In the pics are a set of front & rear adapter brakets for converting to 13" brakes. The pics do not show the eccentric rings that are included in the kit. Also not shown are the milled aluminum adapters if you are going to use an e-brake. The rear brackets shown are set up for a Wilwood spot caliper as an E-brake. You will need these pieces to adapt the spot calipers around the thickness of the 13" rotor.

The kit is designed for use with a 13" Corvette Grand Sport rotor, 98 & newer F-body calipers ( 4 fronts ) and a Wilwood spot caliper.

Total kit cost with e-brake parts will be in the $550 range
Cost without e-brake parts will be in the $450 range
this may go down if enough production is shipped or ordered.

WARNING................WHEN USING STOCK SUSPESION THIS WILL REQUIRE MODIFYING THE FRONT SHOCK MOUNT FURTHER UP THE CONTROL ARM WHEN USING F-BODY CALIPERS you may research using a different caliper to get the clearance with out the mod, or I can modify a set of control arms for you

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is this just for the 88's, or for 84-87

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Gold 86 Fiero GT
Future plans: Not to start on fire!

When you say a kit do you mean the rotors and brackets or just the brackets? if it is just the brackets isn't it pricey in light of bubbajoexx releasing the information on the 12"corvette conversion set up that can be a DIY for less than $200.

quote Originally posted by Master Tuner Akimoto: When you say a kit do you mean the rotors and brackets or just the brackets? if it is just the brackets isn't it pricey in light of bubbajoexx releasing the information on the 12"corvette conversion set up that can be a DIY for less than $200.

GOLDEN : These are set up for 84-87

M.T.A. the trouble I'm having isthe machining expense in the eccentric rings & e-brake adapters. Like I was saying I will research this more to see if I can cut machining costs, but this is for the set of front brackets, rear brackets, 4 eccentric rings, & installation hardware.

Any chance you could give me a link to that info ????? and are'nt they for 88's ?????

P.S. Cross drilled & slotted 13"s are $110 each @ shop cost !!!!!! that's $440 for rotor's alone.

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quote Originally posted by bubbajoexxx: newest parts to be added Large 12 inch brakes from an 85 Corvette and its is the easest brake swap any one can do if you have a drill press these pieces are all you need to do the swap 2 consentric rings for the rotors to keep them centered and 2 1X4.5x2.5 piece of 7/8 inch mild steel for the coliper adapter

page 8 on this thread shows the 12" corvette brake conversion.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/033676.html

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COOL! Now I just needa make my car fast so i can test them

James Z

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So ok, for 450 USD i get EVERYTHING I need for 12" brakes?

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Odd, those rear brackets look remarkable similar to what Ryane/Held did for their 13" kit. Course, its not like there is too many ways to make something that works without using the spindle bolts to hold a bracket.

quote Originally posted by 88-DOHC: Odd, those rear brackets look remarkable similar to what Ryane/Held did for their 13" kit. Course, its not like there is too many ways to make something that works without using the spindle bolts to hold a bracket.

We have never seen a set of rear brackets from Held/Ryane....

The Ryane/Held brackets are similar, but are one solid piece. I think these resemble them mainly because they use the same emergancy brake system (Wilwood) and use the 3 bearing bolts to attach the bracket to the car. In any case, this is basicly how Ryane/Held had solved how to attach the Willwood caliper and emergancy brake on their 13" brake kit.

The middle picture on here http://www.heldmotorsports.com/brake13.htm shows an early style of the bracket. The bracket I got had wider mounting tabs for the emergancy brake much like these. Again these are similar but obviously not the same.

Top this

OK .....................THANKS EVERYONE, I READ BUBBAJOE'S THREAD. THE TROUBLE IS THAT IS JUST FOR THE FRONTS. WHAT ABOUT THE REAR

Like I said before.....................$450 or less will get the FRONT & REAR setup will eccentric rings & installation hardware, you will only need to find rotors & calipers.

$550 or less will get the same full kit as above with the milled hardware for using a Wilwood spot caliper as an e-brake

$990 or less will get you the full front & rear kit with e-brake parts & CROSSDRILLED & SLOTTED 13" rotors.

$200 or less ( just like bubbajo's ) will get you FRONT ONLY brackets & eccentric rings for 13"s

$1190 or less will get you a full front & rear set-up with 4 crossdrilled & slotted rotors & 4 F-body calipers.

eccentric rings = concentric rings, right, or am I missing something big

Who needs rear brakes? Tthen you can't burn out as well.
Nice work PURPLE REIGN.

I'm guessing these won't fit under the stock 84 14" High Tech Rims? What IS the biggest brake kit that will fit under the 14" rims anyway?

cost for 12 inch brakes as I payed is
12" rotors 20.00 Can$ each
calipers 35.00 US EBay
brakets 10 For the pair made my self
consentric rings 25.00 CAN$ for 4
Total 120.00 CAN$ thats 93.00 US $
now way it should cost you 200 to do the 12" swap
Also the rears are comming soon

I also have this setup on my car. NOT counting any brackets OR research OR the time for leg work if you want to find your own used parts, I've invested......

4 NEW 13" HD crossdrilled slotted rotors for a ZR1 or Grand Sport Vette SHOP cost $450 + tax
4 USED calipers (all I could afford ) 2 piston F-body $150.00 + tax
2 Wilwood spot mechanical calipers. $120.00 + shipping

with tax this is already $750.00 !!!!

This is without the spacers Custom Made for the wilwoods to use a 1.1" thick rotor
This is without the BRACKETS themselves,
This is without any Hardend bolts or other hardware.
This is without the machining labor or tool to drill out a 5x100mm pattern on the Vette rotors
Also without machining labor on brackets, and modding front shocks, or cutting off old rear mounts off the spindle, and more I can't think of right now because my brain is going 100 miles a minute.

As you can see this is not a cheap project but other companies have charged a couple thousand more for similar setups.

So I say, GO PURPLE.

just my fraction of my available 2 cents.

p.s. they look awsome behind our 19" wheels

MOBILE

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Member MN Fieros Forever
Self Installed SC3800/getrag. 10 years in Car Audio and Car Electronics Experiance........ GOT 19"s?? RIMS/TIRES FOR SALE!!! ONLY 2,000 Miles

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I think either one is a hell of a good deal. Thanks to both of you for coming up with new products, the fiero crowd is a tough one!

quote Originally posted by bubbajoexxx: cost for 12 inch brakes as I payed is 12" rotors 20.00 Can$ each calipers 35.00 US EBay brakets 10 For the pair made my self consentric rings 25.00 CAN$ for 4 Total 120.00 CAN$ thats 93.00 US $ now way it should cost you 200 to do the 12" swap Also the rears are comming soon

Once again like I said these are 12"................mine are 13" DUH.................. also the front brackets on the 13's are costing me as much as your kit. ASLO DID NOONE HEAR ME ????!!!!!!! THE PRICE IS FOR FRONT & REAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I keep getting greif over trying to develop & produce these 2 products I'll just cut bait on production and eveyone can go develop thier own 13"
kit and pay for WCF inferior junk

PURPLE REIGN
I am only posting the info required to install better brakes on to ower fieros I will not sell a kit as I feel there is no need to these parts are ready avalable for the 12 inch swap and with the pics of the brackets ever one who want to do them can with just basic tools the only thing they need to have made are the consentric rings
I'm not trying to cut your thought just give others the oppertunity to do there own as cheep as possible as rotors are cheep I dontlike getting stiffed any more than you do but WCF wants 1700 for his and I now I can do it for under 250 with all the parts and my own labour so I plan on sharing it with every one here

BUBBAJOEXXX

Purple Reign you have a PM!

Purp, I will buy a set of your adapters when i have the money for them. Im one of those people who has to have either the best or nothing, im sure 12" brakes are great, but it would never be satisfied with 12" brakes if i knew i could have 13" brakes. But i have some questions for you

What is the minimal wheel size that i can use with the 13" brakes?

What years F body calipers and rotors do i need?

Can i use the 13" brakes with my stock master cylinder and hoses?

You said something about modifiying the control arm, could you elaborate a little bit on this please?

Thank you!

I found some good info on brake upgrades here. http://www.k12.nf.ca/gc/Staff/Teachers/Crummey/fiero/brakes.htm

quote Originally posted by Matthian: Purp, I will buy a set of your adapters when i have the money for them. Im one of those people who has to have either the best or nothing, im sure 12" brakes are great, but it would never be satisfied with 12" brakes if i knew i could have 13" brakes. But i have some questions for you What is the minimal wheel size that i can use with the 13" brakes? What years F body calipers and rotors do i need? Can i use the 13" brakes with my stock master cylinder and hoses? You said something about modifiying the control arm, could you elaborate a little bit on this please? Thank you!

O.K. It is possible certain non-tapered 16's will work, eitherwise it will need to be a 17" or larger. This has been tested.

F-body calipers needed are 98 & newer from any Z-28

We have used both master's, either one will work. Mobile is using a stock Fiero master & they feel fine. I'm using a 95 & up Chev Truck master and they feel a little tighter. Both cars are using Earls S.S. lines, but I'm sure rubber would be fine but there might be a length issue.

SUSPENSION : If you are using the stock suspension the lower shock mount will need to be cut off and rewelded further up the control arm to provide clearance for the caliper in turns. Fairly easy to do, just tedius.

I was going to avoid getting involved in this thread but I now I want to.
First lets look at a few things here, bubbajoexxx set up is not for sale and on the market, he did ALL the fab work himself.
Purple Reign is offering a "KIT" for 13's not 12', lets compare apples to apples here, and he is doing this as a production for a kit. Now what that means is he is always buying material, if you get enough material for a project I can tell you there are many times you can get a deal for a one time project, but to supply quality material for a regular production, open a account my friend you will need it. Next in line Puple Reign is doing this to make money, you need to have a "x" amount of % mark up in order to make your time worth doing anything in any bussiness or you might as well give up now before you start and lose your a$$. And do not forget a very important factor here, not everyone has bubbajoexxx skills as a fab worker to do this on thier own, I have taken his CAD drawing to a few shops localy near me since I do not have his fab skils, and I am looking at $100.00 - $150.00 to have the brackets and rings made up, that includes material. I still have to then go get the calipers and rotors as well, that will drive the up pending on how I do it. I like new since I do not screw around with breaks for my car, I enjoy living too much, that should put me around $400.00 mark just for the fronts unless Iearn a few fabrication skills before I do this upgrade.
So before anyone decides to jump all over a memeber for producing something we would like to have on our cars, just remember this. It cost money to make sure it works right, who is covering that cost at first, and when they do it, which they do not have to produce it for everyone, why would they produce parts if they were not going to make a buck on it? After all it is thier time you are paying for, and they really do not have to do it in the first place.

quote Originally posted by OH10fiero: I was going to avoid getting involved in this thread but I now I want to. First lets look at a few things here, bubbajoexxx set up is not for sale and on the market, he did ALL the fab work himself. Purple Reign is offering a "KIT" for 13's not 12', lets compare apples to apples here, and he is doing this as a production for a kit. Now what that means is he is always buying material, if you get enough material for a project I can tell you there are many times you can get a deal for a one time project, but to supply quality material for a regular production, open a account my friend you will need it. Next in line Puple Reign is doing this to make money, you need to have a "x" amount of % mark up in order to make your time worth doing anything in any bussiness or you might as well give up now before you start and lose your a$$. And do not forget a very important factor here, not everyone has bubbajoexxx skills as a fab worker to do this on thier own, I have taken his CAD drawing to a few shops localy near me since I do not have his fab skils, and I am looking at $100.00 - $150.00 to have the brackets and rings made up, that includes material. I still have to then go get the calipers and rotors as well, that will drive the up pending on how I do it. I like new since I do not screw around with breaks for my car, I enjoy living too much, that should put me around $400.00 mark just for the fronts unless Iearn a few fabrication skills before I do this upgrade. So before anyone decides to jump all over a memeber for producing something we would like to have on our cars, just remember this. It cost money to make sure it works right, who is covering that cost at first, and when they do it, which they do not have to produce it for everyone, why would they produce parts if they were not going to make a buck on it? After all it is thier time you are paying for, and they really do not have to do it in the first place.

THANKS buddy..........................couldnt have said it better myself. a + for ya

quote Originally posted by 88-DOHC: The Ryane/Held brackets are similar, but are one solid piece. I think these resemble them mainly because they use the same emergancy brake system (Wilwood) and use the 3 bearing bolts to attach the bracket to the car. In any case, this is basicly how Ryane/Held had solved how to attach the Willwood caliper and emergancy brake on their 13" brake kit. The middle picture on here http://www.heldmotorsports.com/brake13.htm shows an early style of the bracket. The bracket I got had wider mounting tabs for the emergancy brake much like these. Again these are similar but obviously not the same.

I have seen those before, and I agree. But it's just like every other Fiero, Honda, Ford, Chevy, whatever part comes out. Someone, somewhere, has a part that started it all, then someone else "makes it better" in one way or another, in their own way for some reason.

PR is just making them for a kit and a lower price, because I know the held ones are a bit more than what he is asking for his.

If you wait long enough, someone will take PR's, and will modify them a bit differently, so that say you wont' have to move the front shock up at all.. That's the way all these aftermarket products work!

Then if you notice, when someone else makes parts that look similar to something they have done before, there's some reason why it is krappy. Without trying, and I do mean without trying to start a rag war, if you wait long enough, and PR see's someone else making parts that are either identical to his, or are *very* similar, you *may* see him on here saying that someone ripped off his parts.

Like I said, not trying to start a war on this thread, but if you look at a lot of these things, which I did last nite, I looked at the last 90 days of posts, and that's the way it seems no matter who it is, with what part, or whatever...

Or I could be totally wrong, and if someone copies what PR is making, he may just stop making them. Who knows...

It's 6 of one, and a half dozen of another and that's my 2 cents worth!

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