ok is this a pi$$ing match what is with all the bashing here? New at This so dont kill me right away just the facts please is this a cool site or shall we just call it a pissing site. Talk fiero not if archie or any one hurts you. Oh and what is this rate member stuff you have a following you can kick some one off. or keep them even if they are an a$$. fill me in.
Interesting first post. Could bookster or Capt. Ron be making a comeback? Time will tell.
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pokeyfiero Member
Posts: 16203 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
I just checked out that sight and i gotta say i feel so much better about my spelling.
I got my cam and lifters from WCF on saterday four days after paying for them.Thats pretty darn good. I got them installed and ready to go.I love putting cool stuff into my car.
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Firefox Member
Posts: 4307 From: New Berlin, Wisconsin Registered: Feb 2003
ok is this a pi$$ing match what is with all the bashing here? New at This so dont kill me right away just the facts please is this a cool site or shall we just call it a pissing site. Talk fiero not if archie or any one hurts you. Oh and what is this rate member stuff you have a following you can kick some one off. or keep them even if they are an a$$. fill me in.
Hey, Greg.....back so soon?
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Firefox Member
Posts: 4307 From: New Berlin, Wisconsin Registered: Feb 2003
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Wow......that's style!
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
ok is this a pi$$ing match what is with all the bashing here? New at This so dont kill me right away just the facts please is this a cool site or shall we just call it a pissing site. Talk fiero not if archie or any one hurts you. Oh and what is this rate member stuff you have a following you can kick some one off. or keep them even if they are an a$$. fill me in.
With an attitude like that you will find out soon enough. Just lose the attitude and you will be all right. But if you want to pi$$ a lot of people off you will be gone soon. The choice is yours.
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JeffMN Member
Posts: 1173 From: Crete, IL USA Registered: Jan 2002
Archie posted it for sale. Archie took questions on it. Archie even shipped it.
What dont you get?
You think I dropped 2k just to be able to give Archie a hard time. He sold something even if for someone else that he had to have known was not as advertised.
Why did Archie post it and not Rgeeinc? To provide credibility.
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SNMFX Member
Posts: 436 From: Los Angeles, CA 90026 Registered: Mar 2004
Any of you who work around these Custom shops knows how difficult and snail pace slow the CUSTOM car market is.
This isn't OVERHAULIN' where you will have a completely new ride in 7 days thanks to Chip Foose.
They are not only trying to improve the Fiero community with cool custom stuff, but these are the guys that fix our stock Fieros when they break down.
I won't take my 3 cars anywhere else, and everyone on here knows that money talks and the people pouring the most money into these shops will ALWAYS get priority!
I wait my turn like everyone else, and it is completely worth it!
These guys have to pay the bills just like the rest of us!!!
You just need to relax and learn to appreciate the service guys like ARCHIE and WEST COAST FIERO provide to the entire Fiero community.
These guys are our FIERO FRIENDS, and we all need Fiero Friends like these!
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Howard_Sacks Member
Posts: 1871 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Apr 2001
Understand the motor ran about the same from the day it went in to the day it came out. There was no degradation over time.
A "good" engine should be able to make 2 passes down the quartermile to quantify what kind of power it's making. No?
The heads didn't end up on the bench because they were just peachy. They ended up on the bench because there was something obviously wrong with the engine.
It's archie's fault because any reasonable person after using that engine would say there was something wrong with it.
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Howard, read what you wrote. After 5k miles of driving by you, (including quarter mile runs, not exactly easy on the engine), the valve springs had issues. Again, how is that Archie's fault? Did he ever claim to have the heads sitting on his workbench for inspection?
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Howard_Sacks Member
Posts: 1871 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Apr 2001
If you post a good working CD player in the mall and say it sounds good and works nice and when it is received it is obviously broken and not shipping damage, then yeah, I would hold you responsible.
I've said it before and I'll type it again, I was raised with morals. You obviously were not.
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So by what your saying is if I post something for sale in the mall for a local Fiero friend, I have to warranty the item
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
Yeah Oreif! You obviously have no morals! hahah.. Can't you see that from the reputation you have built here over the years... Always giving people good service, good product, and just being an all around nice guy...Duh!
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
If you post a good working CD player in the mall and say it sounds good and works nice and when it is received it is obviously broken and not shipping damage, then yeah, I would hold you responsible.
I've said it before and I'll type it again, I was raised with morals. You obviously were not.
But what if I posted I was selling a CD player for a friend, I heard it play a CD, you paid HIM for it and all I did was ship it??
Look, Archie rode in a car that had an engine in it and said it ran fine. He made no claims as to if the engine was running at peak performance or what the power was. The car just drove from California to Illinois so obviously a NORMAL person would assume it ran fine, The OWNER of the engine came right out in the other thread and stated that Archie did nothing but remove it and ship it. It was the OWNERS responsibility to make sure you got what you bought, after all it was the OWNER who you sent the money to, right?. It has nothing to do with morals dipstick, It is your lack of common sense that is the problem. If the engine was not packaged correctly then you could complain about Archie. As it was the OWNER sold you an engine that was not what you thought it should be or didn't run as expected. The funny part is you keep insisting it's Archie's fault and even new members who read the old thread agree you are blaming the wrong person. But alas, the narrow-minded cannot see the big picture so they must blindly blame others for their own lack of common sense.
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wkayl Member
Posts: 2912 From: Loveland, Co Registered: Feb 2000
Well here's a surprise, I've searched my files at the shop for each line of the above address & phone number & guess what? No one named Greg Westlake has ever ordered anything from me. No one with a Billing or shipping address of 6313 w canyon ave. Has ever ordered anything from me. I have never taken an order from or shipped to anyone in littleton colo 80128. A search of all files for a phone number of 7204220164 turns up nothing.
I also searched deposit records and in 2003 no one from Colorado purchased anything with Money Orders of any kind.
NOW, I'll call on the whole thing.
Archie
I have a way of finding information with just an address. I am not sure how updated the information is, but here is what a search of that address came up with:
Kenneth (last name will not be posted) 6313 W Canyon Ave Littleton, CO 80128 (720) 981-(last 4 numbers not posted)
I keep seeing the accusation of fraud thrown out many times. Fraud is against the law. Either Archie committed fraud (I haven’t seen enough facts to prove this) or you have committed slander (which looks to be easier to prove).
Just my opinion.
Arche, you have PM
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Howard_Sacks Member
Posts: 1871 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Apr 2001
But what if when it came to me, it was in a box taken apart with breadboards that were unusable? and when I tested the mechanism, it couldn't even spin to speed.
That's the equivalent of what I got.
I only bought it because Archie endorsed it and when he did, that the motor wasn't just some random person, but had the reputation of famous V8 Archie behind it.
Look, you're in bed with Archie. I said it years ago and now it's in public and proven with your swap. You're never going to admit that Archie made any mistakes here. Let it go.
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But what if I posted I was selling a CD player for a friend, I heard it play a CD, you paid HIM for it and all I did was ship it??
The valve springs prove it couldn't have.
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Look, Archie rode in a car that had an engine in it and said it ran fine. .
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Howard_Sacks Member
Posts: 1871 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Apr 2001
If all of orief's transactions were like my transaction involving Archie, he wouldn't have the following he seems to have.
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Yeah Oreif! You obviously have no morals! hahah.. Can't you see that from the reputation you have built here over the years... Always giving people good service, good product, and just being an all around nice guy...Duh!
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
The funny part is you keep insisting it's Archie's fault and even new members who read the old thread agree you are blaming the wrong person. But alas, the narrow-minded cannot see the big picture so they must blindly blame others for their own lack of common sense.
See here, Howard, this is the way it is.......
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Howard_Sacks Member
Posts: 1871 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Apr 2001
hey, had archie not brought me into this, I wouldn't have posted.
You were invited back into this thread so that you can work towards being banned & you're doing a very good job of it. After all it's you who said some time ago that you were leaving.
See, even the new guys can read your old crybaby threads and decide that you are way overdue to be gone.
You like to keep bringing this up thinking you might find 1 or 2 allies who are just as hard headed as you are. But I think that 9 out of 10 of the new guys give you the thumbs down when the read your story.
So don't be surprised if you get invited back more often.
Archie
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
But what if when it came to me, it was in a box taken apart with breadboards that were unusable? and when I tested the mechanism, it couldn't even spin to speed.
That's the equivalent of what I got.
I only bought it because Archie endorsed it and when he did, that the motor wasn't just some random person, but had the reputation of famous V8 Archie behind it.
Look, you're in bed with Archie. I said it years ago and now it's in public and proven with your swap. You're never going to admit that Archie made any mistakes here. Let it go.
I'm in bed with Archie for YEARS since I decided to do a V-8 swap a little over a month ago? Howie, You really need to see a shrink. You really need to have these paranoid delusions corrected. When all this came out in the original thread, I had no ties to Archie or his business back then. Actually I was only at Archie's one time before the initial thread and that was for a tech session sponsered by NIFE. Which was way back in April of 2002. The thread was originally posted in Novmber of 2002. You just ASSumed I was somehow for Archie because I live in Illinois.
There was 11 different PFF members who agreed you were blaming the wrong person. Were they all in bed with Archie as well?? And that was just on the first page of the original thread! My first post in that thread was one sentence. "Well after reading the above, It sounds like your blaming the wrong person. How is that "in bed" with Archie??? Did you use your captain cody decoder ring to find a secret message in one sentence? Oh wait, Isn't that the thread you thought Cliff and Archie were in bed together as well?? They have doctors that can cure you, really. You should seek help from a professional as soon as possible. It will only get worse if left untreated.
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newfierokid Member
Posts: 278 From: largo,FL, USA Registered: Feb 2004
Sigh... I can see this topic headed for the trash can.
It's topics like this that make me want to NOT get into the aftermarket parts biz, simply from uneeded stress. . . . IMHO, Archie is the top Fiero innovator. ---(quote: ME) "Genius requres patience by its followers."--- Nuff Said
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SNMFX Member
Posts: 436 From: Los Angeles, CA 90026 Registered: Mar 2004
on the whole thing.
