that 0to70.wav file is of the cutlass, not a fiero. Nico is the one that did it though, not myself. You can tell from mine in comparison that nico shifts faster and launched it better. I am still new to a 5 speed. I also went to 7150, which he couldn't cause of the stock chip.
Yup, that 0to70.wav file is of the cutlass, not a fiero. Nico is the one that did it though, not myself. You can tell from mine in comparison that nico shifts faster and launched it better. I am still new to a 5 speed. I also went to 7150, which he couldn't cause of the stock chip.
OK, I'm reading the above, then I'm reading the below...and I'm just confused. Wanna help me out, DKOV or Ben?
Oh...and personally, I feel that the reason this clip sounds so "unique", regardless of WHO's it is (though the mic being on the master cylinder would explain things a bit...) is because we're hearing the INTAKE more strongly than the EXHAUST...and if I had to make another guess about things, I'd say that Ben/Nico, or DKOV (whichever one is telling the truth), is running a CAI of some sort with a K&N (or the like) open element.
One of ya chime in, and let me know if I'm right.
And, regardless of ANY of the above, or below....listening to it *does* send shivers down my spine, and make me giddy...
Jeremy B.
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I do... send it to me
As for all this talk about it NOT being a 3.4L DOHC... C'Mon guys. You've GOT to be kidding me.
Are you really that sure it's NOT a 3.4L TDC/DOHC motor? Are you willing to put your "ear" and reputations on the line? Are you really prepared to call me a liar?
So I post vids and sounds of my car and there are people that are prepared to say that it is a Ferrari motor they are hearing?
This is just so funny... I have to laugh.
No ill will or feelings here... just humor. Really. Nobody take this as an attack, but don't be silly.
These are 3.4L TDC/DOHC motors and they ARE sweet.
It's just that you folks with 2.5s, 2.8s, 3.8s, even you V8s are living your lives below 5000 rpms... Sounds like this only come at 7000 or more
It's the very reason why a Twin Dual Cam Ferrari, yes a 3.5 L V8 (pretty small if you think about it) revving around 7500 sounds very similar to a Twin Dual Cam 3.4L revving at about 7500.
In fact, it's strange just how similar these motors REALLY are in design. They have 5 valves that are a little smaller than the 4 valves in the 3.4L TDC, both have four cams and both offer high revs and the song that comes with that.
MY car had been "enlarged" and now features 3.5L displacement, the SAME as a Ferrari motor, with 2 less cylinders.
Apparently, from what I am hearing, the 3.4L TDC/DOHC motor might just be the best kept secret in the automotive world. Ridiculed by those that don't know better and believed by those that have no reference. It's sad though... I think everyone should have one
Incidentally, those vids were all taken after I blew the synchros in 1st and 2nd gears so I'm only running about 4500 rpms in them. Even so, you can hear just how much MORE the motor has. I'll post some new ones once I get the Turbo completed. THEN you'll hear some SERIOUS revs!!! I build the motor to take 9500 prms this time around, although I'll never use it.
Let's hear some other folk's 3.4L TDCs and DOHCs. That way, it's not just about ME and my word.
Best,
DKOV -
EDIT - Forgot to mention that I had a REAL F355 Muffler on the car too
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DKOV Member
Posts: 1564 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Mar 2001
The 0 - 70 wav file is a 1991 3.4L TDC. The sound files and vids I posted of my car are also a 3.4L TDC. No difference excpet the car they are in. My engine was in a Fiero when the clips were taken. I had no idea what car that 3.4L TDC was in when the clip was recorded, only that it was a 3.4L TDC as was reported to me by the individual that sent it to me. I asumed it was in a Fiero. Even so, the chassis it's riding it makes no difference. It's still the same motor and it sounds GREAT.
I'm sorry if there was any confusion and an understanding that the first clip that was posted was physically of my motor when the point was that it was my motor. The other sound clips, test1 and test2, and the video clips and a few other clips are physcially my engine and were recoreded both with the F355 muffler and some with the Monza kit. Now that I re-read the posts here, I can see how that may have come across that way. I should have caught that.
Anyway, the point remains... It sounds GREAT. They all do. The Dyno clips, the road clips, etc. I think recording IN the engine bay was really smart and gives us the BEST representation of the potential of that motor.
Maybe the next time, I'll stick the mic right on the rear bumper!!!! That should sound good
The original was with a K&N cone filter and thats just about it. The one that I did was with cam timing change, ported heads, somewhat tuned chip,K&N drop in filter, 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust and a flowmaster 40 series.
I'm sorry if there was any confusion and an understanding that the first clip that was posted was physically of my motor when the point was that it was my motor. The other sound clips, test1 and test2, and the video clips and a few other clips are physcially my engine and were recoreded both with the F355 muffler and some with the Monza kit. Now that I re-read the posts here, I can see how that may have come across that way. I should have caught that.
Um, yeah.
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iwanna3.4dohc Member
Posts: 524 From: reynoldsburg, ohio, usofa Registered: Aug 2002
So DKOV, did my exhaust on your engine ever sound like a Ferrari? All I could hear was exhaust from outside the car on the Mt. Hood run. I'm not complaining, just curious.
------------------ Alan Frazier '86 GT-'92 3.4 TDC 5 speed(for sale) '84 2m4 daily driver '88 Silver coupe, auto For Sale
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iwanna3.4dohc Member
Posts: 524 From: reynoldsburg, ohio, usofa Registered: Aug 2002
well guys, its official, i went out and bought a 3.8sc today. oops. i did want this engine real bad, but when you find a 3.8 with 32,000 miles on it with wiring harness and ecm for 600 dollars, its kinda hard to turn down. im supposed to pick it up this weekend!
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Unsafe At Any Speed Member
Posts: 2299 From: Cheyenne, WY Registered: Feb 2003
well guys, its official, i went out and bought a 3.8sc today. oops. i did want this engine real bad, but when you find a 3.8 with 32,000 miles on it with wiring harness and ecm for 600 dollars, its kinda hard to turn down. im supposed to pick it up this weekend!
Off-Topic- You have any new pics of your car?
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iwanna3.4dohc Member
Posts: 524 From: reynoldsburg, ohio, usofa Registered: Aug 2002
Sorry, no new pics yet. im gonna post some pics of the 3.8 swap/build up, then after i get that done i will go out and do another photoshoot. i really cant wait till summer
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DKOV Member
Posts: 1564 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Mar 2001
So DKOV, did my exhaust on your engine ever sound like a Ferrari? All I could hear was exhaust from outside the car on the Mt. Hood run. I'm not complaining, just curious.
When it was above 5500 rpms I'd say so. When you saw my car, was when I really couldn't run it that hard becuase of the bad tranny so I kept it below 4500 most of the time. Also, that exhaust was pretty wide open and only about 20 inches long. Not CAT and nearly no muffler at all.
After that Mt Hood run... I was nearly deaf
You'll have to come and here the new setup with the Turbo AND the F355 Muffler here in a bit. That'll be pretty sweet
