Well, well, well look what the big BABY sent me in the form of a PM.

Author Topic: Re: Bottle Fed 4 banger: Jordans NOS is finally installed
Fiero5
Member
06-29-2004 01:12 PM

Tim, go edit your crap out of the thread or I promise you the next thread you start I will happily fill with this quote over and over and over again and I won't care how many negs I get for doing it. Heck I might get a few pluses

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Originally posted by fiero5:
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[This message has been edited by fieroparts.com (edited 07-05-2004).]

Oh Now I get it. It was all a big misunderstanding and the people at pennocks are just big meanies. Is that about how you see it? Because from where I stand, you were purposefully BSing to puff yourself up. Then you were called on it, and you manufacture a nice little story about how you are just ignorant about nitrous.

Hows this for clarity.

You didn't go through a 10lb bottle of Nitrous with 75 horsepower shots of nitrous into your 2.5 L straight 4 cylinder powered green Fiero.

Can you admit to that without making up more lies?

You don't own a Sparco steering wheel.

It may look like a Sparco, but if you bought it for $60 at pepboys it isn't a sparco. Plain and simple.

Its really that simple. There's no confusion about nitrous. A 75 shot means 75 HP, a 50 shot means 50 horsepower. The jet sizes differ for the correct amount of nitrous or fuel that allows you to get the desired amount of HP. I wouldn't buy a 150 HP N20 system and then install 50HP jet sizes and say that I ran through a whole bottle of Nitrous with my 150 HP system. Because that would be lying...

I am not risking getting negatives by calling you out because I don't like you or your car. I only spoke up because you were making stuff up and thats just wrong.

My advice to those who keep saying this forum is full of bad people is that you should read the whole thread with an open mind and not focus on the few posts where people are making comments about the looks of the car. This thread is about a nitrous setup on a 2.5L. I just want the correct information without lies. Yes LIES, what you are doing is not confusion or miswording statements.

Amen!

Steve, that's the issue. Nothing else (in this thread). You can do what you want with this car, as long as you tell the truth. But, you have no credibility anymore, so you need to prove stuff. Ok....fine. You can post all of the pics you want in this thread as it's expected. It's a Jordan thread. But, your lies will not be tolerated. Plain and simple. None of us knows everything, and that's why we all ask questions or ask for opinions. We are supposed to be a team, and you don't want to play along. We all pretty much get along on here, and we all are willing to help each other. But it seems you don't want to play by the rules, and part of those rules include telling the truth. That's it, plain and simple. Don't lie.

We've all agreed that the time you spend with Jordan is wonderful and we wish every kid could have that. That time is priceless. But, do it right and don't teach Jordan or Tarrah that lying is ok....because it's not. On that point you have our respect and good wishes. Just be a team player and there won't be anymore problems.

Mark

TO THE CAN!

ive read this thread repeatedly and what i see is a guy building up a car to his 11 year old son's specs, and a bunch of people dumping on him. yes, it's an overgrown hot wheels, he's ELEVEN. maybe they're just jealous. steve has posted a link to his web page for those of you who want to see the plumbing, but that's apparently not good enough.

ok, i dont know anything about nitrous except what i learned at the dentist, but if Holley helped me install a system capable of a 75 HP shot, i might call it that, not out of a desire to mislead, but because that's what i thought it was. as for the wheel, close inspection shows it's not a sparco. but he plausibly could have assumed, based on the sticker, that it's a sparco.

some of you complain that there are too many pictures. ok, dont read the thread. it's that green car. run away if you cant handle it. there are about half a dozen people on here who have nothing better to do than complain. nobody forced you to read the thread, or look at the pics.

quote Originally posted by lurker: ive read this thread repeatedly and what i see is a guy building up a car to his 11 year old son's specs, and a bunch of people dumping on him. yes, it's an overgrown hot wheels, he's ELEVEN. maybe they're just jealous. steve has posted a link to his web page for those of you who want to see the plumbing, but that's apparently not good enough. ok, i dont know anything about nitrous except what i learned at the dentist, but if Holley helped me install a system capable of a 75 HP shot, i might call it that, not out of a desire to mislead, but because that's what i thought it was. as for the wheel, close inspection shows it's not a sparco. but he plausibly could have assumed, based on the sticker, that it's a sparco. some of you complain that there are too many pictures. ok, dont read the thread. it's that green car. run away if you cant handle it. there are about half a dozen people on here who have nothing better to do than complain. nobody forced you to read the thread, or look at the pics.

You are missing the whole point. I don''t care about proof, I knew he was full of it when he said he went through a 10lb bottle of N20 with 75 HP shots on a duke. Its just not true. Stop redirecting the problem. Its not the car or Fiero5's lack of knowlege about Nitrous. Heck I don't know all that much about N20 myself.

Its about inflating the truth to the point of lying, and then not being man enough to even say something like " yeah I guess I was wrong I was only using a 35 HP shot. or yeah its a pepboys wheel, but who cares it looks good". He is still trying to say its a Sparco. He's still saying that he was just ignorant about what 75 HP shots mean. I bet they didn't even fill the bottle yet and he was just excited that it was installed and wanted to boost his ego by saying he went through a whole bottle. Thats most likely why he didn't know much about the system or that a duke won't handle that much horsepower. Think about it, you would be DOUBLING the horsepower of the 2.5 with a 75 HP shot. Its tiresome.

I am happy he is spending time with his son, I don't care what the car looks like.

Okay I pulled the pics off of his web page here they are.

I did'nt know that you could blow NOS through the air filter and make it work. I'm not saying it wont, I just really dont know.

quote Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT: Okay I pulled the pics off of his web page here they are. I did'nt know that you could blow NOS through the air filter and make it work. I'm not saying it wont, I just really dont know.

There's no reason it shouldn't work. N20 to my understanding pretty much cools the air and allows for more compact cool air to make it to the combustion chamber for increased power. Not to mention pressurizing the intake. I'm sure thats an over simplification, but if thats true at all then the air would still be getting cooled whether its before the filter or not. However, I'm sure you would lose some of its effectiveness. My question is where is the extra fuel coming from? Usually on a dry system you need to richen the mixture to get more fuel for the extra N20/air. I have heard of retarding the timing to make it run rich and I've heard of using a switch that does alters the timing automatically when you hit the nitrous. But what is giving this system more fuel?

Like I said I am no expert at N20, just questioning and speculating.

quote Originally posted by lurker:

Absolutely correct. This car is Jordan's vision and he's building it the way he wants. People aren't dumping on Jordan, but some opinions are expressed because those opinions have been asked for. No problem there. Jealous? I don't think that's an issue.

Yes, Steve has posted to his CarDomain website, and I personally thank him for that. I found that link and don't know why others haven't. It's there, and it's good enough for me (not that THAT means anything).

I don't know much about nitrous, but I think I'd want to learn enough to know what I'm talking about if I was putting it in my car. You don't just install a nitrous kit in your car and then figure it out. Engines are a little expensive. So, on that point, the owner needs to know what he's doing before doing it. He's not installing a new radio. So, he put out bad information and actually lied about what the setup is. That's a problem.

No one is complaining about too many pics (in this thread), because as mentioned earlier, this is a Jordan thread and it's expected. No problem there.

Mark

[This message has been edited by Firefox (edited 06-29-2004).]

Just one comment and Im gone, doesn't PM stand for Personal Message? I know I catched heck for posting a flaming PM someone had sent me, even if I had a good reason to post it. Consider this a friendly suggestion from personal experience.

[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 06-29-2004).]

The reason for No2, is that No2 has more oxygen than air does allowing for more fuel to be burned in the combustion chamber. That is why wet shot adds more fuel to the mixture, more fuel oxygen = more HP. It really has nothing to do with cooling the air or raising the intake pressure, these could be some beneficial side effects, but the real advantage has to do with the increase of O2 in the combustion chamber.

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quote Originally posted by Fiero STS: The reason for No2, is that No2 has more oxygen than air does allowing for more fuel to be burned in the combustion chamber. That is why wet shot adds more fuel to the mixture, more fuel oxygen = more HP. It really has nothing to do with cooling the air or raising the intake pressure, these could be some beneficial side effects, but the real advantage has to do with the increase of O2 in the combustion chamber.

I know the reason for more HP is that there is more air in the chamber, I thought that the N20 cooling the air and making it more dense was the reason for it. Thanks for the info I didn't realize that n20 has more 02 than air itself. Thanks!

quote Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT: I did'nt know that you could blow NOS through the air filter and make it work. I'm not saying it wont, I just really dont know.

I suppose you can (obviously he did, and I take it that it worked!), but normally NOS is installed after the air cleaner like under the throttle body or in the intake runners. Personally I would have put the NOS nozzle under the air cleaner between the filter and the throttle body, or tapped a hole directly into the intake just under the throttle body. But, to each his/her own!

So let me get this straight.....

You're injecting nitrous oxide into your 2.5L through the air filter??

Maybe he went through the whole 10 lb. bottle because it all leaked out?

Can you just feel the love??

I'm not a fan of nitrous, never have been, I prefer blowers.. But, maybe running the jet the way he has is actually the best way to do it for a duke.. Even at a 50 shot that's a hard hit on the engine, but after it pushes past the filter, out of the top of the air cleaner seal, and every where else it will leak before it even gets to the intake will knock enough HP out of the shot to make it reliable..

I'm not saying that this was the intent, but it's certainly an interesting side effect that someone else may find useful.. And it's definately easier to set up this way than to tap the intake..

[This message has been edited by Feydakin (edited 06-29-2004).]

I definately say tap the intake. You would probably feel like, 5hp in the end with it setup like that.. Just end up with a bunch in teh aircleaner housing slowly being sucked in would be my take.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Just one comment and Im gone, doesn't PM stand for Personal Message? I know I catched heck for posting a flaming PM someone had sent me, even if I had a good reason to do post it.

did this forum get the PM police?

If the big bullshlt Steve wants to send me a PM, DEMANDING, I do what he says, he can go kiss my ars.

Once again it's not a matter of "attacking", it's about LYING or FIBBING or STRETCHING THE TRUTH or any other verb you can think of with NOTHING to back it up with.

So Steve... When are you coming over so we can dump a V8 into Jordan's car?
Matt

quote Originally posted by vwaltdog: So Steve... When are you coming over so we can dump a V8 into Jordan's car? Matt

Hmm ... I have just the V8 for him too in the Mall:

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/020174.html

(shameless plug I know .. )

edit: point was made

[This message has been edited by Yes Im Jen (edited 06-29-2004).]

zing!

incrediable........ just incrediable.....

To all...

I don't personally know any Fiero owners, other than the few I met when I was looking for a car to buy. I was surprised to see how many people were interested in Fieros, and how many forums and clubs there are. I discovered this while digging up some background on the cars in the web, before I made my purchase.

I've been looking forward to meeting some other owners, and perhaps attending an event or two. However, this thread, and some others on the forum, have just about convinced me that I'm better off enjoying my car on my own, because I don't want to become associated with a group that can't disagree without resorting to threats and name-calling.

Life is stressful enough. A hobby should be something to be enjoyed, and I think I'm going to give a pass to anything that detracts from the enjoyment of my car. In the past, in other cars, I've driven lots of rallys, done a few races, and been a member of a few clubs. I've never seen this kind of behavior...I think the Fiero swap meets, car shows, cruises, etc. are going to have to happen without my participation while the g.f. and I do our own cruises.

I'm through reading this thread, but it's been a helpful eye-opener. It's better that I should find out what may be in store for me sitting here in front of my computer, instead of spending the weekend traveling in the company of a bunch of madmen. I'm certainly not going to take my lady to any event where we may have to end up leaving because the event turned into an endless stream of altercations.

Maybe these posters aren't representative of the majority of Fiero owners, but it happens so often...I just don't know...

First of all: PM's are just that. "Personal". Hopefully anyone who stupes so low to post in part or in full anyones personal messages to or from someone out onto a public board where it doesn't belong get a lot of negs for doing such a low thing.
Secondly, taking a PM out of context Jen and posting it publicly (which again is wrong to begin with) just to help fuel a fire is even lower. You attacjked me on the forum and I took it off the forum and you post some of it publicly and then have the gall to call me names some more?
Are there any rules on this forum that some of you won't break whenever you feel like it? Some of you call me names, call me a liar, insult our cars, insult how we dress our kids (when we work on cars we don't wear our dressed blues BTW), even insult how we bring up our kids and on and on... BUT while your being as insulting and rude as you can possibly be you don't realize that your attitude is way beyond anything bad that you are accusing me of.
You are judge and jury basing your decisions on what a few others have said in insults?
I am a liar?? Puhlease! Maybe misinformed at times at the worst, but a liar? I don't think so. In your flaming rage to attack me you don't even think twice about what you are actually saying, how your saying it or even all those it may hurt and now some of you have gone even lower than low by publicly posting personal messages. Guess I am the bad guy as I know at least what PM "personal" message means huh? I take the high road and take it off the forum in a PM and some of you just post it publicly anyway, eliminating the whole reason for what the PM was created for to begin with. And you do this for the sole purpose to get me judged on what I said in a PM to see if you can me hit with a few more negs and viewed in a bad light by others who might not know any different. That is not how it is supposed to work on here. Guess we know now that the PM can at times be pretty much a useless tool on here because on any given moment someone will just ignore all the rules and dig up and post a PM publicly. Yeah, and I am the one in question here?? Those giving out the negs might want to relook now at who your giving them out to.
How much lower will some of you go??

[This message has been edited by Fiero5 (edited 06-29-2004).]

I tried. I really did. I really didn't want to comment here.

However...
I'm really tired of reading all the BS about this car, and then the personal attacks on the people who recognize the BS for what it is, and have the audacity to actually question it.
"0 to 60 in six seconds." (I wasn't going to bring it up. Somebody else saved me the trouble.)
"Oh wait... it wasn't really six seconds. That was just a guess." (A very generous one at that.)
I'll bet that 75 shot dropped that to four seconds.
"Oh... wait. It wasn't really a 75 shot." (It couldn't have been. The cylinder head is still in one piece. )

What really pisses me off is that some other kid (when you're 16 or 17 you have a lot of faith in stuff you read) could have taken this garbage seriously and put a real 75 shot on his Duke. (Earth to cylinder head...!)

My take on this? (And I suspect that of many others as well. I personally know of more than one.)
I don't hate this car. I find it... interesting. It's way over the edge, for my taste, but if that's how Jordan wants it, that's cool.

What I really don't like is you Steve.
I haven't liked you from the time I met you at the 20th, and as I've found out a lot more stuff from other people, I like you even less.
I won't go into detail. Suffice it to say that at least one of my friends have quietly "taken it up the butt" on your behalf, but chose to not make waves.

Personally, I wish you'd just go away.

Oh... Have a nice day!

BTW, before you send me any ranting PMs, I *will* post them. You have been warned.

[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 07-03-2004).]

Fiero5 / Steve Kelly

When you first regestered to post to this fourm you needed to click on the "I Agree" box
to be able to sign up and post. Some of the things you do and say on this fourm are not in keeping with the rules, you have sent me (and others) threatening pm's I will not stand for it.

I think it is time for you to move on. Every time you come up here and post the same old crap
ie: "0-60 in 6 sec.", "75 shot of NOS" and "look I got a new sticker on my car what do you think"
Then you make all kinds of claims that are so BS It makes me question your every word.
I think you need to grow up and tell the truth.

Below is some of what you agreed to:

" You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this messageboard to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this messageboard."

So in short cut the crap!

quote Originally posted by Phil-N: ....I'm certainly not going to take my lady to any event where we may have to end up leaving because the event turned into an endless stream of altercations. Maybe these posters aren't representative of the majority of Fiero owners, but it happens so often...I just don't know...

I feel the same way sometimes, but I have seen most of the drama on here involves Fiero5. You remove him from the equation... poof, no more drama.

quote Originally posted by FieroJuice: I feel the same way sometimes, but I have seen most of the drama on here involves Fiero5. You remove him from the equation... poof, no more drama.

Exactly, what he said!

[This message has been edited by connecticutFIERO (edited 06-29-2004).]

We have a system in place to take care of people that we feel are just a waste of time,
it is called the rate this member, Steve we see lots of red in your bar and I bet we will all see more of it (real soon) till your gone!

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: I take the high road and take it off the forum in a PM

You really don't think threatening someone in a pm is taking the high road, do you?

quote Originally posted by FieroJuice: You really don't think threatening someone in a pm is taking the high road, do you?

Oh please, I said to Jen "what comes around goes around". Taken out of context it is still a huge stretch to think that it was any kind of threat to her other than what I meant, that being that if she wants to talk trash in one of my threads with insults I could do the same in one of hers sometime. Some people don't think about that when they go insult people in a thread that it can go both ways. That was it. Wow, some of you really want to try and stir this up good don't you?

Firefudge? That piece of crap by Firefudge? Hmmmmm.......name calling is the high road?

Steve Kelley - his true colors.

Sie wissen nie

[This message has been edited by Lex (edited 06-30-2004).]

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: How many forum members can raise there hand here and say they know everything?

**Raises hand**

quote Originally posted by InDeX420: **Raises hand**

LOL!

among the exaggerations, insults, threats and harassment, ive learned a good bit about using Nitrous Oxide. i thank you all very much.

Can this thread die or be moved to the trash yet?