quote Originally posted by I Annoy: I really wish people would stop trying to bring back the Fiero. As a GM model it failed. Probably 75% of North Americans still associate the Fiero as a crap car that caught on fire. Why on earth would GM won't to bring it back. Get real people. If the Fiero ever did come back, it would mean our cars are old crappy version. Look at the Beetle. It lost a lot of it's value and prestige once they brought back the new one. No one will disagree that the Fiero was probably ahead of it's time, but take that into account as well as the fact that it was only made for a brief 5 years and has a bit of a cult following and that is where most of the appeal for the Fiero is. One of the main reasons I drive a Fiero is that I am one of the few. Let it go people.

I 100% agree with Vince here. I also like being one in a few that drive a fiero. plus it's fun when people have no idea what your driving.

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Well, first off, I'm not talking about having GM build a Fiero, so we don't have to convince them to - we just have to convince them to let us.

And you're right that Fieros already have bad enough of a name. Maybe people would think twice about that after seeing a new model (not mass produced, but a model badged with the Fiero name anyway) that kicks ass.

So if done right, that would also probably make the value of your classic Fiero go up. I wouldn't think anyone would wanna argue with that!

Instead of GM bringing back the Fiero...maybe we could be satisfied with the Next Best Thing...in last month's issue of Hot Rod, it was revealed that new steel bodies are being manufactured, to factory specs, for the '69 Camaro, with the 67 Mustang planned next. These are not being manufactured by GM, but a license is being sought from GM to use the Camaro name. 15 grand buys you a new '69 Camaro unibody and subframe. Maybe if the Fiero community went that route, we could even implement things the factory denied us, such as electrohydraulic power steering, T-tops, better brakes, etc...of course, I'm just dreaming here. Most members of this community would not buy a new spaceframe if it cost over a hundred bucks.
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GM car names have come and gone, and come back again. I don't think the Fiero nameplate has near as much popularity and definitely isn't associated with reliability as say, Malibu, or Impala. In 1988, the price of a V6 Fiero wasn't much different than a V8 Camaro. If I was a new car shopper back then a Camaro would have been in my driveway. GM has never been very successful with two seaters (except Corvette). If I was an employee at GM and I had to come up with reasons to justify naming the new Pontiac 2 seater with the retro Fiero name, I think I would get shot down (or laughed out of the room) in short order.

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Ok i'm not saying having GM produce these cars. I'm just saying pitch them to GM to let us have the Fiero name badge. Ok well here's a change of plans, and I guess i'll have to pitch this to you guys and get it passed first it looks like lol.

Those Chevelle fanatics got the "ok" to use the Chevelle badging(i'm betting a price) and built they're own Chevelle. Not sure of they're method of completely new or w/e but they did. Also GM or Chevy is not at all selling this car, they are. Only $ GM made outta this deal was the cost of using the Chevelle name.

So what i'm saying is, it would be a little out of the way to actually have completely new frames & etc. What i'm talking about is using parts car, decent frames, and sitting they're and sandblasting the frame(& repair any damage if some) and basically making it "new". Then as I said, whatever design & "model" we finally agree upon we do so to the cars we have used(depending on how many ppl, i'm saying maybe 10 at the most so far...). Now it's not going to be a "2008 Fiero" it's going to be a "1984 Fiero(insert model we picked" here. Basically restored and "modern". People we be awed of the custom work(and making it look factory but great) and even more awed when they see 1984 or 88 or w/e.

Now I realize a lot of us are spread apart, Well that fanatic car group actually had they're own car company(can't remember what) that sold they're car. Well we could do the same, and say for rough estimate we do 10 cars. Well all the members on the east coast could do 1, and west coast, south, and Canada, and so on. You get my point. Well i'll go into more detail later, but i'll try to get this pass you guys first.

quote Originally posted by Shadow_Wolf: Personally, I like this one;

I am with Shadow on this one. This looks very modern and if we modernized the dash with airbags we would have a nice 2008 fiero. I find this body style very appealing, especially the front facia and lights.
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I agree, I say that would crowned the fastback model. Might be a change or two, but minimal, this is very sharp & modern looking. Also please read my post above this please.

Anyone want to draw up a notchback model and general group decision, is the above drawing good for a "fastback" model?? If no, tell me what you want changed. Thanks.

Hopefully as the weekend comes to a close, more members will be seeing this thread and will catch the fever.

I really would like to have a brand new Fiero, not even built from the old ones, but you gotta do what you can to get what you want, right?

How about if we start this way: post what changes you would like to see made to Fieros, and maybe we can make it happen with a new model. What options do you wish your car had? What engine would you prefer? Any particular body changes? How could the interior work better for you (I smell different speaker sizes coming )?

When you're done with that, come up with the things you would like to stay the same. For example: space frame, mid-engine design, non-corroding body, two-seats, etc.

Please, if you don't like the idea, don't shoot it down! Just let those who are interested entertain you with the build-up thread of a lifetime.

Once again, very great words Tim, couldn't have said better. Do you have AIM man?? You seem very interested in this project, so give me a IM at MasterJosh8608.

I don't see anything wrong with using an existing space frame, if I had the link I would post it, but a member here completely sandblasted & made the spaceframe "new" and rustfree. So nothign wrong with those in my opinion.

Also i've spent the greater part of today checking out several exotic cars & sports cars interiors for ideas to make the interior better. I personally plan on having a Finale kit, so at the same time, my car is going to be "living" proof of my "modernized" Fiero design for a modern Finale(using the finale kit mainly though!) model. But it's not going to be the concrete decision for the finale model, cuz it's my car so yeah..but if we don't agree on it we can pick a different design look on it. I'm in the work of drawign a notchback model, and will post when I get it a least decent looking. Peace.

Bump! Did you find that thread about the frame?

I dont think GM will ever build a new fiero (and honestly I dont care) so the best bet is to build your own. Buy a cheap fiero and build a kit! I really like that orange photoshop, its cool and modern but you can still tell it is a fiero. it looks possible to build something like that on a stock fiero frame....
Right now I am building my "2004 fiero" interpretation. I try to use the stock fierolines but with added modern lines and parts. Still the orange one would look much better
Heres an impression of how I want to do the interior:


The idea was an upgraded version of the stock "modular" dash...a bit of a conceptcar interior look. And some retro-like accents in CF and aluminium. Anyway, I just started building it and that means several things already have been changed.
IMO Photoshop and a 3D modelling program are the best tools before you start building. Its priceless to try out different designs, materials and colorcombinations etc.

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I'd hate to sound rude Fie Ro but that's what I said about us building our own like the Chevelle fanatics did lol.

Anyways I would greatly appreciate you in on this project, your 3D modeling skills are insanely amazing man. Great work. And does anyone know where that thread is at where that guy has his whole frame on some machine that let him turn it in any direction so he could sandblast all of it & etc. I spent an hour, no joking, on searching & no luck. Thx.

Here's a update. No pictures, but I have done a few "finale" model drawings. Trying some different parts & etc. I've also worked on the notchback design some. I guess only Tim & I are interested & Fie Ro lending in his hand of for interior modeling(and possible exterior if he'd like).

quote Originally posted by Fiero Finale: Here's a update. No pictures, but I have done a few "finale" model drawings. Trying some different parts & etc. I've also worked on the notchback design some. I guess only Tim & I are interested & Fie Ro lending in his hand of for interior modeling(and possible exterior if he'd like).

It looks like fun to try out some ideas with you guy's but first I would like to see some scans of your ideas before jumping in. To get an idea which direction you're thinking For the exterior I will need an accurate .3ds or .c4d model. I got some .max models but I cant open those in Cinema4d...

I'll try to scan the pictures in the next few days, i've always had problems with the scanner so we'll see.

So as any took any stabs at any style besides the Finale & notchback or if you have took a stab at the notchback I would like to see your style. Also any new model styles are appreciated. Thx.

My Fiero replacement (I wish!) Mid-engined, fiberglass body panels, great looks, fantastic performance.
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Sorry dude, I've been out of town. Would more people please look at this project/idea and contribute? I think it's an awesome one and expected it to catch more interest. What gives?

Designs, designs! Ideas! Feed me!

Thank you Tim for not letting this almost die lol. I love the PC monitor idea, maybe we could have it "flush" with the passenger side dash?? Who knows, would be neat.

Since this is a small project how many engines "options" should we limit it to?? 4 cyclinder(maybe quad 4 like Tim said), V6, and V8(oo this ones going to be a hot debate lol). Who knows.

Also I thought it would be neat to have fender vent slits on the upper fender like this

Now my idea is not just for looks. The air from the front of the car would go through the radiator and the front compartment area would be closed off aka dam, and would be directed soley to these vents. 1, not allowing air to go under the car and not causing lift on the front at high speeds and causing it to go up and through the car through these vents ontop. Second, this could be a optional spot for a Nitrous Oxide purge point on each side, but optional like I said.

Well that's all for now.

EDIT: I'm talking about the vent style on the left side, not the kind on the top right.

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Good question about engine options. How about two models, one for economy, and one for sport? Perhaps a milder 200hp Quad 4/Ecotec for one model and a nice 350 SBC-powered version with twice that power?

Air vents in front: great idea, a plus to function and to style. Now here's a potentially stupid question (remember I am a newb to all this!) - is there any way to set up some type of ram air system that can be routed from vents in the front of the car through the body, through the engine compartment, and out the back for cooling and aerodynamic purposes combined? That would make for one "cool" car.

Another specification for this vehicle I'd like to throw out there for review: "lightweight." Could we keep this car close to 2000lbs? Also, the aerodynamic drag coefficient of the Fiero is pretty good, and I'd like to see that remain the same or improve in the new model.

Hell, everything about this car should be better. Fieros are 20 years old. We can make it more lightweight, more powerful, better handling, safer, more luxurious, more aerodynamic, and better-styled if we want to!

First off, Tim get on AIM you late night insomniac lol. IM me.

Ok i'm not about the ram air thing, would have to think that one out. 2000lbs doesn't seem bad....for an "updated" fiero. But we gotta do lots of light weight things so make it less then the stock Fiero, which is like what 2500? Yeah I think we should have two packages Tim, economy & sports, sounds good. Lets get this brainstorming going

Bump!!

Sorry, I've been gone... I'm a highway escort driver (no, not in the Fiero) and I've been on the road to Michigan a couple times in the past few days, and to a few other places, with no time inbetween and computer problems on the side. I've had some time to think up ideas and as soon as I can get a few issues resolved and find some time I'll be back to post more!

I'm really disappointed that this hasn't gotten more attention. There is excellent potential for an awesome project with amazing results, and a good likeliness that it could be pulled off. And what, besides time, do you have to lose by posting ideas and doing some design work? This could spawn countless great ideas for mods on our [old] Fieros, for those that don't want to be involved in a larger, more complex project.

Thanks Tim, I thougt my envision was going to die & go to the archives.

Well i'm starting out on the design work because.........*drum roll*

I got my very own & first Fiero Sunday!!!! Check my thread I posted "Part 2: Got my Fiero..." for info about my Fiero.

Right now i'm working on a custom dual cold air intake, since I have a digi cam I will post my ideas once I take some pictures. So anymore ideas????

quote Originally posted by Fiero Finale: Thanks Tim, I thougt my envision was going to die & go to the archives. Well i'm starting out on the design work because.........*drum roll* I got my very own & first Fiero Sunday!!!! Check my thread I posted "Part 2: Got my Fiero..." for info about my Fiero. Right now i'm working on a custom dual cold air intake, since I have a digi cam I will post my ideas once I take some pictures. So anymore ideas????

Whoo! Awesome, congrats on the purchase! I'll have to go check out the thread.

I like the sound of that intake... and pics? *rubs hands together in anticipation* Looking forward to it! I'll post when I've got some more time...

Well no pictures. You should really get online Tim. Any other people who are interested in this project IM me anytime i'm on at MasterJosh8608.

But I was drawing some rough plans for the dual CAI and of course you would have to have the battery relocated. BTW I plan on having a lot of these designs for the "newer" Fiero to beable to be used on Fieros we all have now. Like my dual CAI idea, once it's finished any person can do it to they're Fiero too, I may make a kit who knows. But i'm doing most of these things to my own car so yeah. Still working out the flaws on the dual cai idea so yeah.

So I found this on the 3rd page once again...........I'm guessing not to people interested in this??? *shrug*

i will try to draw up some plans for body and engine bay asap i was thinking the 5.7 motor in the new gto would be great and also the getrag tranny out of the mg mini its a 6 speed and would work well for a mock up. If anyone has seen this kit or so it says its the 1990 concept fiero i like the way the engine bay opens up http://www.mrmikes.com/20thAnniversaryPontiacMichiganShow.htm also the 4 seater conversion is on this page... sporty economy car?

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Very well spoken Vamp, btw do you have aim & what part of Illinois do you live in?? PM me.

But everyone can benefit from this. I mean yes a lot of this will encompase exterior re-designing that not everyone would probably do to they're own Fiero. I'm using my own car as a basis for to show for this project, doing it to my liking but showing it as the "finale model". But several of the ideas, and hopefully more to come, will be used by many fieros on here. Like majority of the "internal" mods, like my dual cai idea like I said before. So whether your giving a helping hand for the redesign of the Fiero or thinking of mods like I said for instance the dual cai we can all benefit from it.

more shameless bumps if you dont like it dont read it lol

ok this is the last bump before i give up on a group project and go it alone for awhile. but im always accepting help. sorry to steal your idea finale but i really liked it! and think it has some potential. i will start scetches and design plans while im doing my 3.4 swap after that is done i have a gt im going to buy and transform into something great.

Talking about ideas is easy...! Making them really work is another big step. You guys should start using a stock fiero to build and try out your ideas before you even get close to building a new car from scratch.
Stop dreaming and start building! (oh well I still do both )

if it was designed as a unibody they would be more likely to build it since it wouldn't require equipment from a saturn factory - unless it was pitched as a new saturn (shudder)

I also think a 4 wheel strut setup would make it cheaper to make - (using as many current GM parts as possible) like the 11.25" camaro/caddy brake upgrade - 2000+ pontiac struts and spindles -

the base model would probably be an 4cyl with getrag with the performance model being the 3.8sc with manual stock and optional comp-g

basicly build a new fiero fromt he ground up using as many parts currently in production as possible

then all they have to do is the frame and body and they already know which components to use.. it'd be like someone handing them a free car design (development costs are HUGE)

you'd basicly be handing over a car show worthy concept car that they could take to detroit and get good media coverage of.. even then they migh not do it

i was thinking why not use that new global v6 thats there putting in everything. 3.6 liter and its making more power than the 3800 Series III NA. so a 2.4 ecotec for the base model and a 3.6 for the GT that way we get ot keep the 2m4 and 2m6 badges first thing to do would to have an option that would give you a frunk instead of a spare tire. i need to stop this before i make the post liek 87 pages long.

double post sorry

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