( Dons flame suit ) Bottom line, in equal conditions (stock cars, same gearing, equally competent, same weight drivers, equal reaction times), the V6 will win all the time in a straight line race. The V6 engine has more torque and torque rules. Reality Check: our cars aren't the fastest cars ever built, my new Subaru Legacy GT will smoke any stock and even some modified Fieros. We also all know that you can't get too much performance from the stock 4 cylinder without it blowing up. Several have tried and failed. Even the stock V6 has it's limits.
Personaly, I didn't buy my Fiero to race it. I bought it because it is fairly unique and good looking. It doesn't matter what engine it has or how fast it goes. What does matter is that it does go under it's own power. It has an adequate amount of performance to beat some of the newer cars if you want too, and it isn't a belly button car, plus it even gets some decent gas mileage and handles very good. What more do you want? Now quit the useless infighting. Edit: I own page 3.

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quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Then as we got more into Fieros we discovered that since the Indy was released the first year as well, the hanging points underneath even on the '84 models were for both a single and dual setup. All we had to do was obtain a good condition dual exhaust from any model that had dual (usually a V6 is easiest to find) and then it is very easy to have mounted on a 4 banger. Clamp it down from where it mounts at the cat and then the stock hanging points line up both from the dual exhaust and under the body. Steve

That is not true for my 84, I had to use aftermarket hangers (with the rubber straps), on my V6 exhaust, the springs around the muffler fit, the the springs that held the tailpipe up did not fit, and I almost had to cut that bracket off. But, my Fiero is #1192, built on August 5th, 1983, I think that was way before they starter making Indy's, probably didnt even know they were going to pace the indy 500 in 9 months.

On my 86, and my 85-87 cradle I have use a rubber strap to hold the L4 tailpipe up, and not springs, the V6 exhaust I got used 2 rubber hangers that attached to the cradle from the factory. Maybe that was a mid model design change, or an 85 model change.

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84 Fiero Sport Coupe #1192 :: 86 Fiero Base Coupe :: 84 Chevette CS 4 DoorDetails on my Fiero hereMember of the Edmonto Fiero Club

I think an underpowed car that handles is the perfect first sports car for anyone. Because it's underpowered you have to learn how to drive to maximise/compensate for it's doggy performance. This makes you a better driver, a think ahead driver. With a good driver on a twisty/turney a 4-cly can out-perform a car with a larger engine, due to it's better handling characteristics. That's the fun of the 4-cyl with an improved suspension. The Duke is easier to work on since there is more room in the engine bay. It does what it was designed to do quite well, as a commuter car. It's fast enough for the LA Freeway system and cheap to operate. Mullholland's fun except when you have to go up the hill. Performance...there isn't any stinkin performance!

my stock '84 gives me all the performance i need.
starts every day.
fun to drive around town and on those winding mountain roads.
gets me to and from m'boro at 65-70 mph.
30 mpg.
easy and cheap to work on.

maybe i'm old. i have no desire to be first at the next stoplight, get speeding tickets, or impress civic owners. but i can make a clutch, brake pads and tires last a loooooooong time. and while you 2.8 guys are in the gas station filling up, i'll be buzzing right on past the exit ramp, smiling.

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quote Originally posted by lurker: my stock '84 gives me all the performance i need. starts every day. fun to drive around town and on those winding mountain roads. gets me to and from m'boro at 65-70 mph. 30 mpg. easy and cheap to work on. maybe i'm old. i have no desire to be first at the next stoplight, get speeding tickets, or impress civic owners. but i can make a clutch, brake pads and tires last a loooooooong time. and while you 2.8 guys are in the gas station filling up, i'll be buzzing right on past the exit ramp, smiling.

*grin* Ditto.

quote Originally posted by befarrer: That is not true for my 84, I had to use aftermarket hangers (with the rubber straps), on my V6 exhaust, the springs around the muffler fit, the the springs that held the tailpipe up did not fit, and I almost had to cut that bracket off. But, my Fiero is #1192, built on August 5th, 1983, I think that was way before they starter making Indy's, probably didnt even know they were going to pace the indy 500 in 9 months. On my 86, and my 85-87 cradle I have use a rubber strap to hold the L4 tailpipe up, and not springs, the V6 exhaust I got used 2 rubber hangers that attached to the cradle from the factory. Maybe that was a mid model design change, or an 85 model change.

Thats interesting to know. I will have to try and check and see what number my 84SE is then as the stock hangers were right there for both a single and a dual. I didn't know this either until we were at Bob Parkers once and he mentioned it to us after my Dad and I were telling him about the custom dual I had paid to have made. He asked us why we didn't just use an Indy or stock V6 exhaust and said why we could. When we got back home we looked under my 84 and sure enough there they were.

When I put the duals on my 2M4 I purchased new hangers from the Fiero Store. The original left one was not reusable, and there wasn't one on the right. Holes were punched in the right places for the new hangers, though - just bolted them in.

On my car, my only hanger was welded in and was about 4-5" long. There was no holes at all to bolt anything to. I want to keep my car so I can revert it to stock, so I bolted my custom hangers to one of the plastic inner fender rivet holes with a bolt.

If I remember, I will take a pic and post it.