Don't mean to argumentative but if I were going to go to that kind of trouble I'd get rid of those stupid pop-up headlights completely. They are unreliable and look dumb when they're up. Just my opinion-thanks
What the hell ever Larry! Pop up lights are the best looking lights out there, and are the only lights that look good on a fiero. Besides they are still on the vetts because they are tight. You don't want to be arguementative but you call another man tastes stupid. It's alright Larry i still love u! You must have some taste to be on the fiero forum, just kidding!
I work at a audi dealership soo hopefully Ill be getting free ones as soon as someone smashes up there A6. Shouldnt have to wait to long,,half of all the body work the dealership does is audi based.
yeah, there's been a small delay, it's my fault.. the kit will be coming shortly after I can get a package sent off, I need to find a nearby Mailboxes Etc.
sorry... the kit is coming!
------------------ steve@digitalfusion.on.ca "Whoever said money can't buy happiness.. didn't have much of an imagination." - Steve King, 1997
Damn, those are some cool looking lights. I agree, if I was going to put them in my car, I wouldn't make them pop-ups...just my opinion. I really like that they have the three built in adjusters, that makes them extremely easy to install in a many different applications.
Thanks for pointing this stuff out to me, I'm glad it got bumped up, as I missed it the first time. Very cool looking lights, and about ANYTHING would be better than the stupid rectangulars on our cars. Heck, for 54 bucks a piece, I might actually finish this project!!!
Personally, I love the pop-ups. I've never liked the height that they opened though. I always thought they looked cool with the doors horizontal. WMac, your conversion is "Hella" cool!!!
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Feb 3rd, 2003
Fire451 Member
Posts: 314 From: British columbia, Canada Registered: Sep 2002
Steve and others, If your going top do a lite conversion like this (or any) you NEED to do a legal lite, it needs to be DOT approved.
I am not bashing you or your kit. Just correcting. Even though you lights themselves are rated they are not rated for your application so the rating is void. As it was never actually tested or approved for that application.
People should actually read the VC.
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Feb 6th, 2003
87GT3800SC5SPD Member
Posts: 307 From: Gig Harbor, Washington Registered: Oct 2002
I am not bashing you or your kit. Just correcting. Even though you lights themselves are rated they are not rated for your application so the rating is void. As it was never actually tested or approved for that application.
People should actually read the VC.
Here are some results from reading the Oregon Revised Statutes.
815.005 Consistent parts and equipment authorized. Nothing in the vehicle code shall be construed to prohibit the use of additional parts and accessories on any vehicle not inconsistent with the provisions of the vehicle code.
816.050 Headlights. Each of the following is a requirement for headlights as described: (10) Headlights that are required under ORS 816.320 and 816.330 and any part for such headlight that tends to change the original design or performance must be of a type that has been approved by the department under ORS 816.010.
The headlights used in this kit are DOT/SAE approved and in Oregon are legal. The Oregon Statutes do not limit a person to original equipment, but only require that all headlights meet the DOT/SAE standards.
The above does not speak to all states, only Oregon, and I would encoutrage anyone considering a change from original equipment to check your states statutes.
Even with original equipment lights, it is important that people take the time to properly aim their lights. It makes them more effective and keeps others from being annoyed. People who have issues with headlights most likely have not taken the time to aim them properly or fail to dim the lights when following or for oncoming traffic.
If this kit is installed and aimed properly, other drivers should not be able to know if it is a Fiero, an Audi, a BMW or a Ferrari that is behind them or the next oncoming car. These headlights are used in all of these cars and seem to indicate the lighting demands of their engineers and customers.
Wmac, do you have an update as to when kit might be ready?
------------------ Patrick Szewczyk 1987 Fiero GT, 5 spd, sunroof CDF clutch, Koni's all around, Ground Control coilovers in the rear, lowered 2" -dropped spindles-front, poly bushings: control arms-sway bars-cradle-motor-dogbone, rear sway bar, pioneer cd player, 180 stat, 176-166 fan switch, MSD Coil, Rodney Dickman's short shifter, bushings, etc..., 11.25" big brakes w/Ebrake, k&n filter, I have a 3800SC SII that's goin in soon w/ 3.25 pulley, comp cams vs cam, ported heads, haltech engine mngmnt, WCF headers, stainless exhaust, + 17x7.5 MiM Venezias wheels + 225/45/17 and 235/40/17's ---------------Also have a 1996 3800 Series II 25k MOTOR FOR SALE.
Don't mean to argumentative but if I were going to go to that kind of trouble I'd get rid of those stupid pop-up headlights completely. They are unreliable and look dumb when they're up. Just my opinion-thanks
You just called 3/4's of these people's cars headlights ugly, including mine. You just got a negetive rating...Just my opinion though-thanks
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87GTBro Member
Posts: 1223 From: Edinburg,TX,USA Registered: Oct 1999
Ok, I have a question about these lights. On the way home from the University tonight, the car behind me (I think it was a new BMW) had these lights that (from the angle I saw them) had a bluish tint. But when you look directly into them, they are bright white.
In other words, the lights are focused straight ahead, and anything off to the side (up, down, left or right) has this bluish tint.
Are these lights that are used in this conversion those same lights? I kinda like them. Really modern.
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Feb 7th, 2003
87GT3800SC5SPD Member
Posts: 307 From: Gig Harbor, Washington Registered: Oct 2002
Ok, I have a question about these lights. On the way home from the University tonight, the car behind me (I think it was a new BMW) had these lights that (from the angle I saw them) had a bluish tint. But when you look directly into them, they are bright white.
In other words, the lights are focused straight ahead, and anything off to the side (up, down, left or right) has this bluish tint.
Are these lights that are used in this conversion those same lights? I kinda like them. Really modern.
The lights that WMac used are use the halogen H9 bulbs. The same lamps are available using the DS2 HID bulbs. Those may be the ones that you saw from your description. Both are legal lamps. WMac will be able to better describe how his lamps look at night. These lamps are a great addition to modernize the Fiero lighting. As we make modifications to make our cars faster, we should be making technology changes to see better as well. It's both legal and smart to make these type of upgrades.
------------------ Bill Levin
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Feb 8th, 2003
87GT3800SC5SPD Member
Posts: 307 From: Gig Harbor, Washington Registered: Oct 2002
I am not bashing you or your kit. Just correcting. Even though you lights themselves are rated they are not rated for your application so the rating is void. As it was never actually tested or approved for that application.
People should actually read the VC.
Below is what I found in the Califormia Vehicle Code. I did not find anything that said llighting has to be tested or approved for a specific application.
Maybe you could help with some specifics.
Compliance With Lighting Equipment Mounting Regulations 24012. All lighting equipment or devices subject to requirements established by the department shall comply with the engineering requirements and specifications, including mounting and aiming instructions, determined and publicized by the department. Amended Ch. 723, Stats. 1979. Effective January 1, 1980.
Lighting Equipment Requirements 24252. (a) All lighting equipment of a required type installed on a vehicle shall at all times be maintained in good working order. Lamps shall be equipped with bulbs of the correct voltage rating corresponding to the nominal voltage at the lamp socket.
Mounting Height 24254. Whenever requirement is declared as to the mounted height of lamps or reflectors, the height shall be measured from the center of the lamp or reflector to the level surface upon which the vehicle stands when it is without a load. Amended and renumbered Ch. 341, Stats. 1969. Effective November 10, 1969.
Headlamps on Motor Vehicles 24400. During darkness, every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches. Amended Ch. 13, Stats. 1991. Effective February 13, 1991.
How come you didn't stay with the prototype metal bucket? Is the plexiglass a superior material to work with? What about a fiberglass version? Just curious... Looks like you generated a lot of interest here.
lets see some pics,and no more state codes,please,
There are several pictures on page 1.
Sorry for the long codes, but it seems like there is always someone like "cadaver" that posts information that is not correct and then suggests that others do research. It was clear that he had not read his vehicle code and thought that others should know.
I talked to WMac today about thses lights. He said that the plexiglass is much better because the aluminum frame that he make had too much flex. I'm sure that he can add more detail as he reads this post.
------------------ Bill Levin
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12:53 AM
GTDude Member
Posts: 9056 From: Keysville, Virginia, USA Registered: Nov 2001
Sorry, but I just don't like any of the standup HL systems. They keep the car from looking sleek. I prefer recessed lighting. This still give the car the sleek look we all like. Just one mans opinion.
Phil
------------------ 87 FIERO GT 2.8 5spd 0-60 in 6.8 seconds!
so how many people are making kits? it sounds like darklord and aus,fieroX,and stevenrossi,are all making lights.screw dot just make some cool ass lights!
I like the stand up HL, because during the day, you dont see them. and If these can be perfected, it would be nice to have lights that only pop up a few inches at night. And for anyone who has recessed lights, how do they work at night??
------------------ 1987 GT Many Mods Comming Soon (need more money) FieroGTR@Excite.com
What the hell ever Larry! Pop up lights are the best looking lights out there, and are the only lights that look good on a fiero. Besides they are still on the vetts because they are tight. QUOTE]
any of you guys that bought the light have you made your conversion yet?and the pic of the vett is fugly!!!i hope they dont kill the vett with that look.
OMG!! That's not going to be the new vette, is it!? Anybody else see what I see? Starts with an 'S' and has a goofy grille. Surely the chevy guys wouldn't want the new vette to resemble it!
BTW, those recessed headlights are ugly!
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