Originally posted by Fiero5: Also, just because it is a 75 shot doesn't mean we have to run it at the full level either which was another reason we liked the sounds of the dry system over the wet. Hope that helps dispell some of the disbelievers. If not, oh well. It works fine, hasn't blown up the engine yet, what else can I say.
That's true with almost all nitrous systems. They come with a variety of jets. Like in my case it came with a 75HP, 100HP and a 150HP set of jets. I jetted the system to 150HP - not that I'm going to need it anytime soon. You don't normally say that you're running a "75 shot" if it’s jetted for, let’s say for arguments sake - 40HP even though the system itself can be jetted to 75HP. So, with that said, do you have the system jetted for a 75 shot? From the above comment it appears as if you toned the system down, which would make sense for a duke. I find it hard to believe that Holly would recommend the full 75 dry shot on a high mileage stock duke. But then, what do I know...
Rob D.
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FieroPilot Member
Posts: 342 From: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada Registered: Oct 2003
That's true with almost all nitrous systems. They come with a variety of jets. Like in my case it came with a 75HP, 100HP and a 150HP set of jets. I jetted the system to 150HP - not that I'm going to need it anytime soon. You don't normally say that you're running a "75 shot" if it’s jetted for, let’s say for arguments sake - 40HP even though the system itself can be jetted to 75HP. So, with that said, do you have the system jetted for a 75 shot? From the above comment it appears as if you toned the system down, which would make sense for a duke. I find it hard to believe that Holly would recommend the full 75 dry shot on a high mileage stock duke. But then, what do I know...
Rob D.
Yes Rob you are correct. When I said it was a 75 shot I am sorry as I should have been more specific in the fact that the boxed "kit" is a 75 shot. They also sent us smaller jets to put in place of the one the kit comes with out of the box.
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
I think the black in the middle needs letters..... Something like powered by holley
We picked up a sheet of plexiglass, scored and cut it and then heat gunned it to mold it to fit better. Then we painted the insdie (back side) of the plexi black. Now we have to put gaskets around some of it to give it a better finished look. The bulbs fit nice in the sockets and everything seems to work fine. Nice that GM keeps connectors and sockets pretty much still the same.
86fieroEarl, I like the idea of some kind of decal on the plexi to break up all that black. Will have to throw that idea by Jordan and see what the owner thinks.
Thanks
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
No, not yet anyway. If we ever do we will certainly relook at doing it another way as we have not made any permenent changes to the tail light area at all, so we can go another way at anytime we want, even back to stock. It's not as clean looking as we had hoped so far but it fits the look of the car better than what we had. We have looked at so many different altezza light combinations it's not even funny
Yes Rob you are correct. When I said it was a 75 shot I am sorry as I should have been more specific in the fact that the boxed "kit" is a 75 shot. They also sent us smaller jets to put in place of the one the kit comes with out of the box.
Whats with the constant lying Steve? You can just be yourself and everything will be OK. The reason people keep harping on you is because you always stretch the truth and make things up. I mean seriously just be honest and people will leave you alone.
You specifically said that you ran a whole bottle of N2O on your duke with a 75 hp shot.
you actually didn't.
Then you said your steering wheel was a sparco.
It isn't.
You say the car is your sons.
Yet its your daily driver.
You said that green car could do 0-60 in less than.... what was it ...6 seconds?!
It can't.
You have two air intakes.
Only the stock unit works.
You said you were leaving for the "other" forum cause it was SO much better.
You are still here.
Please don't flame me for this guys, I just want Steve to own up to his words. Its getting old.
I met you Steve and your family last year, and I thought you were all very nice people. I don't dislike you, I am just tired of the BS. Please just be honest.
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LOL yeah suurrre it is... See Lex, a comment like that doesn't work in real life. Why? Because when we go to a car show it's pretty dang hard to photoshop the car when it's sitting at a show In fact we are going to a show with it tomorrow where many will get to see it. I could always post pics of it afterwards from the show .......
Dude you took that totally wrong. I figured it was either a shop job, of somthing you were REALLY going to do, or the lights were just resting on the back of the car. Either way I was responding to Chester, not ragging on your mod. Actually, I think it should look decent.
Love the idea of NOS on a duke. I am stuck with a duke for now and a little more oompf would be great. Keep up the good work I figure. Do you have a pic of where the nozzle is mounted? I just can't picture where you could have placed it. But would like to know. Any hints you could give out to save some time/trouble on a NOS package on a Duke. What model or whatever kit is it that you have. So if I wanted to order one. I would know what I am looking for.
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Posts: 290 From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Registered: May 2003
I dunno, I just think nitrous seems like quite an expensive way to get the duke up to, what, 100hp for a matter of seconds?
That's why I don't like nitrous. Is very expensive, and doesn't seem to last very long at all. I don't care whether it's for a duke or for a 383 sbc. If you drag race your car a lot, I can see using it more, but not really for street use.
Wow, must be another slow night on Pennocks. Geeze. connecticutFIERO, the box we purchased the steering wheel in was a Sparco box. If it turns out to be made by Hyundai so what is it to you? I got a good deal on it as it was a return as I have said before and it was after all the look he was looking for. The next time I am at Pep Boys though I will bring this up as we were sold the wheel based on the fact that it was a Sparco and not a cheaper brand. Interesting though the fact that the Sparco add on buttons accessory we ordered later for it fit perfectly. According to Sparco's web site they are made specifically to fit their wheels bolt pattern only. We are constantly modding the car as everyone on here knows and the 2nd air intake was another mod in progress which I have also pointed out many times in the past. And yes, I said the NOS set up was a 75 shot, and if that led you to believe I was using the whole 75 shot then I guess I am glad I was able to clear that up. Like I said earlier, we are just starting to learn about nitrous and so if I didn't word myself correctly in the earlier explanations than I do opologize. If I said I purchased a new speedo that was a 120mph one, would you then assume that I had gone the whole 120mph in the car? I am not sure if that is a good analogy or not but hopefully you at least see where I am coming from. The 0 to 60 was done based on a stop watch which I have allready agreed many many times since many many months ago was apparently not a very accurate way of doing that. As for saying I was leaving, I said I thought the other forum was being more helpfull at the time on a question we originally asked right here on PFF, but sadly mostly got attacked and insulted here instead while actually getting the help we needed over there, which was why I said I was going over there. Not to stay but just to get the help we needed at the time. Being very upset at that time by how we were being treated, I didn't exactly worry at the time how litterally my comments would be taken. I know that Cliff and most of the rest of us here on PFF would love to have this site be the one stop shop for any and all Fieros lovers. Lets see if we can all be less critical of each other and our rides and more helpfull and supportive? And once again yes, the car is my sons, as legally so as it can be given the fact that he is after all only 11. I am sorry if all these things seem to be bothering you so much.
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
Love the idea of NOS on a duke. I am stuck with a duke for now and a little more oompf would be great. Keep up the good work I figure. Do you have a pic of where the nozzle is mounted? I just can't picture where you could have placed it. But would like to know. Any hints you could give out to save some time/trouble on a NOS package on a Duke. What model or whatever kit is it that you have. So if I wanted to order one. I would know what I am looking for.
Thanks I keep our cardomain web site fairly up to date with recent pics. www.cardomain.com/id/fiero5 Keep checking that site (page 18) to see more updates and detailed pics of Jordans Fiero like detailed pics of where the nozzle is mounted
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donk316 Member
Posts: 1952 From: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada Registered: Mar 2003
I've often wondered about using a light nitrous shot for an "every now and then" extra bit of power. Of course, when it's first installed, anyone will hit it at every traffic light, but, if it's used judiciously, it could be relatively cheap horsepower.
Yeah, I know, if you have it, why would you not want to use it? Well, one of the coolest experiences I've had since buying my silver Fiero was cruising at exactly 42 mph on the Valley streets alongside a stranger in a silver Lamborghini...not a rebody...a real Lambroghini. I guess with that much expensive sheet metal at stake, you're just naturally careful
Anyway, back to the subject...an accelerator activated switch that would open a small nitrous shot at WOT would seem like a good idea. But, I've never actually played with nitrous, and this may have been tried and rejected...just throwing in my 1.75 cents worth.
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daniel87fierogt Member
Posts: 1793 From: Northern California Registered: Oct 2003
Is that the corrrect place to install the NOS injector in the intake air duct? Wouldnt some of the NOS get lost before it got to the combustion chambers? If you were going to install NOS on a V6, would you do a wet shot or a dry shot? Explain to me where using a dry shot where on a V6 would you mount the NOS injector, and where on a Wet shot? Sorry for the questions just trying to understand better.
Anyway, back to the subject...an accelerator activated switch that would open a small nitrous shot at WOT would seem like a good idea. But, I've never actually played with nitrous, and this may have been tried and rejected...just throwing in my 1.75 cents worth.
Believe most good setups have a switch to prevent injection before WOT.. Bad idea I hear.. (accelerator mounted I believe)..
And yes, I said the NOS set up was a 75 shot, and if that led you to believe I was using the whole 75 shot then I guess I am glad I was able to clear that up. Like I said earlier, we are just starting to learn about nitrous and so if I didn't word myself correctly in the earlier explanations than I do opologize. If I said I purchased a new speedo that was a 120mph one, would you then assume that I had gone the whole 120mph in the car?
well.. technicallllllllly. the whole 75shot. but we're not using a 75 shot thing is more of a comparison to "The king of spain was a man, and I am a man, therefore I am the king of spain"....
However, putting nitrous on a high mileage Duke engined Fiero IMO is playing with fire. Even a 40-50HP shot of nitrous will cause the engine to pick up RPM's very quickly and extra fuel had better be there . In stock trim, going above 4500 RPM's is getting into the danger zone with these engines. The Duke was built for economy and the internals ( Block, crank, rods) are designed accordingly. You certainly have every right to modify your Fiero any way that you wish and I'm not trying to discourage or critcize your project in any way , just point out that you may encounter limits with this approach.
Originally posted by Fiero5: And yes, I said the NOS set up was a 75 shot, and if that led you to believe I was using the whole 75 shot then I guess I am glad I was able to clear that up.
No, not yet anyway. If we ever do we will certainly relook at doing it another way as we have not made any permenent changes to the tail light area at all, so we can go another way at anytime we want, even back to stock. It's not as clean looking as we had hoped so far but it fits the look of the car better than what we had. We have looked at so many different altezza light combinations it's not even funny
I used Acura Integras and chopped the corrners off so It would fit inside the notchie opening. with the Connector sticking out so far I have to drill some releif holes behind them. I will see about converting to LEDs and see if I can get away from the stock sockets.
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Posts: 6508 From: Camden County NJ Registered: Sep 2001
How would PepBoys have it in a Sparco box when they dont even deal with Sparco?? I use to work for pepboys before i realized it sucked and went to another autoparts store (which turned out to be one of the greatest decision of my life as of the past few weeks). They use to sell Grant wheels but switched over to APC.
Where do you buy steering wheel buttons? The set you added? I didnt know you could buy them without buying the whole wheel!
This was sent to me from someone who wants to stay anonymous--->
" Steve, you are such a liar. For one you are running a dry kit on your car. mistake number one. You have no provision for uppin the fuel pressure on your car like the dry kit requires. Two, even if you did, your current single fuel injector does NOT flow enough fuel to support an extra 75 shot! Thats roughly a 70 percent increase in fuel that you will need in order to run a dry shot!! I CALL BS!!!!! Why must you lie!! To try and hush your critics on your fake kit you try and do this stuff. Also your duke would not handle 2 minutes(roughly a 75 shot) on that Puke of yours. You are so full of it. Since the kit is installed. Lets see some dyno numbers, and an a/f reading. Its only $5 more for the WB reading so you should be able to afford it. Prove that you aren't BSING!!! lets see a pic of the nozzle in the air cleaner housing. I want to see where you mounted it"
Geez im a dead man. Dont shoot the messenger!
I hate assholes that are knocking this guy and his fiero. He has a nice car and I like it. You fhuckers are no better then the new vette owners that bash the old vette owners at the vette shows. Do us all a favor and go rap your fiero around a tree.
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Why not let that pussy fight for himself. I hate assholes that are knocking this guy and his fiero. He has a nice car and I like it. You fhuckers are no better then the new vette owners that bash the old vette owners at the vette shows. Do us all a favor and go rap your fiero around a tree.
That link has very useful information. The section about language in particular. Actually, YOU might want to read the section about "RATE ME" threads as well.
Remember, the car in this thread belongs to an 11yr boy. Let's try to keep it clean, okay pal?
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Well....this showed up in my email so here goes....
And I Qoute---
"DUDE why do you keep on lying about yoru nitrous kit??
First you did claim that it was a kit with a 75 shot. Then after you get a whole bunch of flack and people calling you out on it you turn around and change your story that because it is a 75 shot kit you aren't using the full 75. So what is it then? What shot are you running then if it isnt' a 75 shot? Why do you make claims and then leave out certain details?
Just answer the question. what sized nitrous jet, and what sized bypass jet are you running on your kit?
And also what I find funny is how you say there were no local shops to help you get a kit but advance auto was able to get it for you. However where do you take your bottle to get it filled? Umm hello,speed shops that fill nitrous are also able to get nitrous kits!!!! Which means you could have gone to them. And that green turd nitrous bottle would have worked however you needed a bottle nut adapter to getit to work!! Bwahahaha jesus man get a clue. any good speed shop could have told you that.
FACT is you still dont' haev it hooked up and its still untested onthat car. Why must you lie!!!!? So you hooked the bottle up on the 23rd according to your first post, then later on the 23 you state thatyou had already gone through a WHOLE bottle!! Umm ok dude. If you are running less then a 75 shot or are you running a 75 shot? keep it straight, it would take you over 3 minutes to go through a whole bottle. Are you telling me that you drove around and used a whole 10 pounds of nitrous in one night on your puke engine and it didnt'blow?? YEA RIGHT DUDE! I can't even do taht on my v6 fiero in onenight!!!
QUIT LYING AND COME CLEAN You aren't fooling me and it appears tome that you aren't fooling everyone else on the forum either as you keep changing your story and they are finding holes in it.
So what sized nitrous and bypass jets are you running?
Post pics of where in tapped your nitrous nozzles into the intake. I want to see where the nozzle is at exactly."
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WHAT A RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH! 
Someone needs their meds....... 
