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thecage's series III 3800s/c swap. by PBJ
Started on: 09-06-2004 03:27 PM
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Report this Post09-27-2004 10:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for linenoiseClick Here to visit linenoise's HomePageSend a Private Message to linenoiseDirect Link to This Post

Pete you continue to amaze me.
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Report this Post09-27-2004 10:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for thecageSend a Private Message to thecageDirect Link to This Post
Keep up the good work Pete. Can't wait to hear it running! What is planned for this week? How is the wiring coming along?
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Report this Post09-28-2004 10:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PBJSend a Private Message to PBJDirect Link to This Post
Working on the wiring, since this is a series III and is standard transmission I have 3 wiring harnesses that I am working with to make one.

2004 series 3 harness
1995 series 1 OBD1 harness
1986 fiero harness.

It is coming along very well.

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Report this Post09-29-2004 07:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mrfixit58Send a Private Message to mrfixit58Direct Link to This Post
Interesting work shop.

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Report this Post09-29-2004 07:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PBJSend a Private Message to PBJDirect Link to This Post
I like to wire up the engines at home. It takes about 6 to 10 hrs to re wire, because with having a full time day job and engine swaps on the go some evenings, I end up being away and not coming home untill the boys are asleep. So my big blue blanket has seen 4 wiring jobs now.

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Originally posted by PBJ:

I like to wire up the engines at home. It takes about 6 to 10 hrs to re wire, because with having a full time day job and engine swaps on the go some evenings, I end up being away and not coming home untill the boys are asleep. So my big blue blanket has seen 4 wiring jobs now.

Pete

So I assume mine was Big Blue Blanket Job #3 . That shore is a mess of wires there partner.

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Report this Post09-29-2004 11:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Bradbitz11Send a Private Message to Bradbitz11Direct Link to This Post
Lol, I never really thought of you using that room for that when I was there in august. LOL! Now that I think about it, though, it seems a nice place to be able to do it..


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See ya on the 16th!

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Report this Post09-29-2004 11:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for x-thumpr-xSend a Private Message to x-thumpr-xDirect Link to This Post
Damn that look so familiar, I did mine in the basement though and had a chair. Good luck with the wiring, I goofed up on 1 wire and it killed two altenators for me to find it. For some unknown reason I hooked up the altenators voltage sening input to the original cold start injector wire from the old set-up. Only got voltage upon start up, after that it wasn't sensing any voltage so It was constantly giving out full power and slowly frying the regulators.

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Report this Post09-30-2004 12:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PBJSend a Private Message to PBJDirect Link to This Post
A quick update,

The wiring is getting close. I will snap some, on car pics tomarrow to show some changes done at the shop on the car.



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Report this Post09-30-2004 09:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for thecageSend a Private Message to thecageDirect Link to This Post
Nice pile of wires but i've seen worse. Being in the audio/lighting field i've had massive wiring snakes that would scare the average person. Once again keep up the good work.

P.S. I did pick the best man for the job. That's because behind every great man there is a great woman.

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Originally posted by thecage:

That's because behind every great man there is a great woman.

Beck is great, I will be just getting into to groove and she will pook her head up and say "you done yet!" Makes me laugh, I wired Iannoy's engine out at the shop and it was a long 8+ hours. Now with my blue blanket I can take time out for a break and do other thinks like change diapers and other stuff.

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Report this Post09-30-2004 11:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for thecageSend a Private Message to thecageDirect Link to This Post
Do you prefer the wires or the diapers?
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Linus and his blanket
If you want to see a mess of wires, become an electricain. I'll show you wires that make your audio wires look good
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Report this Post09-30-2004 09:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PBJSend a Private Message to PBJDirect Link to This Post
Update time again.

The over head view.

The filler cap.

The dog bone/torque mount

The exhaust sytem.

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Do you prefer the wires or the diapers?


Actually, they both can start off overwhelming, and messing, but after a bit of time it all comes out as good as new. Just wires don't smell but neither can they smile back at you.

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Report this Post09-30-2004 10:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for thecageSend a Private Message to thecageDirect Link to This Post
Looking good Pete. What type of exhaust set up do you have there. Is the new throttle body in and was it any different than the first one you had. As for the CRX intake can water get in to the throttle body during heavy rains with wind? Didn't the fiero original have some type of damper or something like that to prevent water from getting in? How do you change or clean the air filter?
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Report this Post10-01-2004 06:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PBJSend a Private Message to PBJDirect Link to This Post
Your exhaust is one long glass pack modified by adding a T to the center for the inlet off the engine manifold. The throttle body you sent is the same other than yours has all the sensors with it so we don't need to purchase any more, yes that is the one you supplied on there now. The crx style cold air intake is used on countless fieros, including ours, the filter is within the space ahead of the lhs rear wheel. I suppose it is more possible to suck up water but I have not heard of a problem from any one. When you are at your car I will show you where it is and how deep of water you can get into. Also how to service the filter. We are planning on starting up the engine on Monday.

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Report this Post10-01-2004 10:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for thecageSend a Private Message to thecageDirect Link to This Post
Yahoooo!!!!!

P.S. Can you clean up the battery tray alittle for me and paint it black. Thanks

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hey Pete, Like the exhuast set-up. got any pics of the t set-up you put in?
Wish you were closer, like to do some of the mods to my car. I like the new dog-bone set-up.
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gotta love them battery trays eh... geeze meh time for a relocation to under the front headlight... somehow i always knew your car was a 3800SC car... just wasn't sure when it was gonna happen. Congrats Gabe... hope to see ya on the 16th.

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I am really looking forward to our next cruise coming up. Our local group is really having fun.

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Report this Post10-07-2004 10:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PBJSend a Private Message to PBJDirect Link to This Post
Out for a drive in thecage's s/c street machine. Runs great, I definately like the standard transmission. It will be hard, as always, to give up the keys when the owner comes by to pick up thier car.

Pete


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Nice work! Now lets talk more about these rims...........

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It will be hard, as always, to give up the keys when the owner comes by to pick up thier car.

Pete


Its gotta suck. Nice looking Garage BTW.

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Spoke to Pete last night and I could "hear" the smile in his voice as he was givening me the update on the first driving empressions of the car. It's a good sign to me when he says "this thing is a rocket and loud". What more can you ask for. He will be keeping the car for a couple of more days to clean up some wiring and putting on a few miles to work out any kinks if any before handing the keys over. (Sounded more like he was having too much fun to give up the keys) By the way it is true with people who have engine swaps done, you just can't get that silly grin off your face and I didn't even get the car back yet.

Becky, thanks for letting Pete take the time from the family life to get these types of projects done.


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All done! I have 100 kms on the vehicle now and is ready for.....

.........pickup on Wednesday!

I will snap off a few pics of the swap complete in a bit.

Pete

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in the wise words of "The Dodge Commercial Rednecks"
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It'll be nice to see on the weekend! I don't know how I missd this thread. I had no idea you were working on a 3800SC!

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Report this Post10-12-2004 04:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for thecageSend a Private Message to thecageDirect Link to This Post
S W E E E E T !!! Is right. Can't wait for tommorow. I didn't even sleep last night I can't even imagine tonight.

I won't be able to make it to the cruise Saturday sorry to disappoint some of you.

Not, just kidding looking forward to the weekend. I see a few more sleepless nights ahead.

Gabe

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U have a PM

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and the pics as promised.

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It looks even better in person. Of course those who haven't seen it will just have to trust me Btw Cage I'm sorry about the I left in your trunk.

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That's ok linenoise I know how you feel, I left the same on my computer screen not to mention some I left in your trunk at the last cruise. Now we're even.
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great work Pete, who knows maybe you just might get to put a 3800 in my new fiero in a year or if i can steal dads caddy long enough swap that NStar outa his car
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That's ok linenoise I know how you feel, I left the same on my computer screen not to mention some I left in your trunk at the last cruise. Now we're even.

Ahhh that what that was in the trunk

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Man that looks sexy! Not you Pete. I mean the engine! lol....I want one!!!

You know, seeing those wires spread out all over the living room reminds me of the time my wife caught me rebuilding (filthy)calipers on her nice dining room table. I wish I had a blue blanket. :{

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Well I picked up the car this afternoon at around 2:30pm and linenoise was right it does look better in person than in pictures.
Drove it around London for a bit just to test it and let me tell you holy sheeeat does that thing move. I've never had a car with that much power. Was pulling hard in every gear except 1st which came and went very quickly. I was only shifting at about the 3000rpm range was to afraid to go any further as it is scary fast for me. We stopped for lunch at Jack Astors and parked right beside a Corvette Z06 405hp and this time I was not intimidated to have my car next to a machine like that knowing I could hang with this guy without being embarraseed. Drove back to Brampton (suburb of TO) about a two hour drive without incident. The car performed perfectly. I could easily overtake anybody i wanted and could easily catch up to guys zipping by me doing 130K while I was doing 100K our speed limit at the time. This car sure is fun to drive and addictive. Got back to Brampton and had to take my son and a few of his friends for rides the expressions on there face was priceless. I just finally put the car in my garage for the night. For those of you conteplating this swap do not hesitate it is perfect. Badda Bap Bap Ba I'm loving it. I will keep everyone informed of the reliability and any glitches. Once again I would like to thank Pete for doing an outstanding job and I was honered to be the first 3800SC swap that he has done. I'm sure there are more to come.

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Sounds great thecage, let's see some more pics of that fastback

Pete, you have a PM

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I am glad to see the car worked as it should for you. I enjoyed having it for a couple days to "break in". I will pass on to Jim that you are very pleased with our work and your "new" car.

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1st off Cage congrats on the great looking swap. I hope you have a blast with that engine. Pete your the master of fiero motor swaps!!!!

I just hope next spring I could get insured to get the 4.9 swap done.

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