It is not any one thing that has lead me to not rebuild the N* for our N* turbo fiero. I built it and drove it, the car is was very fast and with very little good tuning, since tuning a vehicle with a leaking head gasket has its difficultes. So to not get into a long story.....Would I build a N* turbo again. NO But I have built one and had fun doing it. That is the part I enjoy. I do not want to spend any more money on it again this comming year to based on what I have experienced so far. When do you stop throwing money into a project to make it better......? I am not out to prove anything, I just like building.

As far as bigger better....I don't know right now if it will be bigger or better but is certainly will get us through the summer and not suck the hobby bank account dry.

Pete

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2.8 swap??

wow pete sorry to here about all that... it was awsome while it lasted... im sure whatevers next will be great too... a show style 2.8 would do nicely in becks car but probably not fulfill her need for speed lol... whatever route you guys take im sure it'll make you happy.

quote Originally posted by rockcrawl: 2.8 swap??

I do have a 2.8 sitting around, hmmmm. maybe a 2.8 bottle fed, I have a buddy in florida that could set me up with the jets and info for NOS 2.8's

Pete

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recreate 1fast2m6's (travis's) 2.8 I think that put out around 300 hp didn't it?

Matt

What ever you do Pete, You know you have our moral support
And when you'll get something really great going...You can copy it in my car

Good luck

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Pete very sorry to here that the N* didn't work out the way you planned. I take it that you might do a series III 3800 ?? Good luck with what ever power plant you do, I'm sure what ever it will be, it will be quick.

Joe

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I was just kidding about the 2.8, don't do it man.

A 3800s/c will be your best bet for a 1/4 mile fiero. They seem like a pretty bulletproof engine and can get into the 11s on a stock supercharger which is pretty darn amazing.

quote Originally posted by PBJ: I do have a 2.8 sitting around, hmmmm. maybe a 2.8 bottle fed, I have a buddy in florida that could set me up with the jets and info for NOS 2.8's Pete

5.3 ls engine (no replacement for displacement)

Don't give up on the Northstar....

In "my" eyes I am not giving up on it. I built it and drove it. I did not learn all there is to know about tuning the beast (I don't really enjoy tunning, nor know much about it) but even un-tunned it would haul like crazy. I really just don't want to keep that much money tied up in a car that really gets driven hard every time out. What is next you all wonder and some have guess'd, 3800 s/c at this point. I have done over 10 swaps and have always loved the 3800 s/c in customers/friends cars, so why not ours. That, and I can do the swap for less money than it would cost to build up a N* again.

So the N* turbo did not reach its full potential BUT it did get on the road, and to 3 fiero shows. AND the drag strip twice.

Pete

quote Originally posted by bubbajoexxx: 5.3 ls engine (no replacement for displacement)

i agree with bubba

the 5.3L alloy block/head motor is a monster of a motor, with lots of aftermarket on the way.

got one in my brothers pickup, and it moves a full size chevy pickup quite nicely.

matthew

spend a ton of money and do a LS7 swap and maybe throw a 150-200 shot of nitrous on it... i can only imagine a 700 hp fiero

I can't.

quote Originally posted by crzyone: A 3800s/c will be your best bet for a 1/4 mile fiero. They seem like a pretty bulletproof engine and can get into the 11s on a stock supercharger which is pretty darn amazing.

how do you get into the 11's with a stock supercharger?

This would be the man to ask.
DonKraus: 11.628@114mph RB (SC3800II-4T65e, posi)

Mid 11s on stock supercharger.

Fiero X is alittle faster with the turbo, but would be in the 10s if he could get a decent trani.
FieroX: 11.547@124mph NB (turbo 3800II-4T60E auto)

how bout a balls to the wall ecotec swap???

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if you lucked across an ion redline/cobalt ss supercharged engine i'd like to see what you do with that.

there was another thread about how GM performance has put together the build guides for the ecotec. I think it is based on the 2.2, and they have ones for stock to 250, 250 to 600, and 600 to 1400hp. I downloaded them, and they are on their website... I think it was something like www.gmtuners.com or something like that. I keep thinking an ecotec swap would be awesome, and by now, you should be able to get them cheap enough. They have been putting them in the saturn ions, chevy cavys, and sunfires for a while now. Plus, someone from here said he bought an ecotec for $300. Not a bad place to start.

ecotec would be nice... but what tranny could possibly hold 600-1400 hp... nothing transverse id imagine... or can it be done? imagine the torque goin through that... if your foot slips..... BOOM! ah well... if someone puts one together and makes it reliable... then they have all my respect

I'd reread the build guide before I did it, but I was pretty sure they said the stock tranny could handle 300hp.

quote Originally posted by pHoOl: there was another thread about how GM performance has put together the build guides for the ecotec. I think it is based on the 2.2, and they have ones for stock to 250, 250 to 600, and 600 to 1400hp. I downloaded them, and they are on their website... I think it was something like www.gmtuners.com or something like that. I keep thinking an ecotec swap would be awesome, and by now, you should be able to get them cheap enough. They have been putting them in the saturn ions, chevy cavys, and sunfires for a while now. Plus, someone from here said he bought an ecotec for $300. Not a bad place to start.

to get the ecotec to turn out 1400 hp it would need to turn 18000 rpm and at that rev level it would not be streetable to make big
hp in a smallengine rpm limits are rediculously high and not practical look at the honda 2000 it needs 6000 rpm brefore it starts
making any usable hp and torque and the higher an engine has to rev the shorter the life

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how about a turbo-diesel??? VW 2.5 TDI PD 174HP 296 ftp stock

hans

quote Originally posted by bubbajoexxx: look at the honda 2000 it needs 6000 rpm brefore it starts making any usable hp and torque and the higher an engine has to rev the shorter the life

This is no longer true with todays engines. Metalurgy and oiling have come a long way in the last 20 years. Honda doesn't build a car with a motor that won't go atleast 300k miles.

Same reason sportbike engines are able to rev so high now. The yamaha R6 now has a 18,000rpm redline.

If you have a strong bottom end and good oiling, the only thing you have to be concerned with the most is piston speed. This is why all high reving engines are oversquare. This also means less torque, like the S2000, but you can carry 1st gear all the way to 9000rpm. After that, every shift puts the motor back into its sweet spot.

quote Originally posted by crzyone: This is no longer true with todays engines. Metalurgy and oiling have come a long way in the last 20 years. Honda doesn't build a car with a motor that won't go atleast 300k miles. Same reason sportbike engines are able to rev so high now. The yamaha R6 now has a 18,000rpm redline. If you have a strong bottom end and good oiling, the only thing you have to be concerned with the most is piston speed. This is why all high reving engines are oversquare. This also means less torque, like the S2000, but you can carry 1st gear all the way to 9000rpm. After that, every shift puts the motor back into its sweet spot.

This is so true, my brother's S2000 and my V-TEC Civic do rev a bit high but this engines are built with high standards, specially that Oil injection is a big time help for the engine life.

Too bad N* don't have this Oil injection available. Could you imagine driving a 9000 rpm N* as a daily driver.....hehehe

JG

Its not the oiling system holding the N* back. It can rev that high with rods and arp bolts. My 03 N* has a forged crank from factory.

edit to add, also need springs and retainers for anything over 6700rpm.

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I never mention that the N* can't rev that high. I was talking about Honda engines being able to rev high and have a long live (300 K miles). Try to rev your N* 8000 rpm every day all the time after you get the springs and retainers, cams etc, and put 300000 miles on it....??

Remember revving an engine, and making it last is a matter of serious engineering.. (Oil injection is one of them, among others that is...)

JG

quote Originally posted by crzyone: This is no longer true with todays engines. Metalurgy and oiling have come a long way in the last 20 years. Honda doesn't build a car with a motor that won't go atleast 300k miles. Same reason sportbike engines are able to rev so high now. The yamaha R6 now has a 18,000rpm redline. If you have a strong bottom end and good oiling, the only thing you have to be concerned with the most is piston speed. This is why all high reving engines are oversquare. This also means less torque, like the S2000, but you can carry 1st gear all the way to 9000rpm. After that, every shift puts the motor back into its sweet spot.

my friend owns a car lot and any honda that is driven by kids dont last much longer the 150 k klm have had to change quite a few blown head gaskets and oil burners, (check the gas and fill up the oil) they drive em hard and they die fast . one kid I know races his every weekend and changes motors every 15 runs burns the oil rings right out bouncing it of the rev limiter on every shift you wont see a honda here with 300k on it and still runing right

Hey Pete; Do you still have all the trubo parts and if so how much. Thanks Joe

Nope sorry it is all gone. Although I do have a Bonneville Northstar (Pontiac) engine cover still. Man that was a fast set up too, did 12.6 in the 1/4 with little tuning and a blown headgasket in #6 cyl.

Pete

Man I was hoping you could save me some work, ohwell. thanks for the fast reply. Joe

quote Originally posted by PBJ: Nope sorry it is all gone. Although I do have a Bonneville Northstar (Pontiac) engine cover still. Man that was a fast set up too, did 12.6 in the 1/4 with little tuning and a blown headgasket in #6 cyl. Pete

i can't do that with a near perfectly functioning 4.9 .... granted my tires are a HUGE part of that... but meh... my car goes... and goes well... acceleration to cruise speed is where i have most of my fun