quote Originally posted by MiZer: so it would seem. but out schlomo.

Take it to PM’s? Butt out? That’s pretty hypocritical coming from you since your always posting some negative useless comment in someone else’s threads all the time. Since you are such a positive addition to this forum lately with all of your cheap shot jabs and insults I guess everyone should just PM you first from now on before posting anything anymore?
BTW: Notice how butt is spelled and tool isn't spelled toole either.

It's sad that we still seem to have a few on here that obviously have nothing better to do than to keep trying to stir up trouble.

Edit: I own page two

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quote Originally posted by skydad: I have never driven a 4 cylinder Fiero, although I just sold a V-6 one. How does the 4 cylinder compare in performance to the 2.8 liter V-6? I know its got to be less, but is it "doggie" or just a little less? Thanks.

If you get a manual trans with a 2.5L they are OK for around town. 0-60 is around 9-10 seconds and 1/4 mile is 18-19 seconds.
V-6's run about 7-8 seconds and 15-16 seconds
They do not have "similar" performance as a V-6. The V-6's have decent pull up thru the RPM band, The 4cyl's flatten out too soon.
If you get a 4-cyl car, The 4.10 4-spd is better than the 5-spd for around town. With a few mods the 4-cyl makes a decent daily driver.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: It's sad that we still seem to have a few on here that obviously have nothing better to do than to keep trying to stir up trouble.

take a look in the mirror dude.

maybe you should start a band wagon to vote me off the island as well. toolebag <----Homage to somone there, not a spelling mistake.

The main reasons I sold my Fiero were the terrible clutch problems, and the horrendousness of the 4cylinder duke.. They are slow.. Actually the slowest car I've ever driven. Plus they sound like ass, imho.. I'd try to dump it, and it would almost bog down..

Like a v6 Firebird... Oh man my old toy was so boggy it wasn't even funny...

I have an 88 coupe 5spd that many would say runs "like a bat outta hell". As fast as a V6? Absolutely not. Fast enough for fun? Sure! I have no troubles whatsoever keeping up with V6 Fieros in the curves. I also get 30mpg and I put my foot in it all the time.
I've had two or three people who drove my car try to convince me not to do the 3.4 TDC swap since my 2.5 runs so reliably, and performs pretty darn well.. enough.
Well enough just isn't enough for me ;-)
-Steven

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quote Originally posted by Steven Snyder: ...Well enough just isn't enough for me ;-)

The first rule of hotrodding. "If 'more' is enough, then 'too much' is just right."

How about any of you that added dual's to your 4 bangers. How did you do it. I know the Indy's came with dual exhaust.

Where they using a modified V6 exhaust ?

2 identical cars, one with 92 hp and one with 140hp will not be comparable! No matter how you look at it.

quote Originally posted by CoolBlue87GT: How about any of you that added dual's to your 4 bangers. How did you do it. I know the Indy's came with dual exhaust. Where they using a modified V6 exhaust ?

The first dual exhaust I put on a few of my Fieros were a custom setup made by a welding guy I was freinds with up street. This ended up being more expensive even though I knew the guy due to the time it took to bend and shape each of the pipes to line up at all with the stock mountinmg points underneath. It was pretty much one pipe clamped on after the Cat and then a hole cut in another pipe that was bent in the shape of a C with the single pipe welded into the center of the C pipe where the hole was cut thus creating the look of two pipes out the back which had exhaust tips mounted on the ends. Having it done this way we didn't have a muffler included in the build up so it was tricky getting the Fiero inspected each year without a muffler. Some resonator tips are considred mufflers in many states including NH and arguing this point would eventually get a sticker if everything else passed and they just wanted to get picky about no muffler.
Then as we got more into Fieros we discovered that since the Indy was released the first year as well, the hanging points underneath even on the '84 models were for both a single and dual setup. All we had to do was obtain a good condition dual exhaust from any model that had dual (usually a V6 is easiest to find) and then it is very easy to have mounted on a 4 banger. Clamp it down from where it mounts at the cat and then the stock hanging points line up both from the dual exhaust and under the body.

Steve

quote Originally posted by CoolBlue87GT: How about any of you that added dual's to your 4 bangers. How did you do it. I know the Indy's came with dual exhaust. Where they using a modified V6 exhaust ?

No modification needed; the muffler / tailpipes from a V6 will bolt right up on the 4. Looks like this:

quote Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT: 2 identical cars, one with 92 hp and one with 140hp will not be comparable! No matter how you look at it.

More like 98hp and 135hp.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: More like 98hp and 135hp.

Actually the rating depends on the year. The earlier dukes were rated at 92HP and the earlier 2.8's were rated at 140. I think the 98 and 135 numbers were introduced in 87

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1984 Fiero SE

quote Originally posted by ditch: people don't get more clueless than this

Oh Man... please don't go dredging that up... someone started with a legit question and every flamer and wannabe jumped in and ruined what could have been an interesting thread there. Linking to the trash can threads is bad protocal...

quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: .... someone started with a legit question and every flamer and wannabe jumped in and ruined what could have been an interesting thread there. Linking to the trash can threads is bad protocal...

Scott, yes someone asked a legit question, 20 people or so stated the fact that a 4 banger Fiero is quite different in performance than a V6 one. One person posted incorrect facts saying they had similiar performance. People are going to pickup on that, we aren't all dumb.

Saying a 4 banger Fiero has similiar performance to a 2.8 Fiero is the same as saying a 2.8 Fiero has similiar performance to a 3800SC or SBC V8 Fiero.

In the end we are here to share correct info, when incorrect facts come up, people will dispute it, they always have, they have a duty to not make exaggerated / false claims and facts. Flaming is not the proper way to dispute those claims, but when you hear the same thing 1000 times over from one individual, it gets tiring real fast, and flaming is inevitable.

A 2.8 is not rocket ship, thats for sure, but it does have some 50% more power than the 2.5 does

I have a full dual system waiting to go on my 2.5, as well as some body mods. However, after going for a pre-safety test drive today, it looks like a new clutch is going to have to take predidence over the exhaust mods:{

Jelly, it's more like a 40% difference in Horsepower between the two.
Several people have told me that you can bolt the stock dual exhaust up to the 4 cylinder engine. I don't know if you would really gain anything from doing this, but it certainly looks nice with the dual exhaust tips.
As for flaming others, it is not the answer either, and calling them a "toolebag", in homage to those that have been banned, is in poor taste and obviously done to anger Fiero5. We all know that the punisher and shaun used to call Fiero5's son this disgusting name.
You could get a 4 cylinder to beat a 6 cylinder, for a short while, if the driver of the four cylinder knows how to drive his car and the owner of the 6 cylinder doesn't. If you have two equally experienced drivers, and stock cars, there would be no contest. The 6 cylinder would win all the time.
You can all return to your arguing now.

My one real race with a v6 Fiero in good condition.. even off the line, once I hit second gear.. bye bye.

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1986 GT 5 speed
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Well John, you are correct, flaming is not the answer, I did state that flaming was not proper, but you have to agree, it is inevitable wether right or wrong, this is the real world, people get fed up and blow. Some people are more outspoken, they will say what alot of people are wanting to say.

Yes, Jonathan and Shaun went well outside the boundries to make like difficult for Steve, but he kept comming back for more, and continues it even today.
And to show what a hyprocrite Steve is you remember how the tasteless PS'd televison pic went, and all the anger he has for them ( and he does have a right for that ), then not last week he of all people posts a NWS pic which came from a pr0n site in a tread, but that was ok?

It's common knowledge that Steve is not on my christmas card list, and also that I don't go purposely looking to give him a hard time, but when he starts making false and inaccurate accusations, I'm not going to sit here with a blind eye. I treat everyone here in that same respect.
Controversy follows him around everywhere, it's happening for a real and valid reason.

You know I think highly of you, you post true and correct facts on here among other reasons, like me, you are the first one to admit you have made an error when you've been wrong, you my friend have crediability, and honesty.

Let's not joke about drivers skill determining the difference between the performance of a 4 cylinder Fiero, and a V6 Fiero. In a perfect world ( which is the context of the original question ) - engine tune / condition, equal drivers, there's no contest between a 4 and 6 cylinder Fiero in the performance department.

There's no arguing in here, other than one guy, everybody else knows the difference on the performance between the 2 engines in question.

EDIT: and for some friendly ribbing, using factory ratings between a 88 2.8 and a 88 2.5, there's a 43% difference in HP, using 85 ratings between the 2 engine it's a 53% difference, so lets split the difference between the 2 figures and agree on 45%..

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quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: Actually the rating depends on the year. The earlier dukes were rated at 92HP and the earlier 2.8's were rated at 140. I think the 98 and 135 numbers were introduced in 87

leave it to GM to lower the output on a engine sTupId 3nGineerEs!

OK-back to the subject matter. We've got 2 (two) 4 cyl Fieros. Both 84s no less. One an auto-one a 4 spd 4.10. No way this side of hades will either beat a V-6. The auto especially. But I don't think either is terribly underpowered, and you do have to keep the turns up higher than what your ears say is prudent. There's just something about all that rattling back there that is un-nerving as heck. I've never heard one yet that didn't sound as if it weren't about to come from together when pushed really hard. My wife drives her's like a madwoman everywhere she goes, as some here can attest to.
I think they were fairly well engineered as far as the ratios go, to take every advatage they could to get as much as possible out of the low end. You just run out of power too quickly. You will run thru 1st & 2nd very fast, but 3rd ,to me, seems to be more than adequate to merge onto a 4 lane. I couldn't imagine what the econo tranny is like tho.

Don't know what you can do about the exh tone. My muffler is about gone, which is an improvement, but still sounds like a cat in heat.

They are what they are. Fun to drive-easy to work on and maintain. They give you the illusion of power, tho you know you aren't doing anywhere near as well as you seem to be.

quote They are slow.. Actually the slowest car I've ever driven. Plus they sound like ass, imho.. I'd try to dump it, and it would almost bog down..

You must have had something bad wrong. You should be able to dump the clutch if you have the rpms up. Don't expect to light up any tires tho.

quote Originally posted by YELLOWFIERO88: leave it to GM to lower the output on a engine sTupId 3nGineerEs!

Actually, the 1987/1988 rating is 135hp is for emission purposes. The engines were EXACTLY the same from 1985-1987. The only difference between the 1988 and the earlier Fiero 2.8L engines was the crankshaft. Earlier are externally balanced and the 1988 is internally balanced. In reality all the engines are 140hp.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Actually, the 1987/1988 rating is 135hp is for emission purposes. The engines were EXACTLY the same from 1985-1987. The only difference between the 1988 and the earlier Fiero 2.8L engines was the crankshaft. Earlier are externally balanced and the 1988 is internally balanced. In reality all the engines are 140hp.

Amazing that the emisions can kill that much power. I know it is only 5HP but when you only have 140HP to start with thats alot.

quote Originally posted by Standard: My one real race with a v6 Fiero in good condition.. even off the line, once I hit second gear.. bye bye.

hey, i hung with you on the racetrack! i really didnt fall to far off your bumper, except in the corners! but, that really wasnt racing, we were alreayd goign pretty good when we took off. i'll admit though, your car goes pretty good, and sounds damn nice near the top of the revs!

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The unfortunate history of my GT

"I say it's a fallacy that kids need 12 years of school! 3 months is plenty! Look at me. I'm smart! I don't need 11 1/2 more years of school! It's a complete waste of my time!" -Calvin "How on earth did you get all the way to the bus stop with both feet through one pant leg?" -Hobbes "I fell down lots" -Calvin

The duke handles a LOT better IMO. ( I currently own 2 V6's)

A 5 speed duke is a fun car. An auto duke, however, is a joke. I'm not sure how fast they can go, my coupe had a 85 speedo. I do know it could get back to 0 on the speedo. Looks really funny when you do that. It keeps spinning. Electronic speedos freak out when you get back to 0. That was a one time thing. It was a cool morning. I tried other times and couldn't do again.

The real drawback to the v6's is that they handle like a pig. Ass heavy I guess.

On comment about the duke bogging when you dump the clutch... not sure what you mean. I could roast the tires. I used to do that all the time. Turn left out of the gas station, clutch rev hard right dump wind up turning 180deg in the road and going right. It's about timing.

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quote Originally posted by Azriel: Just a side comment here.. Anyone put a 3 litre duke up against a 2.8? There was a 3.something marine version of the duke. Guy I know in St. Louis has one in his boat.

You mean a Super Duty Duke? As far as I know, a regular duke can't be modified to 3 plus liters.

quote Originally posted by jelly2m8: Scott, yes someone asked a legit question, 20 people or so stated the fact that a 4 banger Fiero is quite different in performance than a V6 one. One person posted incorrect facts saying they had similiar performance. People are going to pickup on that, we aren't all dumb. Saying a 4 banger Fiero has similiar performance to a 2.8 Fiero is the same as saying a 2.8 Fiero has similiar performance to a 3800SC or SBC V8 Fiero. In the end we are here to share correct info, when incorrect facts come up, people will dispute it, they always have, they have a duty to not make exaggerated / false claims and facts. Flaming is not the proper way to dispute those claims, but when you hear the same thing 1000 times over from one individual, it gets tiring real fast, and flaming is inevitable. A 2.8 is not rocket ship, thats for sure, but it does have some 50% more power than the 2.5 does

There are some inaccurate comments in this post by Jelly but I am not going to waste my time correcting him on them. Read my first post again if anyone wants to. Let me just say again that you can make a 4 have similar up to a point. I said that in my first post and I stand by it. I am not exaggerated or making false claims. I am not being rude or disrespectfull. These are of course my own experiences and if someone else has had different thats fine too.

Well I mean sure if I tried to spin the car 180 degrees and light em up, I could get some sort of skid going, but as far as off the line, even with a high rev dump, she wouldn't really go.. Definately couldn't lay down a patch of rubber.. True, there might have been something wrong, haven't driven another one since to compare.. I'd definately opt for the v6 if I were to get one again though..

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: There are some inaccurate comments in this post by Jelly but I am not going to waste my time correcting him on them.

No inaccurate comments by me, I read almost every topic in this forum. I defend you on issues where need be, I have in my previous post above when needed. When you do something out of line, I'll comment on that too.

quote Let me just say again that you can make a 4 have similar up to a point. I said that in my first post and I stand by it. I am not exaggerated or making false claims. I am not being rude or disrespectfull. These are of course my own experiences and if someone else has had different thats fine too.

The original question was asked with stock engines in mind, not modified. Anybody can modify a smaller output engine to compare to a higher output engine. OK, so you say you can make a 4 banger similiar, how comes you didn't say that you could upgrade the V6 also? After all, that would be a fair point.

quote I met you in Carlisle and you were very nice and we all had a great time and left feeling even more like a great Fiero family. You didn't seem to have a problem with me then. Funny how some people act differently behind a computer monitor then in person.

Don't be ignorant to me, at supper you started in on how all Canadian Fiero's were rust buckets. Think back, when I pointed out the condition of alot of northern US cars, and the huge number of extremely nice condition of alot of Canadian Fiero's. I didn't let your incorrect assumption go, I immediately layed it out right then and there. There was about 8 other PFF members sitting there with us, they know how it went down.

I didn't treat you any differently there than I do here. You treat me with respect and don't try to lay a line of BS on me, I'll treat you with respect. Go the other way, well prepare for the sad truth.

quote Unless you or someone you trust wants to show up with a stock V6 Fiero and see first hand what I am talking about and maybe even try and prove me wrong, I just don't understand how you can make your accusaions at me that I am making false and inaccurate accusations?

I'm bringing my totally stock engined 88 GT T-Top to Carlisle this year, bring your fastest stock 4 banger, we'll find a drag strip and line them up. I'll pay the entry fee's for both of us. No guesses or assumptions, we'll get the hard facts for the world to see.

quote As for controversy follwing me around. Well, having 20 plus Fieros, my family and I being in the newspapers, TV and in magazines and a whole family that all drives them will get a lot of coverage on here. Most on here like that and obviously for some bizaar reason a few don't. This is a Fiero forum and I have just as much right to share my Fiero experiences on here as anyone else. If you disagree with my experiences I guess thats fine and certainly your right to do so if you wish, but don't take your personal disagreeing with my 10 years of experiences and turn that into that I am giving out false information.

The number of Fiero's you own is irrelevant, I've been around Fiero's and working on them since 1989. I've driven several hundred of them. I make a good living repairing / modifing / restoring other peoples Fiero's. I have Fiero customers in the US, and in western Canada. I fix up peoples Fiero's, they take them to dyno's, drag strips, autocrosses, road courses, beat the heck out of them, do donuts till the transaxle blows the differential, you name it, I've seen what a Fiero can and cannot do. I know the score.

quote In the past we have had quite a few trolls on here that liked to stir it up with a few including me, even calling me and my children names and doing and saying all sorts of terrible things to try and get me going, many times being somewhat successfull. But that is now in the past so bringing that all back up to try and make it sound like I am controversial because of some now banned trolls that started stuff is more than a bit unfair I think.

The outspoken people are banned, I think it's pathetic on their part that they got banned calling you out. Even in this tread numerous people pointed out your inaccurate posts. Like I already said, controversy follows you around, there's a reason for it. Arrogance is one among inaccurate information, lying, ignorance and being fradulant.
Most of the proof is in other treads and in the archived treads. What proof isn't there is what you went back and edited out once you realised you have been had. You have a knack for doing that.

quote NWS? Please And if you think that pic was pronographic then you need to get out and see that this isn't the 1950's anymore Maybe you should pick up a recent JC Penny catalog sometime. Also, I don't surf pron but since you seem to be speaking up as the expert in that area...

That pic is on numerous pr0n sites along with other pic's with less clothing, I've seen it. Again you are lying. I'm no expert in pr0n, but I'm a normal open minded guy.

Any picture posted on here that doesn't leave anything to be imagened such as the one you recently postes is NWS.

Poor Steve, always the victim, never knows why he get's into the thick stuff. That's arrogance and ignorance at work.

BTW you could have made one reply to me instead of 3, I can add post whore to the list now.

quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Oh Man... please don't go dredging that up... someone started with a legit question and every flamer and wannabe jumped in and ruined what could have been an interesting thread there. Linking to the trash can threads is bad protocal...

Actually, someone gave MAJOR misinformation and was called on it. Bad info like that can't be left without a correction.

quote No inaccurate comments by me, I read almost every topic in this forum. I defend you on issues where need be, I have in my previous post above when needed. When you do something out of line, I'll comment on that too.

Out of line based on your own opinion of course? Am I supposed to remember that one so the next time someone says something that is their opinion and I don't necessarily agree with it I have to call them on it, and by your forum rules (sorry, didn't realize you were a moderator) I will have to tell them they are out of line and so misinforming the forum as well? Sorry if I have the common sense to know that is wrong and pass on doing that.

quote The original question was asked with stock engines in mind, not modified. Anybody can modify a smaller output engine to compare to a higher output engine. OK, so you say you can make a 4 banger similiar, how comes you didn't say that you could upgrade the V6 also? After all, that would be a fair point.

Where did you get in anything I said here that I was talking modified? I was talking about stock to stock and comparable condition.
It is also unfair for some who say a 4 banger is doggy when they are using the experience of only driving a beat up high mileage automatic sluggish 4 cyl for comparison. I am sure you would agree with that? Well, after reading your responses so far I guess probably not.
 

quote Don't be ignorant to me, at supper you started in on how all Canadian Fiero's were rust buckets. Think back, when I pointed out the condition of alot of northern US cars, and the huge number of extremely nice condition of alot of Canadian Fiero's. I didn't let your incorrect assumption go, I immediately layed it out right then and there. There was about 8 other PFF members sitting there with us, they know how it went down.

I wasn't and please don't be ignorant to me. I remember that conversation and I was talking about what Bob Parker had said to me and father on more than a few occassions when we had been down there of the fact that Kick Hill was selling alot of complete frames to people from Canada to replace the ones that get all rusted out. I am sure the others that were there will agree that is how the conversation actually went.

quote I didn't treat you any differently there than I do here. You treat me with respect and don't try to lay a line of BS on me, I'll treat you with respect. Go the other way, well prepare for the sad truth.

And I have but if you or anyone wants to take my experiences which may be different than yours and use it to give your opinion of my experiences and word it to accuse me of being untruthfull then don't get all pissy if I come back and set the record straight.

quote I'm bringing my totally stock engined 88 GT T-Top to Carlisle this year, bring your fastest stock 4 banger, we'll find a drag strip and line them up. I'll pay the entry fee's for both of us. No guesses or assumptions, we'll get the hard facts for the world to see.

First off, this sounds like a lot of fun and if I can make it and if I bring one of my 4 bangers I will certainly take you up on it if the offer still stands then.
However, like I stated earlier (to show that I am not changing what I said) I was responding in general to "performance" and not specifically in racing/dragging. I even asked that when the racing thing popped up later in the thread and made sure everyone knew that I was not talking in regards to racing or dragging in my comments. Let me be even more specific then: For example, if I am following a V6 Fiero onto the highway and the V6 driver is shifting to 4th and excellerating, for me to keep up (ie make my 4 banger have similar performance to keep up) I have had to be in third gear. When the V6 is then shifted into 5th to get to full highway speed I am probably still in 4th gear. But I am right with the V6 Fiero and not falling back at all. To the outsider watching they would have no idea who had what for an engine other than maybe hearing mine reving higher of course because from what they see I am able to stay right with the other Fiero. This is what I mean by making the 4 banger work harder to have similar performance "to a point". What I mean by "to a point is" is that obviously side by side a higher HP car will be stronger off the line and all that than the lower HP car, unless of course the higher HP car driver makes a mistake. All things being equal though we all know who should win and I have never disputed that.
 

quote The number of Fiero's you own is irrelevant,

I disagree and I bet so will many others. Think about this. Who would someone rather deal with on a Fiero, a person who has been around many of them for many years or some person who has only seen one or two?

quote I've been around Fiero's and working on them since 1989. I've driven several hundred of them. I make a good living repairing / modifing / restoring other peoples Fiero's. I have Fiero customers in the US, and in western Canada. I fix up peoples Fiero's, they take them to dyno's, drag strips, autocrosses, road courses, beat the heck out of them, do donuts till the transaxle blows the differential, you name it, I've seen what a Fiero can and cannot do. I know the score.

Wait a minute! I thought you just said the number of Fieros someone has dealt with was irrelevant?
At any rate, then I guess we can at least agree that we disagree on this. Your experiences in some cases differ from mine. That happens all the time in life and you have to be able to just except it and move on, but making accusations from it is wrong. You don't see me using my experiences that differ from yours to publicly accuse you of misinforming the forum? Those are your experiences and these are mine. I didn't attack anyone when posting mine now did I?

 

quote The outspoken people are banned, I think it's pathetic on their part that they got banned calling you out. Even in this tread numerous people pointed out your inaccurate posts. Like I already said, controversy follows you around, there's a reason for it. Arrogance is one among inaccurate information, lying, ignorance and being fradulant.

Continually bringing up incorrect comments made about me still doesn't make them fact either.
And if you like those "outspoken" members so much you certainly know where to go to hang out with them.

quote Most of the proof is in other treads and in the archived treads. What proof isn't there is what you went back and edited out once you realised you have been had. You have a knack for doing that.

No, I edited out comments where I got heated from being attacked and said things that I regretted later. Yes, there were times when I was wrong and I admitted when I was wrong and I stand behind what I said as well as when I stood corrected and/or opologized. Funny how some of you forget that fact, but I guess it's easier to ignore that fact to try and keep something going.
What some people have a knack of doing on here is going back and quoted bits and pieces of what I said to make it look like I said or meant something completely different. Then that BS gets spread around even more (sometimes by some who may not even know it's incorrect) and then some think it is then fact since they see it so often which is obviously not the case. It then takes me 4 times as much typing to try and dispell the misinformation. And by trying to do that most people are sick of it all by then and don't care who was right or wrong.
 

quote That pic is on numerous pr0n sites along with other pic's with less clothing, I've seen it. Again you are lying. I'm no expert in pr0n, but I'm a normal open minded guy.

I will have to take your word for it Jelly. Obviously your the one admitting to surfing and seeing it all over the many pron sites to be able to say so with such authority.
I went into google and typed in a search for woman and cars and on the third or forth page link listed I came accross that image. She was very attractive ( a hottie which was the point if you forgot) but not "dirty" or smutty in anyway. It was not a prno site or certainly seemed normal to me. I also did that at work and our computers have filters that don't allow easy access to sies like that. Granted there are ways around it but I didn't even have to try as it was a normal site showing some great looking cars and some great looking woman. If it was cross posted from a nasty site how would I know and since that specific pic was fine what does it matter? You have to admit that the image I posted wasn't half as bad as the others posted in the same thread and she was more clothed than the girls we have seen posted in string bikini's in other threads that were also posted in general chat in the past and they did not break any rules or have anyone feel they were NWS.

quote Any picture posted on here that doesn't leave anything to be imagened such as the one you recently postes is NWS.

That picture was fine. Give it a rest already or at least admit that your apparently a prude.

quote Poor Steve, always the victim, never knows why he get's into the thick stuff. That's arrogance and ignorance at work.

It's this attitude that is arrogant and I feel hurts this forum as much as anything else. You are the one being arrogant here not me.

quote BTW you could have made one reply to me instead of 3, I can add post whore to the list now.

Ok, I guess since I had a whopping three replies to your much smaller two, the one extra I had at the time now makes me a post whore?

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ok i have both a 4 cyl 5 speed and a v6 auto fiero. the v6 isnt running yet so i couldnt tell you the comparison. I can tell you how well my 4 cyl duke performes though. so here it goes,

0-60 11 seconds

after 60 the power drops down to nothing but picks back up again around 85 mph - around 110 mph then drops back off again and the car gets to the redline point.

they dont perform well with bosch plugs ;( ac delco works much better for me.

mods to the car: K&N filter, Catalitic converter taken off and replaced with a strait pipe.

well thats bout it for my duke sry i couldnt tell you more.

---Tim---85 Sport Coupe 5 speed 4 cyl 86 SE V6 auto(few bugs to work out)

Keep twisting words and facts Steve untill you get this tread to look the way you want it like you always do. I'm done in here, I've said my piece, the more you go on, the more idiotic you look to me and the rest. Again you win for being a master troll.

Like what was pointed out in a PM to me in one of the several I recieved in support to this tread, we haven't had any trashcan material when you were on hiatus. Well done!

Before I leave this tread here's some friendly advice. Think strongly about questions being asked before you reply, for example don't, assume other peoples V6 Fiero's are in as poor tune as yours just because your 4 cylinder is "similiar" in performance than your V6 ones are.

When someone points out the errors of your ways, it doesn't hurt to admit you may have been wrong and have a biased opinion. We're all human, we make bad judgements by times. It's ok to admit that.

When people start getting on your case, let it slide, stop responding to the treads, you'll be a better person for not escalating treads to flame wars.

my 87 4 cylinder coupe can waste my 88 Formula automatic 2.8.... then again, my 88 doesn't have heads/intake/ or most of the rest of the engine actually there so me walking beats it also :-)

The original question I believe dealt with attempting to make a 4 cylinder as quick as a stock v-6. It wasn't about which was faster with equal mods. Some one wants to pep up their car a bit, play nice.

Jelly... like Fiero5 or not, he IS allowed to contribute. Please don't attack him every time he does. A pissing contest (you know he'll respond to the attack) doesn't help the person that started the thread at all.

I'm going to chill!