That oiling "gizmo" can be just another fiero distributer with the cam gear spocket ground down to nothing. I just took a worn out fiero dist. ground down the cam spocket gear, bent the coil tabs and then pulled everything off the dist and then it can be used as a cheap pre-oiler "gizmo". A fiero dist can be picked up at any junk yards for as little as $5. If you need picture of it, just PM me.

Today I have purchased a digital camera. Now I can take many pictures just like Jazzman!

What did your fuel pressure turn out to be while cranking? We have a pool going here on the problem.

quote Originally posted by TK: What did your fuel pressure turn out to be while cranking? We have a pool going here on the problem.

LOL I don't remember exactly, John was checking while I was cranking. I believe it was over 40psi. More than enough.

Ok, so that's down.

Yup crossed that off the list. Pokey still thinks its some kind of timing problem. Hopefully he can make it down tuesday to take a crack at it.

Anyone in CA have a ALDL connector and lap top with the right program? That *might* help shed some light. Of course, I'm still counting on Pokey coming down tomarrow or in the near future. Just an idea.

Any chance a fuel line got kinked and the systems not getting enough fuel or something? I know you'd mentioned that you hadnt actually checked the pressure and were depending on the "it squirted out pretty far" method

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Eibach springs, Koni shocks, Kosei K1s, Kumho Ecsta V700s, poly bushings, rear swaybar, MSD ignition, shift-kit, custom intake scoop

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Anyone in CA have a ALDL connector and lap top with the right program? That *might* help shed some light. Of course, I'm still counting on Pokey coming down tomarrow or in the near future. Just an idea.

Call Ray @ Dyno Labs 925-831-8240

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: LOL I don't remember exactly, John was checking while I was cranking. I believe it was over 40psi. More than enough.

Yeah, we checked it. No problems there.
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quote Originally posted by TK: What did your fuel pressure turn out to be while cranking? We have a pool going here on the problem.

I still think it's an ignition module or ECM issue, or the wiring that goes between the distributor and...other stuff.

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88 3.4 coupe...........

Coming soon...
88 Formula, presently under the knife.
Read Nealz Nuze!

I bet it's a timing issue also.

pokeyfiero thinks so too, but we've been through the entire ignition system. We'll see what he thinks once he actually has a chance to mess with it.

OK, here it is

sorry for the delay but it has benn a RED LETTER DAY!

Take an old disty and grind down the cam gear to clear it alltogether. Then remove the bottom plate and grind three sides to the shaft to give your drill something to grab onto. Put on a new o-ring (trust me) and you're ready to go.

Hey Todd, we're gonna replace the Pick Up Coil tomarrow just for jollies. Never know. If you're not busy, Bear is coming down, and Brian and Pokey probably are too.

4 days to the rally.....c'mon you can do it

We're trying, John. I'd really hate to miss the Rally. We're going to try a new pick up coil today amongst other things. John (bear) and Brian should be here any minute. If we don't get it today, John and Andrew can come Thursday. It will be VERY close.

Aw, poor car!! Well at least it aint- "tow me!"

IT'S ALIVE!!!

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Are you saying ITS ALIVE? Yoo bettah not be playin with ma feelins beeotch!

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Eibach springs, Koni shocks, Kosei K1s, Kumho Ecsta V700s, poly bushings, rear swaybar, MSD ignition, shift-kit, custom intake scoop

really?...... details........ DETAILS!!!!!!!!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: IT'S ALIVE!!!

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IT RUNS!!!!!! IT RUNS IT RUNS IT RUNS IT RUNS!!!!!!!!

Everybody start placing your bets on the problem, I'll have pics and details up later!

Did I mention that it runs?

It's like hearing someone had a baby.

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quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: IT RUNS!!!!!! IT RUNS IT RUNS IT RUNS IT RUNS!!!!!!!! Everybody start placing your bets on the problem, I'll have pics and details up later! Did I mention that it runs?

wel, it was definatly electrical.......how about

bad coil wire
bad ignition module
distributor was junk
coil pack

[excited schoolgirl voice] I DUNNO JUST TELL US!!!!!!! [\excited schoolgirl voice]

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Heh heh, here's a hint while I'm getting the pics together.

It was nothing to do with the ignition system. Spark, distributor, coil, coil control module, pick up coil, plugs and plug wires were all fine.

you forgot to use the keys.....

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Aw, come on man!!! Thats so harsh - we been holdin our breaths to hear you get it runnin! In any case - WOOOOOHOOOOOO! Happy for ya! I wanna hear your impressions on the performance and seat of the pants feel!

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Eibach springs, Koni shocks, Kosei K1s, Kumho Ecsta V700s, poly bushings, rear swaybar, MSD ignition, shift-kit, custom intake scoop

And the answer is....

Oil Pressure Sender

Bad connection in the Oil Pressure Sender prevented the car from running. The gauge was reading fine, so I assumed it was fine. However, it seems the part that tells the ECM whether or not there is oil pressure was not working. If the ECM doesn't read oil pressure from the sender when the car starts, it kills the fuel pump to kill the engine and prevent damage. Messing with the sender connector restored the connection and voila, running Fiero.

Once it was running, we got it timed and started checking other things. It does have a problem or 2. First and foremost is that its idling at 2400 RPMs!!! Yikes! Not good. Its also throwing a code 24, the VSS, which is odd because the speedometer works fine. Not only that, but its intermitten. The SES light comes on at idle and low speed, but as soon as I get up to around 30 or so it goes off. Weird. Other problems include running warm, but I think burping the coolant again tonight will have that taken care of, it had a lot of air in it still. Also, the radiator fan refuses to come on now. I have a manual switch to turn it on, but thats not doing it either. And my fog lights decided to stop working too. I've got a busted coolant temp switch which was mistakenly put in with teflon tape on the threads, so thats probably a problem right there. Apparently said switch is also connected to the engine control system, so it could have something to do with the code 24 and high idle. Lastly (I hope) the exhaust is leaking at the Y pipe. The headers and Y pipe aren't sealed up, so I gotta adjust those too. Hopefully taking care of the exhaust leak and the code 24 will get the idle down to where it should be.

Here's the busted sensor:

Here's me and fierobear getting ready to take her for the first run.

Off we go! Thats Brian's white 86GT with 4spd Muncie on the left.

And here's a picture of Brian with my dog Osha. The beers were on my Dad for getting this thing moving.

I must say I already love the 3.4 The step up in power is awesome, and its not that huge of a step, all things considered. The torque is freakin awesome. It wants to jump right out from under you in first gear. On the freeway, I can pass someone without even thinking about it. I love this engine and I can't wait to get it all squared away and start having some fun with it. I'll be working on it tomarrow, thursday, and friday and hopefully it will be in good enough running order for the Rally on Saturday. I can't wait!

"everything that has a beginning,.....has an end" (cue matrix music.....)

awesome stuff

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So what kind of HP do you think you are putting out? I am sure you think it was worth all the trouble so I wont even ask that question. How much more responsive is the 3.4 vs the 2.8?

The difference is very real. If you do the math, using the stock numbers for the 2 engines, its a 30% increase in horsepower and a decent increase in torque. The stock 2.8 put out 140hp and around 180lb-ft of torque. The stock 3.4 was 160hp and something like 200 lb-ft. My 2.8 was actually puttin out a little less according to the dyno, but it was dying anyways. This 3.4 is not stock. I ported the exhaust while I had it out and I have a good muffler and Camm CAT. While I'm working the bugs out, I'll put my Accel Ignition system back in. The custom chip helps too. I'd guess all that and the restrictive Fiero intakes, I'm around 170-175 hp and a little over 200 lb-ft, but thats just guessing.

Butt-Dyno - Its freakin awesome. 1st gear is fun while it lasts. So much down low torque that it takes off like a bat outta hell. Course, 1st is over quick. It just keeps hauling, no lag like the 2.8 The best part is on the freeway. If I want to pass someone, it just goes. Its got good pull at 60-70mph and its around peak hp in the 80-100 range, so it goes like hell between 80-100. Well, fierobears did. I haven't tried that with mine yet.

Um...I hate to burst your bubble, but that sensor in your picture, the one sticking out of the head above the exhaust connection, well it's not an oil pressure sensor. It actually is the temperature sender for the temperature gauge in the dash. At least your car is running now. I still bet your timing was off and you finally got it close enough to run. Good luck fixing all the other minor problems and enjoy.

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Congrats! - Glad to see you finally got it running!

The high idle & ses light comming on and off again is the exact same thing ive got going on right now, which is caused by a crack in the egr tube

after reading all thru this, you've inspired me to do my own 3.4 swap, this summer ill have some cash to burn, so what better way to spend it on a lower mileage engine with more power.

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Black 85GT

AIM : Mjpana252
email : MJPana@Comcast.net

Welcome to 3.4 land! It is much better better than the 2.8.

I encurage you to find some stock heads and intakes from ebay, or you could even buy my stock set, (Hint, Hint) and have them ported and polished to the max.

My car is running this set up and I can tell you that it is as fast as my 88 Mustang 5.0 LX was. I have never had it at the track, but have driven many fast cars.

I also made my brother race me in my 2000 Accord Vtec V6 witch is pretty quick and it wasnt even close.

Anyhow, I'm glad to see you have it running. I've been waiting to see this.

BTW what tranny do you have?

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Custom Gun Metal 86 GT
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quote Originally posted by avengador1: Um...I hate to burst your bubble, but that sensor in your picture, the one sticking out of the head above the exhaust connection, well it's not an oil pressure sensor. It actually is the temperature sender for the temperature gauge in the dash. At least your car is running now. I still bet your timing was off and you finally got it close enough to run. Good luck fixing all the other minor problems and enjoy.

Yeah, I know. The Oil Pressure Sender was the problem. That cracked sensor I pictured is the Coolant temp switch, which is somehow connected to the idle according to the manual, and what I believe may be causing the problem.

quote Originally posted by sppdy The high idle & ses light comming on and off again is the exact same thing ive got going on right now, which is caused by a crack in the egr tube

Thanks for the tip. I don't think mine is cracked, but I forgot to use the new gasket and reused the old one, so I think its leaking, which is the same difference. I'm gonna replace the gasket and torque it down today.

quote Originally posted by MarkJPana after reading all thru this, you've inspired me to do my own 3.4 swap, this summer ill have some cash to burn, so what better way to spend it on a lower mileage engine with more power.

Thanks, I'm flattered. It was definately worth the time and money, and you can't ask for a much better easy swap.

quote Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT Welcome to 3.4 land! It is much better better than the 2.8. I encurage you to find some stock heads and intakes from ebay, or you could even buy my stock set, (Hint, Hint) and have them ported and polished to the max. My car is running this set up and I can tell you that it is as fast as my 88 Mustang 5.0 LX was. I have never had it at the track, but have driven many fast cars. I also made my brother race me in my 2000 Accord Vtec V6 witch is pretty quick and it wasnt even close. Anyhow, I'm glad to see you have it running. I've been waiting to see this. BTW what tranny do you have?

I would have liked to port the heads and do a cam while I had it out, but time and money restrictions held me back. At least I ported the exhaust. After I finish paying for all this, I'll look into the heads. Another forum member, FrancisT I believe, said something about making all new heads for the 60* V6 that would be much better flowing than ported and polished stock ones. Nice to know theres still more mods I can do to it

4 speed Muncie Manual, BTW

The coolant sensor that affects the idle is mounted on the lower manifold. The one in your picture is for the temperature display in the dash. Just thought I would let you know,in case you think you are having problems with it, you don't want to be changing out the wrong one.

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