Instead of email updates for "thecage" we thought PFF updates would work well for easy viewing. As well as share some information and pictures to inspire. The 86 GT 4 speed standard is the car, the engine is 2004 Grand Prix GTP 3800 s/c series III.

Not much technical info yet, I have only had the car for a couple of hours

Pete

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Hey Pete, I didn't know you did 3800 Swaps too! I might have another victim for you next year and I like the looks of that chop top at the front of your driveway

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Hey Pete, I didn't know you did 3800 Swaps too! I might have another victim for you next year and I like the looks of that chop top at the front of your driveway

Dont ya just wish you had one? beautiful..

PBJ, look forward to the updates.

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2004 Grand Prix GTP 3800 s/c series III
OMG
Does anybody have any numbers on that thing in a fiero?

Doesn't the series 3 have electronic throttle control? Have you figured out how to get around that?

Personally, I'd run it OBDII or OBDI and you could use a N* throttle body. The GTP guys are loving the Gen 5 blowers with the N* TB's .

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quote Originally posted by DotTC: Dont ya just wish you had one? beautiful..

He never should have dropped it off.. LMAO!!!!
Yeah, Tell us about the throttle control... How..??
Thanks for sharing Pete!

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I always enjoy the next "victim" to go under the knife bring them on! And yes that V8 chop top is just sitting there waiting for its owner to enjoy it.

The updates should come real soon. Although we are going to Fierorama this weekend that will delay the swap a bit.

Yes it does have an electonic throttle control, that part will be removed and adapted to another, yet to be decided which one. The idea for the swap right now is stock and build up the hp down the road when the stock excitment dwindles. As if that is possible

I have been in contact with a couple of 3800 swapper here with thier advise in the area of engine management, and will give details once the plan comes together, I am not the first to swap a series III.

Pete

Hey PBJ, where would one find the series III, as well as what is going pricing on a complete motor such as you have there, if I may be so bold as to ask.

I have been looking around, and have yet to actually find one.

I cant wait to see more about this swap! GL!!

--Allen

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mcaanda: The engine was supplied by the car owner (thecage) but in order to get a series 3 you would have to find a 2004 vehicle willing to give it up As for the price of this engine....I did not ask, but I can say it still has the original oil filter on it, so I am sure its worth more than I could afford

Pete

Hello everyone, yes that is my car and it's new heart. I just want to say thanks to Pete & Becky + Jordan&Tyler for making this big leap into the next phase of the car's makeover. I have been thinking of a swap now for a couple of years and was torn between the 4.9 and 3800 SC. Sometimes the decision is made for you. A good engine just happened to become available and I thought it was a good opportunity to jump at it. Low mileage 14,000Kilometers and pretty much all intact except computer. I would like to thank Joe & Frank at Racetech for helping me find this beast. I would also like to thank everyone else I contacted regarding this swap for your help and wisdom (there were quite a few of you and you know who you are) Pete was contracted to do the swap because he was available to do it right away within 2-3 weeks approx. not to mention his outstanding talents. This was important as I wanted it done asap before the end of October as I have finally got my painter of choice to committ to painting the car, after hounding him for a 1.5 years. I didn't want to do any major work like that after I got it painted. So let the swap begin.

Gabe

So I'm jealous. Way to go on finding such a cool engine.

Just for the record, (which you are sure to set)

What were the stats for your GT in stock form, just for comparison?

Arn

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Well, it will look something like this.. >>

Unless you have been some reading about ETC, you will need to study some to make the OBDII P4++ VCM work on that manual transmission right. The 24 pin connector has inputs from the transmission that are needed to work the TAC.

See this document for other details.

http://www.fastfieros.com/tech/delphi_etc.htm

Loyde

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Arn

I have taken the car to the track but have never run it down the track. I think I can safley say there would be no comparison.

Stock 86GT 4spd (low 16's maybe high 15's) is my good guess.

Cool,

That's quite a jump from totally stock 2.8 to screaming 3800sc

Will this be a stick or auto?

Arn

I always loved the 3800 sc engines..... I was soooo close in picking one up at fosters auto crushing.... There's a 2004 wrecked one in there yard in the new car area with one in it I have no idea if it was a sc 1 2 or 3 tho.... If I can haggle the owner down in price on the thing it will very well be going im my next fiero project then I will have 2 fieros They also had a northstar in there yard. I wish I was able to crank it up to here it run but they drain everything out the cars and take the batteries out.

quote Originally posted by 86fieroEarl: I always loved the 3800 sc engines..... I was soooo close in picking one up at fosters auto crushing.... There's a 2004 wrecked one in there yard in the new car area with one in it I have no idea if it was a sc 1 2 or 3 tho.... If I can haggle the owner down in price on the thing it will very well be going im my next fiero project then I will have 2 fieros They also had a northstar in there yard. I wish I was able to crank it up to here it run but they drain everything out the cars and take the batteries out.

did series 1 run up to 1996? and series 2 run to 2003? and the 04 and newer cars all have series 3?

quote Originally posted by riley: did series 1 run up to 1996? and series 2 run to 2003? and the 04 and newer cars all have series 3?

just the Grand Prix GTP/Comp G got the series 3 rest got the L67.

series 2 started in 96-04 (excluding GP's)

looks like it'll be interesting I know my friend just got done with his series 3

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Hi Gabe,
Nice new toy you got there. Gonna be ready for the last october cruise?
Pete,
How hard would it be to turbo a 3400?

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Arn

It will remain the 4spd manual tranny

Adam

It should be ready for that October cruise, then it goes into paint shop.

I can't wait. This is sooo.... cool

This will be one potent street machine.

The only question I have is, just how long will the tires last?? -just kidding.

Arn

quote Originally posted by thecage: Arn It will remain the 4spd manual tranny Adam It should be ready for that October cruise, then it goes into paint shop.

Wonderful, wonderful! More sheer awesomeness to drool over at the October Cruise!

That is going to be an awesome car.

Brad

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Ohhhhhh yeahhhh!

So when it's all done "will he race me or won't he?"

Becky

Only if Pete agrees to pay for anything that breaks. Can't afford to spend anymore money than I am already. Besides I don't want to get beat by a girl.

quote Originally posted by thecage: Only if Pete agrees to pay for anything that breaks. Can't afford to spend anymore money than I am already. Besides I don't want to get beat by a girl.

Then I guess we will never really know what your car can do. Ah Pete will fix it for ya. Better to have it break on the track then on the highway when you try to accelerate past a nice competitor. That's what I say anyways. But I really don't think you will have a problem. Ok knock on wood.

quote Originally posted by thecage: Only if Pete agrees to pay for anything that breaks. Can't afford to spend anymore money than I am already. Besides I don't want to get beat by a girl.

Haha. Most people a St Thomas Dragway are use to getting beat by a girl But for sure if you break any fabricated part that we build for your car at the track that night, it will be fixed!

The flywheel is now machined and ready to go. The car has passed its emissions test and ready to go.

We are off to Fierorama first thing in the morning and will not be back to Monday. The 2.8 engine should be pulled out Monday.

Pete

Update time. Fortunatly pictures are worth 1000 words cause I am tired

quote Originally posted by Her86GT: So when it's all done "will he race me or won't he?" Becky

I'll race ya. But we both know what the outcome will be or do we?

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Now i getting excited !!! Seeing all the action. Thanks for the update Pete.

looking good Pete.
Are you gonna keep the coils in stock location or move them? looks like the decklid might hit them?

I demand an update, and Pictures too!

curious myself pete..how much to do an install of a 3.8sc series two....would be going into an 86 se 365 4 spd...thanks tim...pm me an estimated cost....

Just to let everyone know the status of the swap. Pete I'm sure will jump and give anymore details. Pete is just waiting on some parts so he can continue the install. Flywheel is apparently ready. The spec 3 clutch is on it's way. The GN fuel pump is on it's way. The fuel pressure regulator is on it's way. The 3.4 pulley and new belt is also on it's way. Pete should have all these part's hopefully by the weekend or very early part of next week. In the meantime I believe the mounts and other stuff is being fabricated. I will do my best to keep everyone updated on other stuff. A new throttle body is also required as Pete is going to use a 99' throttle body to get around the series iii fly by wire stuff. I believe Pete has located one at a reasonable price.

Gabe

The fuel pump of choice: 1987 Grand National, excellent flow with excellent pressure for a reasonable price. Here is the part # for those who need one. It comes included with eveything required for the fiero.

I take it this replaces the one in the tank? was PSI does it run at?

quote Originally posted by PBJ: The fuel pump of choice: 1987 Grand National, excellent flow with excellent pressure for a reasonable price. Here is the part # for those who need one. It comes included with eveything required for the fiero.

Very very Helpful. Thanks

The fuel pump will be controled by an external rising rate bypass fuel pressure regulator that can be set from 30 to 70 PSI. Here is todays purchase. An ecm

Lots of work done today. Some pics.

3.4 overdrive pulley

Cross over pipe mode for 4 speed cables.

Series III to series II t/b adaptor.

Installed and sitting in the car.

The clutch!

Thanks for the update Pete. Keep those pictures coming it's the only thing that keeps me going being so far away from my baby. I miss not seeing her in the garage. Keep up the good work fella's. I believe there is not much else to do except the wire harness and cold air intake which is on the way. Also installation of the exhaust setup without the cat.

Update,

Started off the evening header wrapping the modified cross over pipe.
Removed stock V6 air filter box assembly.
Removed all engine hoist brackets off engine along with the last remaining extra items.
Replaced the stock fuel pump for Grand National fuel pump.
Swapped out for correct knock sensor.
Began building dog bone/ignition module bracket.

Not alot of major work done tonight but all the little stuff seams to take awhile to get done.

Pete