Aus - I don't know you or Dark - I'm just reading what's posted - that's between you guys. From your last post, I see that your kit has an undetermined finish date, so now I'm not waiting for it. If you (or anyone else who thinks it's their business) think I'm trying to push you, I'm not. Matter of fact, I even suggested you offer the main parts of the kit - this was a CONSTRUCTIVE comment that would have HELPED people build what they wanted AND got income $$ for you. You're welcome !
Nashco - You never expressed an interest in BUYNG this stuff either, but chime in with comments that add NOTHING and attempt to cause trouble. Tell me everything you know about product development - I've got a couple of seconds to spare.
I'll add this: I don't care if Aus sells this stuff or not. I WOULD like to know if someone/anyone is going to sell this stuff soon, because I would rather buy it than make it. ALL my posts were to (1) ask WMAC to post the dimensions he used, OR (2) find out IF and WHEN a kit would be available. Either way, those of us that WILL BUY would be able to get the headlights we want - That's it - plain and simple. ISN'T THAT WHY THIS THREAD WAS STARTED ?! Looks like some guys already have >$200 in lights waiting for a way to put them together ! I saw George Miller's headlights on his car - nice job, but I'm not ready to pay $700, especially since I now know the lights can be had for $250.
I thought this forum was to exchange information and promote good relationships. Well, that's what I've been trying to do. But snide comments from the peanut gallery don't do either one. I think that if you guys were actually going to do this, you won't be so defensive. And if you wanted to SHARE anymore of your ideas and information with the rest of us, you would have done it by now.
WMAC - again, nice job and thanks for sharing the pics and other info, but the dimensions and measurements sure would be helpful and appreciated for those of us that will actually try this project.
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PaulJK Member
Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001
By the way, another source for the bulb assemblies is AutoZone. My local store quoted me $71.99 per bulb assembly - hi beams and low beams are the same price. However, the wiring adapter is not available from them.
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Nashco Member
Posts: 4144 From: Portland, OR Registered: Dec 2000
Nashco - You never expressed an interest in BUYNG this stuff either, but chime in with comments that add NOTHING and attempt to cause trouble. Tell me everything you know about product development - I've got a couple of seconds to spare.
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So if I don't make an announcement on the forum telling Aus I would buy his kit, that means I'm not going to buy it? I also didn't make an announcement to tell everybody I was going to buy groceries, but I did that last week anyway. I feel my comments did add something..they added support to Aus for developing his kit and to ignore those poking him with a sharp stick telling him he should be done already.
As for everything I know about product development, frankly, I don't feel that you deserve a listing of my qualifications. Sure, I have qualifications, but I'm not about to waste my time justifying myself for no reason...especially after your insulting remark.
You're right...this forum is about exchanging information and promoting good relationships (among other things); this being the case, I don't understand why you would doubt Aus and tell WMAC what you think he should do. Aus has never failed to produce what he says he is going to (despite major catastrophic events along the way) and if wmac doesn't want to share his work...lay off!
Were you the kid at the grocery store that had a fit when his mom told him he couldn't get what he wanted? Take two deep breaths and grow up dude...it will be ok. If you want the lights so bad, make them yourself, as you seem to think product development is easy.
You said, "But snide comments from the peanut gallery don't do either one"...perhaps you should reflect on who the peanut gallery is in this situation.
Sorry if my last post offended anyone. I just know that Aus is probably one of the nicest members on the Forum, and last I heard he had a lot of things on his slate. I hope no one is upset at me...I ment what I said in the nicest way possible, after all lights can wait
Good Luck all!
Steven Rossi
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PaulJK Member
Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001
Nash - you ask an honest question, I will give you an honest answer. See my post dated 05-07-03 for the timeline. I'm not telling anyone what to do, WMAC said he would post the template and never did. I've NEVER said OR implied that AUS should be done - REPEAT- I'm Only trying to find Out if ANYONE will produce this because I Would Rather BUY this than Build It. From the posts, AUS was Most Likely. Are You Not Reading All of These ?
i admitted i did not want to do this unless i had more info. But if you're genuinely interested in this project, AND You can do more than post insults AND you know product development, YOU do it using only the info WMAC has already posted and YOU post the dimensions for those of us who want them. Better yet, be constructive and help AUS do it. i will be glad to give you my undying admiration and an apology for doubting you. (From only the info given this far, I honestly think it would be difficult, pretty much like starting from scratch). Put up or shut up, man, this is getting none of us anywhere.
This post sat idle from March until I started it again in MAY, and I did to try to get the topic moving again. I assume that the orginal posters who helped move this along, still want to complete it - people who found and posted part numbers and already bought lights. But No one HAS a kit, or has COMMITTED to a DATE for 1, OR has posted #@!@#$ measurements or dimensions, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THEM !!
Instead of giving me crap for trying to get a way/ANY way to finish this project, why don't you guys rag on the guys that let this hanging ?
SO let's just FORGET I BROUGHT THE FRIGGIN THING UP AGAIN. Maybe Those of us that Will Do This Ourselves Can share the info by e-mail or PM and avoid this personal crap .... Man, let's stop this and do something to get us somewhere ...
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
This thread reminds me of the lowrise headlight kit I fabricated for my old MR2 Turbo. Yes, I know it is an MR2 not a Fiero, but I was thinking of doing a similar conversion for my 88 GT. The MR2 headlights are very different in that the door is attached to the headlight bucket, so I had to shorten the stroke and connecting rod on the headlight motor to get the lowrise effect. The lights are driving lights, but plenty bright enough.
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
You put it in as HTML code. HTML doesn't work on this forum, therefore <IMG SRC=http... won't work here. You have to use the UBB code which is [ IMG] [ /IMG} with the URL between. (Note extra space added after [ so that it would show.)
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Well, I didn't really want to say anything until they are done, but I am currently working on a similar setup that WMac did, with one exception, they will have REAL HID bulbs in them. I don't know how much longer it will take to get them together and what not, but right now I am hoping for the end of Feb. for them to get completed.
So, just to let you guys know, a few of you knew, but not many, so. . . .
Eric
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PaulJK Member
Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001
Well, I didn't really want to say anything until they are done, but I am currently working on a similar setup that WMac did, with one exception, they will have REAL HID bulbs in them. I don't know how much longer it will take to get them together and what not, but right now I am hoping for the end of Feb. for them to get completed.
So, just to let you guys know, a few of you knew, but not many, so. . . .
Eric
Eric, Has this project been completed? Just wondering...
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TaurusThug Member
Posts: 4271 From: Simpsonville, SC Registered: Aug 2003
Bumping again for SOMEBODY, Aus, Eric, WMac, whoever to tell us whats goin on. Heck, if I could just get a template or something I'd be stoked. I can do the rest from there. Dimensions and such? Something, please!
BTW, Vendors: If you want to sell these, consider offering just the new buckets and not the lights. People can get the lights anywhere at any time. I'd like to buy just a bucket so I have em and I can work on getting the lights themselves when I have the time and money for them. That would really bring down the cost and you'd get a lot more sold.
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Master Tuner Akimoto Member
Posts: 2267 From: South Florida,USA Registered: Jul 2003
How much would you be willing to pay and how much is fair? the problem is making the item to sell as a kit to make it worth while for your time in R&D then some one telling you that you are trying to get rich or send me the drawing for free that is why they are not produced.
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Fastback 86 Member
Posts: 7849 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Sep 2003
How much would you be willing to pay and how much is fair? the problem is making the item to sell as a kit to make it worth while for your time in R&D then some one telling you that you are trying to get rich or send me the drawing for free that is why they are not produced.
What is your time worth to you? I'll pay for the drawing and work on it from there if thats what you want to do. I'm in the middle of an engine swap right now, so I won't be able to afford much more than a schematic or template. I just want to get my hands on AT LEAST the schematics so I can work on them later when I have the time and money.
Maybe some people will want to pay for a full kit, or just the buckets without the lights. The lights themselves are a huge part of the expense. Let people worry about getting the lights themselves and sell just the buckets. That would be the cost of materials, plus your labor to make them. If a total kit would be around $500-$600, with the lights being nearly $400, that would make a set of buckets $100-$200? I think thats plenty reasonable for ready made fiberglass buckets.
Just the template? Under $100 I would think. $50-$100? Enough to cover the material and your time.
Just schematics to make your own? Under $50 since its just a piece of paper. You do need to cover R&D of course, which is where most of that would go.
Fastback, I am still working on them. Things are going painfully slow, however, due to working with the taillights, and a new girlfriend. But I am hoping to have the prototype done at the Dells. They are going to be in Purple Reign's car. Designing the buckets is proving to be a lot harder than originally thought. I will keep you updated.
Eric
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Fastback 86 Member
Posts: 7849 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Sep 2003
Fastback, I am still working on them. Things are going painfully slow, however, due to working with the taillights, and a new girlfriend. But I am hoping to have the prototype done at the Dells. They are going to be in Purple Reign's car. Designing the buckets is proving to be a lot harder than originally thought. I will keep you updated.
Eric
Thanks Eric! I know I haven't bugged you about them in a while. You stopped coming into the chat!
hi that page one kit would be a dream kit for me, Aus dont give up! mate!...good luck and hang in there.....................$18,000 fraud,.OUCH!, i hope that soon you can put that debt behind you, good luck on your new ventures.....................................sincerely...................................
ps any product offered in the betterment of the fiero community is a good thing......
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Flyguyeddy Member
Posts: 568 From: pekin, Il USA Registered: Dec 2003
i gotta bump this to get some more news. when are they being built? can you please post the measurements wmac? or maybe just pm them to those who want them. i would defiantely appreciate it.
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Fastback 86 Member
Posts: 7849 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Sep 2003
Maybe WMac would be willing to release drawings or sell them to someone willing to make copies for other forum members? Sounds like a good winter project.
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Sep 28th, 2004
birdpoo Member
Posts: 251 From: 33N,117W, sunny, no snow or road salt ever Registered: Sep 2001
..."I sat down with some measuring tools and my stock headlite bucket assembly and designed a bucket that is 3" lower than the stock one. the height was dictated be the height of the new lites...." ---indeed, very ingenious...(to think i ve been contemplating changing the gear ratios inside the motor to do the same thing ..lol) . props to WMac.
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Flyguyeddy Member
Posts: 568 From: pekin, Il USA Registered: Dec 2003
Not enough serious commited interest to start producing them for sale just promises "I want a set now" then if it is produced and ready for sale "oh may be next year" or"they are too expensive " so that is how it stands for now .
