Wow did this thread take a sharp left turn :wow:

I have to admit that I too was a bit skeptical of Miss Tress at first, being that she was a brand new member starting right off with post number one as the "Hottie" and already having a fancy "Hottie coming soon" sig and seeming to know many of us older members as though she had been here for years. Her timing of when she joined and started off with all of this may not have been the best (not her fault I know) as that was when we were still experincing some of the anti-forum members sneaking back on under new names almost daily.
I have sense realized that she is in fact a real person who is (or was at the time) a new member that was and obviously still is a very excited and enthusiastic about Fieros. I have since moved on from all of the initial concerns I had, as I thought everyone else had as well. Apparently not everyone else has yet.

I think it is great to see yet another new member getting into Fieros which is obviously great for the Fiero community. I also think it is great to see the amount of excitement and enthusiasm that she shows in each every post. That is pretty cool. I have myself been attacked many times in the past from what was nothing more then my apparent over excitement and enthusiasm of posting the latest (granted I may have arguably posted a few too many pics at times) of many of the things we have done on our Fieros, so I know very well where she is coming from and what she is going thru with some of these comments.
I look forward to the day that my family and I may get to meet her and her family

And since we are mentioning insulting pics that get posted on here from time to time, I would like to add the extremely insulting pic that shows the Special Ed student running in the special olympics with the insulting text.
The text in that pic is simply just wrong and insulting in so many ways.

These are just my opinions of course.

Steve

"insert name here" you have a PM

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84 Black/Silver T-top custom
85 GT speedster
86 GT Yellow
88 Formula, Red
88 GT White, T-top, 5 speed.

However......
"Time is the most precious and perishable of my possessions."

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007DOUG, an IFCF member. (International Fiero Crime Fighter)

quote Originally posted by 007DOUG: "insert name here" you have a PM

007DOUG you have a PM...

quote Originally posted by RossT: I personally like the diaries threads. I viewed them as someone new to fieros really getting into the hobby.

I have nothing against them myself. They're not too interresting to me so I don't read them. No disrespect.

I think the funny part is if it was a new young MALE getting into Fieros and wanted to do a thread like that they would have to be the ones bumping it every other day to keep it out of the archives.

I've said it before: A female joins and all members are on her like Fat Albert on a cupcake.

Dave

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quote Originally posted by 007: But with all the words of true wisdom, expressing you have nothing against us, understand we are nice people, you STILL call my wife a whore? You STILL insult? You called my wife a WHORE?

Attention Whore:
I. One who desires attention regardless of the outcome.

Whore:
I. A prostitute.
II. A person considered sexually promiscuous.

No where did I call your wife a “whore"
Please re-read the post that was made, as it’s clearly evident that I did not call your wife a whore.

I will reply to your PM later this afternoon, as there a number of things that I need to attend to that are of pressing importance that can not be delayed.

quote Originally posted by ditch: I think the funny part is if it was a new young MALE getting into Fieros and wanted to do a thread like that they would have to be the ones bumping it every other day to keep it out of the archives. I've said it before: A female joins and all members are on her like Fat Albert on a cupcake. Dave

Agreed. As I said in another thread, I got slammed last summer for showing 1 pic of us at a gas station and she posted 3... with close ups
Maybe this thread can become a learning process for some members. Meaning for example that if it is ok for one member to post a certain way then it has to be equal for everyone. Having said that I will now try out this new theory by posting 3 pics of our Fieros at gas stations..with close ups

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Agreed. As I said in another thread, I got slammed last summer for showing 1 pic of us at a gas station and she posted 3... with close ups

You should have had a female post the picture

An excellent test to my theory: repaint Jordan's car (so nobody recognizes it), sign on under a different user name, claim to be a female, post as many pictures of the car as you want

you will have absolutely NO problems, I guarantee.....well, one problem, everyone will be humping your leg

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Maybe this thread can become a learning process for some members.

agreed, but more like a reality check

[This message has been edited by ditch (edited 05-13-2005).]

When people ask for an opinion and post something like...

The only opinion that matters is yours. If you like it, do it.

quote Originally posted by mcaanda: Attention Whore: I. One who desires attention regardless of the outcome. No where did I call your wife a “whore" Please re-read the post that was made, as it’s clearly evident that I did not call your wife a whore. I will reply to your PM later this afternoon, as there a number of things that I need to attend to that are of pressing importance that can not be delayed.

Don't know what to say to you. Do you think for a moment she enjoys the outcome? Anyway, you call the name Miss-Tress007 offensive yet because you call her an attention WHORE that is ok?

Remember this? You posted this and in my opinion displayed true honor and integrity. Didn't think it was cool that someone's wife would be used like that right?

Hmmmm as beautiful as my wife is, as great a body as she has if she were an attention whore.....why wouldn't there pic 1000 pics of her? If there were many pictures of her would that make her an attention whore even then?

When Yellowstone posted pictures of his beautiful wife, were there any negative comments? Is he an attention seeker....uh..NO!!!!!! He shared pictures with us all of the woman he loves and we had the pleasure of seeing them. Thank you for those pics. There was nothing wrong with it. Now, would you DARE call him an attention seeker? NO. And he is in Germany. Playa I'm right here in the U.S. and you have crossed the line. Your original post was bad enough that I felt I needed to respond, each reply is like..uh..100 times worse!!!!

It is funny that you say

quote Yet rest assured that when you lay your head down at the end of the day, you are what you say that you are; you are your word

Yet you also say if you met me face to face you wouldn't make these comments. Maybe you'd give some good advice and say "some members get kinda funny when people do a,b,c so maybe you'll take it into consideration" Some have been thoughtful enough to say that. What does that make you? Can say it here----but in face to face?

I asked you in the PM, man to man to please stop insulting my wife. I am going to ask you here in public. Please stop insulting my wife and please step back over the line you have crossed. If I make ANY comment to insult your family I fully deserve you to give it every fiber of your being to kick my behind. I would deserve it. I really would. As far as the pic of you with your wife I was making a point. I also explained that in my PM. Family is personal. Talking about cars is one thing but to attack family is out of bounds. I am trying to tell you that you have insulted, disrespected my wife, my family and you would NOT TOLERATE anyone doing that to your wife for any reason at all. AND YOU SHOULD NOT!!!! More common ground for us. I really don't think my wife has justified your assault.

I could have cropped your wife out and that would have not upset you as much, she didn't do anything to me and I will never insult her. She has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You are upset I bet and I understand. I didn't mean to offend you only to make a point. But guess what? The point I am trying to make is out the window because that is FAMILY. The fact that my wife is actually the subject at hand is irrelevant because 1) she did nothing to deserve it 2) it doesn't matter, this isn't about posts it is about FAMILY. We both feel the same about family. THAT is the point I am making. My wife did nothing to you and should not have been insulted. Could you say puting the picture brought things into play that shouldn't be? Yeah, I guess I would have to agree. Now watch this....so I APOLOGIZE. Wasn't hard to do. I am sincerly sorry. I wish I could go back and time and prevent all of this. I can be a man, I can do better, I can admit when I am wrong, I can apologize.

I sat on my post for 2 days. Almost said nothing. You reacted as soon as you saw my response I bet. With passion. It was "real" for you. The first have seemed to be more knee jerk reaction, the second has great wisdom.....excellent life lessons and I told you as much in the PM. Now your comments could have been kept in your head and my wife would not be upset and we would not have this.

Now I am STILL trying to be nice. Don't be confused, don't take me as soft. You don't know me, please step back over that line. You ARE a GOOD guy, I am POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!! If I had met you at Daytona we would be good friends. I see from the little window that is available to me that we share some of the same values. I think something good can come from this (which is why I am posting everything I just said here) You and I can show everyone that we all can get along (can still disagree) but it is possible for all of us to keep the peace even when passions are involved and not allow the worst to happen. I am willing to do that, to be an example, my hand is extended. I am going to continue to be respectful, but I ask you again to please step back over the line, we are both good people. Please Allen, Please.

On another note...Do you guys recall that the 3 pics at the gas station were all put together as one image? Anyone?

I hear how some of you call others bad guys and trolls and all that....but look how you treat your own!!!

You are all good people though so its all good. I try to keep that in mind. Much love to all of you. Let's try and let a healing process begin. Worth a shot, right?

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Um, I kind of like that marketing strategy. Appearantly so do millions of other American men, if not, then I don't think you'd see so much of it. Again, I like this marketing strategy...

As far as the comment about the wife in the photo, I doubt I could get my wife to pose like that without her knowing that I'm trying to sell something- on second thought, I know I couldn't get my wife to pose like that. So chances are pretty good that she has an idea what's going on here and doesn't have a probelm with it. On the other hand, when people take the liberty to feel it's appropiate to ridicule or otherwise degrade someone's wife whose intentions are not to be googled at, then things have gone too far.

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What is the best (insert part, car, engine here)?

quote On another note...Do you guys recall that the 3 pics at the gas station were all put together as one image? Anyone?

007 and everyone, I just want to make it clear that as I said earlier, I didnt really have much of a problem with the 3 pics at the gas station so I hope in my joking about them now it hasn't come accross that way. I just thought it hypocritical that I was slammed for less not that long ago and now I get to see people standing up for someones right to post what I was told was wrong. Thats all.

ok, I'm done...I think..

[This message has been edited by Fiero5 (edited 05-13-2005).]

Not to interrupt anything,

but I'd say the posts in the mall that have no warning about an ebay link about something for sale and the multiple posts for one single item when you have a lot of stuff to sale. I know it would make it easier to track things, but it seems to make a mess.

Just my $.02

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quote Originally posted by JohnF: OMG! I am reading along and hit a thread that BOILS MY BLOOD! I heartily agree with previous posts that misspelled/misused words and grammatical phrases (with posters whose first language is English) is unforgiveable! Everyone please remember that many readers/posters on this board are not first language English and we should not only not confuse them but we should endeavor (endeavour is o.k. here, too) to not look STUPID to the remainder of the readers here (hear). Their/there/they're, know/no, to/too/two, then/than, your/you're, want/wont, very/vary and many other words all have specific uses and misusing them does not exhibit typos - it exhibits STUPIDITY. Almost no one on this forum has had less than 11 years of formal education. There (their) is NO EXCUSE for anyone on this board to post such blatant ignorance for all the world to see what our educational system is turning out. DON"T PROVE YOUR STUPIDITY on this forum. If you can't use proper grammar and spelling - don't post! Look up the words/phrases you don't know or go somewhere else! (maybe the ricers wont know the difference). Oxford (Queen's) English or American English is all very acceptable and no one should try to change from one to another. Readers are able to accept either as being "correct". That's my rant. Please forgive typos but there is no excuse for misusing the English language here. Don't bother pointing out any of my typos, it only shows my fingers are confused - not my brain.

This is a joke, right?
It HAS to be!

You want people to:

quote Originally posted by JohnF: "If you can't use proper grammar and spelling - don't post! Look up the words/phrases you don't know or go somewhere else!"

But you won't even take the time to proof read you're (that ones for you) own rant about OTHER peoples short comings?:

quote Originally posted by JohnF: DON"T

But It's (capital "I" in "It's") ok to be a smart a$$ here (hear)?:

quote Originally posted by JohnF: we should endeavor to not look STUPID to the remainder of the readers here (hear).

Stupid:
1. Lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity
2. Dazed: in a state of mental numbness especially as resulting from shock
3. A person who is not very bright
4. Unintelligent: without much intelligence

quote Originally posted by JohnF: words all have specific uses and misusing them does not exhibit typos - it exhibits STUPIDITY.

So does misuse of punctuation by your own definition.
Just what do you think editors and proof readers get paid for anyway?
The greatest writers in history have used them.
Go tell it to Shakespeare!

quote Originally posted by JohnF: Almost no one on this forum has had less than 11 years of formal education.

I do.
Being in school don't mean you learned anything.(<see?)
Or even remember.
Can you draw a map with all the states in the correct place?

quote Originally posted by JohnF: There (their) is NO EXCUSE for anyone on this board to post such blatant ignorance

How about a learning disorder?
How bout fo' fun?

quote Originally posted by JohnF: for all the world to see what our educational system is turning out.

Becouse, in some cases, thats what our educational system IS turning out!
I would rather the world judge me by my STUPID post, then your DICTITORIAL post!

quote Originally posted by JohnF: If you can't use proper grammar and spelling - don't post!

"Write right or don't write at all, right?!"
You even said "if you can't" not "if you WONT or DON'T"!
Cannot-Can't:
1. To be unable to; there is no possibilty of; it is not possible to.
Use:
"If you can't speak correctly, to my satisfaction, do not speak at all."

quote Originally posted by JohnF: Oxford (Queen's) English or American English is all very acceptable and no one should try to change from one to another. Readers are able to accept either as being "correct".

Well, the anal ones, anyway.

quote Originally posted by JohnF: Please forgive typos but there is no excuse for misusing the English language here.

So your typing and proof reading mistakes beg forgivness, but my grammar and spelling mistakes are a sign of unforgivable STUPIDITY?!

quote Originally posted by JohnF: Don't bother pointing out any of my typos,

Wouldn't think of it. That job is for the "better thans", looking down on others.

quote Originally posted by JohnF: it only shows my fingers are confused - not my brain.

Good one.
You give your fingers independant thought! (confused is a brain function)
When you make a mistake with your hands, it's THEIR fault.
And when you miss something in proof reading, it's your EYES fault, not your brain!

You Sir, have a WONDERFULY MAGNIFICENT brain with a PERFECT COMMAND of the written English Langauge!
It's just to bad that you have to share YOUR WORLD with such imperfect Human beings as myself.
It must be very taxing on your perfection.
I'm sure it really BREAKS YOUR H........................wait, I didn't see any evidence of one of those in your post.
I'm SO Sorry.
No, I really am!

P.S. Oh, you MIGHT want to examine your use of the word "ricers", and it's negative conintation.

quote Originally posted by JohnF: (maybe the ricers wont know the difference)

What are you infering? Who are "ricers"?
I couldn't find the word in the dictionary.
Is it word refering to a certain country, their products, or their people?
Or is it an insight into the deeper you?

Hey, i'm just JUDGING you by your own WRITTEN word!
You taught me well!

Have a super-duper day!
It's ALL gonna be all right!

I really really despise internet drama. I guess it's everywhere you go.... Here's something I wrote last spring related to it.

WARNING: IT CONTAINS OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE!

mcaanda,

You sir, are wrong. It is as simple as that. You should swallow what ever sense of "pride" you may have and admit that, then appologize to those whom you have offended.

What annoys me is people jumping all over others for being attention whores. What's wrong with being an attention whore? The whole reason anyone here actually posts anything is because they are looking for some attention. Otherwise we would just read and then go somewhere else.

BTW...shouldn't this have been in the OT section?

Boonie for President!!!!!

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Failing to prepare - Is preparing to fail....

Well, this has changed since the last time I looked at it...I think I'll just post my own thoughts and leave the rest of this alone.

If I flip through a post and don't see anything that catches my attention, I keep flipping. Now personally, I like pics in the posts, since I have a tendency to skim through and it catches my attention. I guess if I was going to pick out something that bugs me it would be a Fiero for sale with no pics or links to pics. I understand that not everyone has access to a digital camera or the skill or inclination to use one, heck I'm one of 'em, I'm just putting that down as my annoyance since I want to see the cars.

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WOW! I take off for three days and all hell breaks loose.

Hmm..... the words that come from the mouth------- comes out from the heart? I think what was said here is worse than all of the "issues" she was having with the "Hottie." If anyone of us had an "issue" with her threads, then Pm'ing her would have been the best way and not this.

When I first arrived here, I use to add my signature to every post. Stupid, right? A nice person here pm'd me and stated that using a sig on every post isn't necessary. Just use it once. Since I was "newbie" at the time this was the best way to inform me. On the other-hand if I read in a thread like this...My spirit may have been broken? After all, I only knew the venders, right? Up until then, I never knew that a Fiero community existed. So loosing them wouldn't matter, right? No love lost?

Since then, I have made several real good friends in FL, TX and many other states. I find Pennock's a valuable tool and a good way too make friends.

Will Miss-Tess007 (a new bee) view Pennock's and it's members the same way? Is her spirit broken? What about her husband (new bee)? Hell, who knows what connections Miss-Tess007 may be in the future? Remember that thread that Cliff Pennock wanted some of us to write-in about? What if Miss-Tess had written an article on the Fiero? Do you see where this is going?

So please be careful what we "say" and post about others on Pennock's------for fear "We" might be shooting ourselves in the foot? We already lost Songman. And he wasn't a new bee.

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quote Originally posted by Gokart: Quotes without editing text/deleting pics so they don't get posted again in the same thread....waste of Cliff's bandwidth.

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:

lollerskates!

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F-I-E-R-O...just having a little fun...didn't mean to poke at you directly but this is a thread about what's most annoying and this happens to be mine Especially the threads with seventeen pics and everyone quotes then the pics are tripled. Really is a waste of space...all in fun

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I'm just curious. When you guys say/claim it's a waste of Cliff's bandwidth to be quoting all the pictures over and over again.... For that to be the case the images would have to be hosted on Cliff's server itself. I do see there's an image hosting setup (PIP) at the bottom. I never checked to see where the images are hosted. But if they are hosted off site like all of mine then it wouldn't effect Mr Pennock's bandwidth. I know of some excellent offsite free image hosting setups if anyone would be intersted in cutting back on the aforementioned bandwidth.

PS: All the images I link (so far?) have been from my own server where I control the bandwidth.

while im thinking about all this mention of bandwidth you do realize that the image is only downloaded from the site to your computer once after that it is cached and is just called from the cache to be seen repeatedly... unless of course your cache was just deleted or is set to 0mb but then you are doing it on purpose

quote Originally posted by mcaanda: Attention Whore: I. One who desires attention regardless of the outcome. Whore: I. A prostitute. II. A person considered sexually promiscuous. No where did I call your wife a “whore" Please re-read the post that was made, as it’s clearly evident that I did not call your wife a whore. I will reply to your PM later this afternoon, as there a number of things that I need to attend to that are of pressing importance that can not be delayed.

what the heck is the diffrence???????

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quote Originally posted by Gokart: F-I-E-R-O...just having a little fun...didn't mean to poke at you directly but this is a thread about what's most annoying and this happens to be mine Especially the miss-tress threads with seventeen pics and everyone quotes her then the pics are tripled. Really is a waste of space...all in fun

It's all good! Sometimes things get a little too heavy around here so I like to lighten things up hoping that whoever sees it will get a chuckle and may decide that whatever is bothering them isn't worth mentioning saving someone a red bar enhancement! If that doesn't happen, then I may decide to poke some fun their way- I try to keep it so as not to get myself banned, yet edgy enough to be different...

Hallelujah, Holy S**t...where's the Tylenol!

You guys need to drop it, and move on.

The posts that reflect disdain for another person's opinion. For a good example, look at almost any SBC vs. 4.9 vs. 3.8 vs. ?? type post. We are all different people with different viewpoints. Yet, too often people seem to take the expression of an opinion as the opening salvo in a war of words to determine who is right (or conversely, who is wrong). In many cases, there is no right or wrong, just our individual conclusions driven by our life's experiences as well as our likes and dislikes.

I am fairly certain that most will agree that there are a lot of people in this country that would not even consider owning a Fiero; some just downright dispise the car. Are they wrong? No; it is just their opinion; an opinion that most of us on this forum do not share.

This thread inquired as to the types of posts that various members find annoying. mccanda has expressed his opinion. Someone took offense, claiming that mccanda insulted his wife.

As far as I can tell (without torturing myself by reading all the posts again), mccanda used the expression "attention whore" which is either a slang term that he later defined, or alternatively, a specifically defined phrase in the dictionary. As he said, he did not call the lady a whore, which he also explained has a significantly different meaning. Is he right? Wrong? It doesn't really matter... he was just expressing his opinion; an opinion that was initially responsive to the inquiry re: annoying posts.

What should Mis-Tress and 007 do? Well, there is a wide range of possibilities. If they are offended, they can tell mccanda (e.g. express their opinion). Alternatively, they could shun mccanda (and encourage others to do the same); send him volumes of hate mail; refer to his wife by some term that they find equally disparaging; or simply not buy him a beer the next time they are in the same bar (just to name a few options). Or, I suppose they could just ignore it. After all, the only opinion they really need to be concerned about regarding Mis-Tress is their own.

BTW mac, while I don't find the blue type offensive, I do find it difficult to read at times. Others may have similar problem.

Bottom line: We should all practice a little tolerance of other person's opinions. We may disagree, but we don't need to be disagreeable.

Second biggest gripe: Spelling/grammar police that seem to be lurking everywhere. While I view my skills as above average,I have certainly made my share of mistakes. Thus, to the extent that another person's spelling/grammar is less than perfect, I am willing to tolerate it so long as I am interested in the content. If I have no interest in the content, I will probably click off, irrespective of whether the spelling/grammar is perfect or not.

P.S. I have not taken the time to proof read the foregoing, so if it is full of errors, then...

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[This message has been edited by FierOmar (edited 05-14-2005).]

SPELLING CORRECTERS!...or is it CORRECTORS?

Why can't some people lose an argument with grace and just let it die. Noooooooo, they HAVE to get in the last word so they attack something trivial like spelling.

LET IT GO!

Hukd on foniks wrkd fer me.

"Just what do you think editors and proof readers get paid for anyway?"

Hehehe, I know EXACTLY what these individuals get paid for!

I am one.

I have been practicing this career full-time for over 30 years! Additionally, my wife has 3 M.A.s (English, Russian and German) and a Ph.D in English Linguistics. Our conversations and communications around this house are interesting, to say the least.

Thank you for validating my rant by offering up your view that only such professionals have a right to express such sentiments. I am pleased that you agree that I have such right. Your opinion is valuable to me.

This thread was what was asking what was annoying. I stated my pet peeve without attacking anyone personally. Too bad others can't seem to do the same.

Have a nice day!

BTW - Tress, I love your posts. Keep'em coming!

What bothers me? Not much. I've learned to ignore that which I am not intersted in.

But, about 'the diaries', since the subject came up. Yes, it can get a little tedious, but OTOH, one of the 1st things people ask for in a thread is photo documentation. "A picture speaks a thousand words". There are a lot of simpler Fiero jobs that really don't get documented, and which aren't covered well in manuals. Yes, they are a piece of cake once you've done it successfully, but most people like to be aware of any potential pitfalls before they begin a project, regardless of the scope and size of the task at hand.

Typos and spelling? I post like I speak-incohrently. Sorry JohnF, I am what I am, so shoot me.

quote Originally posted by JohnF: Thank you for validating my rant by offering up your view that only such professionals have a right to express such sentiments.

I don't think those "professionals" get paid to call people stupid. Or to tell them to "stop writing".
At least not here.

They DO however get paid to NOT write and CATCH sentences like this:

quote Originally posted by JohnF: This thread was what was asking what was annoying.

Was THAT a "typo", a "misspelled/misused word" or an "incorrect", "unacceptable", or just plain "blatantly ignorant" grammatical phrase?
Not being a "educated professional", it's so hard for me to judge!
(sorry, couldn't resist! )

If it is your "opinion" that..........................

quote Originally posted by JohnF: 1. misspelled/misused words and grammatical phrases is unforgiveable! 2. we should endeavor to not look STUPID to the remainder of the readers here. 3. misusing them does not exhibit typos - it exhibits STUPIDITY. 4. Almost no one on this forum has had less than 11 years of formal education. 5. There is NO EXCUSE for anyone on this board to post such blatant ignorance for all the world to see what our educational system is turning out. 6. DON"T PROVE YOUR STUPIDITY on this forum. 7. If you can't use proper grammar and spelling - don't post! 8. Look up the words/phrases you don't know or go somewhere else! 9. (maybe the ricers wont know the difference). 10. Oxford (Queen's) English or American English is all very acceptable and no one should try to change from one to another. 11. Readers are able to accept either as being "correct". 12. there is no excuse for misusing the English language here.

..............maybe the "professional" thing to do, would be to start each of the above STATEMENTS with:
"I think...........
"I believe........
"It is my opinion that...................

quote Originally posted by JohnF: I am pleased that you agree that I have such right.

I don't agree that you have a right to tell people that "If you can't use proper grammar and spelling - don't post" and "Look up the words/phrases you don't know or go somewhere else!"

quote Originally posted by JohnF: This thread was what was asking what was annoying. I stated my pet peeve without attacking anyone personally. Too bad others can't seem to do the same.

You called people who misspell or misuse words STUPID.
I misspell and missuse words.
That makes it personal to me.

And then you end your post with this:

quote Originally posted by JohnF: "Don't bother pointing out any of my typos"

Surely, even a "professional" such as yourself, can see the condescending hypocrisy in such a statement.

And the downright ABSURDITY of..................

quote Originally posted by JohnF: it only shows my fingers are confused - not my brain."

...............leaves me wondering why you feel "There is NO EXCUSE for anyone on this board to post such blatant ignorance", and that "YOUR" typos are above reproach, but "OTHER'S" typos and "misspelled/misused words and grammatical phrases" denote Stupidity, Blatant Ignorance, are Unacceptable, Unforgiveable, and Inexcusable.

Oh, just for the record, I think I have made it quite clear that grammaticaly, I am an idiot. (maybe in other ways, too)
Being an idiot, it's SO hard to tell!
But I'm OK with that.
I beg no acceptance, forgivness, or charity.
What I WON'T do is bend to some people's unquenchable thirst to impose their will on others!

This is not intended as a "personal attack". It is written in the hopes that people will look past the grammar, the face, and read what is being said BEHIND the mistakes and the imperfections.

[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 05-14-2005).]