LOL You want info from me? You, the Nitrous god know it all? Puhlease, I am not falling for your little game here. Shaun I guess you forgot all of it then back when you sent me all those very insulting and flaming e-mails for weeks and even the few posts you even suckered another member into posting in my sons build up thread as well? I am not going to help you start another flame attack. Still trying to start stuff I see. Obviously you will never learn
I am just trying to find out so I dont' blow my freinds engine.
Whats the big deal?
Do you not want to help me install this kit?
WHy dont' you just tell me the jet sizes you are running? Waht jets did holley tell you to run and what jets did you end up installing?
How is this a "flame attack" according to you. I am asking a direct question as to what jets you installed. How is that an attack? Why dont' you just answer and help me out here.
Thanks
SH
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fieroparts.com Member
Posts: 4831 From: Maine 207-934-1969 Registered: Jun 2000
I was hoping this would be ignored and just go away but I see that is not meant to be...
Pretend innocence all you want... As I said the other day, following someone around asking the same question just because you think they lied about something is a 'flame attack' just as he said.. And it is harassment.. Get over it already. If you think he lied, and all your red bar buddies think he lied, just go on. You don't have to keep disrupting any thread he posts in asking the same question... and now you are even starting threads to try to cause trouble... And there were a few of us who actually thought you might learn something. Jokes on us, huh?
How is this a "flame attack" according to you. I am asking a direct question as to what jets you installed. How is that an attack? Why dont' you just answer and help me out here.
Send a him a PM
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12:32 AM
Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
Shaun, remember this lovely little e-mail you sent me (this was one of the nicer ones actually-we won't get into the nastier ones or the very insulting photoshopped pics you also e-mailed me ) right after I started the NOS install thread?:
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" Steve, you are such a liar. For one you are running a dry kit on your car. mistake number one. You have no provision for uppin the fuel pressure on your car like the dry kit requires. Two, even if you did, your current single fuel injector does NOT flow enough fuel to support an extra 75 shot! Thats roughly a 70 percent increase in fuel that you will need in order to run a dry shot!! I CALL BS!!!!! Why must you lie!! To try and hush your critics on your fake kit you try and do this stuff. Also your duke would not handle 2 minutes(roughly a 75 shot) on that Puke of yours. You are so full of it. Since the kit is installed. Lets see some dyno numbers, and an a/f reading. Its only $5 more for the WB reading so you should be able to afford it. Prove that you aren't BSING!!! lets see a pic of the nozzle in the air cleaner housing. I want to see where you mounted it"
So, since your are so much more the expert on this then even the guys at Holley and the install guy from Advanced Auto who obviously know nothing, tell me again now why you need my help?
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fieroparts.com Member
Posts: 4831 From: Maine 207-934-1969 Registered: Jun 2000
Shaun, remember this lovely little e-mail you sent me (this was one of the nicer ones actually-we won't get into the nastier ones or the very insulting photoshopped pics you also e-mailed me ) right after I started the NOS install thread?:
So, since your are so much more the expert on this then even the guys at Holley and the install guy from Advanced Auto who obviously know nothing, tell me again now why you need my help?
Steve your a bigger man then him, just let the pimple popping prick go **** himself.
And the REDSOX WON
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donk316 Member
Posts: 1952 From: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada Registered: Mar 2003
me too. I haven't followed all the argumentattive threads here, but when some one asks a legit Fiero question, I say answer it. IF it turns into something else, ignore it.
A couple of years ago, I posted in the mall looking to buy an 84 taillight assy. One of the guys in OT that I had many a heated political 'discussion' with, pm'd me and offered to send me one-FREE. EDsB-52. (I'm Back) He even polished it up 1st. Looked like a new one when it arrived. Thanks again Ed.
My point is that there is room for disagreement on many levels, but almost all of us certainly see the need for cooperation on Fiero related tech questions etc, and I've seen some pretty informative tech info posted by the Punisher here too, tho I have to admit most of it's way over my pea brained head. that's my 2 cents worth.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I would be gun shy too, if I was Fiero5. The Punisher has been baiting him into flame wars for a while now, so why should this be different? It's a shame too, because all who might have benefited from this will loose out now. You can only have so much fun with the members till it comes back to bite you in the a$$.
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08:34 AM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I would be gun shy too, if I was Fiero5. The Punisher has been baiting him into flame wars for a while now, so why should this be different?
That's my thought. I've seen Shaun trying to stir up grap in other threads and no answer Steve could give would be satisfactory. Just ignore him, Steve. Everyone knows he's a troll.
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Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
People need to lay off of Shaun. I dont understand. You guys bash him and bother him and well I think he is one of the most knowledgeable members on the forum. He just posts as he wants, he has no intentions of ruining someone's life. I mean if you guys think about what goes on anywhere on forums you would understand that he is just having a good time. I sold Shaun some headers and talked to him on the phone a while back and he was hella cool. Hell I accepted a personal check from him for $400 odd dollars, not a problem at all. I just thought I would add my opinion. I guess you guys can start flaming me now for representing him or whatever.
-Amir
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People need to lay off of Shaun. I dont understand. You guys bash him and bother him and well I think he is one of the most knowledgeable members on the forum. He just posts as he wants, he has no intentions of ruining someone's life. I mean if you guys think about what goes on anywhere on forums you would understand that he is just having a good time. I sold Shaun some headers and talked to him on the phone a while back and he was hella cool. Hell I accepted a personal check from him for $400 odd dollars, not a problem at all. I just thought I would add my opinion. I guess you guys can start flaming me now for representing him or whatever.
shaun speaks his mind and calls people to the carpet on what they say. i've found him to be a no bullsh*t kind of person. in today's world of everything having to be politically correct and worrying what people think of you, no one dares to say anything. the ones fighting back are those who are BS artists. people like fiero5, lou, gtdud and others who are tall story tellers try to hide behind their computer. and then cry foul when called out.
fiero5, shaun's asking for information about your set up. lots of us want to know more technical information. since yours is up and working why not share the details? as things stand now, it looks like you've got something to hide. (maybe you do?)
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ZeroC Member
Posts: 1664 From: Chilliwack,BC,Canada Registered: Jan 2003
I Agree Sometime The Pun Can Be ..Shall We Say Not "User Friendly" lol But He Has Brought Alot To PFF..
I Have Never Had A Problem With Him ...So Far He Is A Plus In My Book's
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10:28 AM
Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
No one is arguing whether he is knowledgable or not.. And no one is arguing about whether or not he is just after the truth. His ratings have nothing to do with his Fiero abilities or his 'looking for truth'. What this is all about, and his ratings bar, is that he trolls around trying to start trouble. It is the way he attacks people in his search for 'truth'. Shaun may think he is 100% right. Whether that is the case of not doesn't really matter. What does matter is that he becomes a jerk in his attacks on this forum and then when someone says something about it he just says "What? I'm just looking for information."
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10:29 AM
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Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
No one is arguing whether he is knowledgable or not.. And no one is arguing about whether or not he is just after the truth. His ratings have nothing to do with his Fiero abilities or his 'looking for truth'. What this is all about, and his ratings bar, is that he trolls around trying to start trouble. It is the way he attacks people in his search for 'truth'. Shaun may think he is 100% right. Whether that is the case of not doesn't really matter. What does matter is that he becomes a jerk in his attacks on this forum and then when someone says something about it he just says "What? I'm just looking for information."
i don't think he becomes a jerk. what if someone posted pictures and information about some new engine swap. say a 302 ford. claims it works and everything. people start buying 302 engines and tearing their car apart because they think it will work. turns out the 302 engine swap guy lied and actually photoshopped everything. wouldn't it be better to have someone correct the false information right from the start?
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10:40 AM
Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
But this 'lie' is not proven... And what if the guy in your example goes from thread to thread pursuing his prey and hijacking every thread the guy posts in with 'Hey! Tell me about that 302". And then as if that is not enough, he then starts a new thread with no more purpose than to continue his 'quest for the truth' that is really nothing more than a stab at his prey...
Now I don't know anything about nitrous other than it is cheat juice for people who can't build a real engine, but I'd say that the Fiero in question does have nitrous on it as evidenced in this magazine picture... So maybe the 'lie' is not a lie after all...
I don't know all the details, the fuill history of this fued... nor do I know EXACTLY how much each has contributed, bla bla bla. I haven't read any of the PMs sent either way.
But posting an "adult" Photoshopped pic of someone's kid is kinda harsh. I didn't see the pic, but that's a bit uncool to do.
It's fine to talk trash talk about yer cars, maybe you can take it to a drag strip someday, then have the cars decide.
"Can't we all just get along?"
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Now I don't know anything about nitrous other than it is cheat juice for people who can't build a real engine,
Um, yeah, you got it figured out.
Rob D.
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Jordan's car actually made it into a magazine, cool!! I wonder why we saw no mention of this on the forum? At least I didn't.
Because he would probably be accused of faking it or wasting forum server space... I have never seen anyone else on this forum get verbally raped like Fiero5...
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
Different strokes I guess... Where I come from it's about doing it the hard way. You can put nitrous on a Toyota and make it go faster... Not knocking it. Just saying that isn't how we do it... Even in lots of these new ricer movies when they come to the big race between the good guy and the bad guy they are saying "no nitrous' so they can see who's car is really faster. The first part is just my opinion. The last part is what I am seeing from these movies that make everyone build these street racer cars. They have to be putting that in those movies for some reason.
The guy in question won't race at a race track, preferring to street race, and has not produced time slips ro prove his results so far as anything I've read. He does troll regularly and flames anybody he disagrees with or does not accept.
Anybody installing NOS on a duke can get the info required at a number of sources. The question while legitimate at face value is not worth answering given the history.
Just because an amateur knows a few things, doesn't make them an expert or a reliable resource either. Information should be verified with the manufacturer or at least one other reliable source at best.
If a forum member's behaviour is anti-social, they should be ignored. Anti-social behaviour is the reason I barred Punboy from my PM's. It only took one anti-social attack on me to convince me.
Unfortunately, it takes a long time to correct a bad rep. What's the old adage, 'time heals all wounds'?
Because he would probably be accused of faking it or wasting forum server space... I have never seen anyone else on this forum get verbally raped like Fiero5...
he tells the tallest tales. and so people demand proof from him now.
Because he would probably be accused of faking it or wasting forum server space... I have never seen anyone else on this forum get verbally raped like Fiero5...
I find this funny, you all jump on bashing him with a mob mentality , one after the other following each other like lemmings with the desire to belong , gotta get my rating bar into the green so everyone likes me.
That being said Shaun is helping Chris Solano a good friend hook up the juice to the 4cyl. The ultimate goal here is to give the car some power while Chris is finishing his 3400 build. He picked up a kit from Shaun for the 3400 and said what the hell. While Shaun and Fiero5 haven't gotten along the best by anymeans , who better to ask than someone who has done it. Chris unfortunatley doesn't have the internet now as his house was hit by the hurricane.
All to often even the best contributors on this forum have looked back through threads to find out tidbits of info.
I feel sad for a lot of you guys who just enter a thread that shaun has started (or posted in) to bash him. There are a great deal of hipocrits here who love to point the finger at the """Troll""" but fail to realize that what they are doing is actually worse. One post about jet sizes for the duke from anyone with experience would have sent this thread intot he history books...case closed , querstion answered. But then we get the likes of the ""hero's"" of the forum that need to avenge and throw in their 2 cents.
IF you don't have the answer to the question , or can't post something related , then don't post. IF you do , you're just viewed like some knuckle dragger moron who lacks any attention in life so you need to make yourself be heard by jumping on the bandwagon. People like that rarely succeed , your always looking at what other people are doing and emulating their actions...be it good or bad.
PS: as to the comment about nitrous as an aid for people who can't build a motor. It's for people who want more...And has nothing to do with the quality of the motor, or care put into building it.
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12:23 PM
chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
True, but saying that people use N2O because they can't build a real engine is just plain IMHO...
On to the subject - maybe since the system was installed by someone else Fiero5 doesn’t really know what size jets are installed? I'd rather get no info then wrong info. KWIM
Rob D.
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
That being said Shaun is helping Chris Solano a good friend hook up the juice to the 4cyl. The ultimate goal here is to give the car some power while Chris is finishing his 3400 build. He picked up a kit from Shaun for the 3400 and said what the hell. While Shaun and Fiero5 haven't gotten along the best by anymeans , who better to ask than someone who has done it. Chris unfortunatley doesn't have the internet now as his house was hit by the hurricane.
This doesn't sound like someone who needs to ask for help from someone who he constantly accuses of lying about his nitrous. It does make for a nice alibi if he hadn't been calling the guy a liar in every thread for months now... Why would he ask advice from someone he accuses of lying about it?
" Steve, you are such a liar. For one you are running a dry kit on your car. mistake number one. You have no provision for uppin the fuel pressure on your car like the dry kit requires. Two, even if you did, your current single fuel injector does NOT flow enough fuel to support an extra 75 shot! Thats roughly a 70 percent increase in fuel that you will need in order to run a dry shot!! I CALL BS!!!!! Why must you lie!! To try and hush your critics on your fake kit you try and do this stuff. Also your duke would not handle 2 minutes(roughly a 75 shot) on that Puke of yours. You are so full of it. Since the kit is installed. Lets see some dyno numbers, and an a/f reading. Its only $5 more for the WB reading so you should be able to afford it. Prove that you aren't BSING!!! lets see a pic of the nozzle in the air cleaner housing. I want to see where you mounted it"
And of course, your next thing is that any of us who aren't in the red for our actions are only doing things to try to make us heros... Actually, no, we just remember when the forum was a nicer place without all the crap that the same people start over and over...
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
True, but saying that people use N2O because they can't build a real engine is just plain IMHO...
On to the subject - maybe since the system was installed by someone else Fiero5 doesn’t really know what size jets are installed? I'd rather get no info then wrong info. KWIM
Rob D.
Sorry you took offense to my opinion.. Hope I don't get a negative from you because we disagree.
BTW- I didn't make up the term 'cheat juice'. It's been around for a couple of decades.
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
maybe since the system was installed by someone else Fiero5 doesn’t really know what size jets are installed? I'd rather get no info then wrong info. KWIM
Rob D.
Exactly. That is also why in another thread when another member asked about installing NOS I suggested they consider contacting the manufacturer and also a local store like we did that has experience with NOS. Seeing pretty installed pictures and even detailed advice on the net is all well and good, but each car, engine, person and situation can be totally different and so who better to be able to help with specific knowledgeable info then the people who manufacturer it and those who sell and install it
I know some car owners who will have a garage do a full engine rebuild/install for example, and then just write the check and drive the car away when it's done. If they then post some pics of the install during and after, would you automatically expect them to know everything about the install even though it is clear they did not do it themselves? I certainly wouldn't, though I am sure a few might still be able to answer detailed questions even though they didn't do it themselves of course. But as we have seen on here all too often there will always be some after who will then ask detailed questions and when they don't get the answer they want or just don't like you for some reason, they then chase you around and try and pick apart, twist, insult and accuse you of misrepresnting something or accuse you of not willing to "share" the info when you then try and show off what you had done, no matter how you word it, reword it, re-explain it, etc, etc.
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