ok took new master back and got newer one.....now i am at least getting fluid movement...but either there is ALOT of air, or i need a newer slave too... gonna bleed till like 5..if no work, then i return slave and try that.
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Absolute MUST. The best and sometimes ONLY way to get a Fiero clutch to bleed. I once worked for 2 hours trying to bleed a clutch on my 3.4. Drove 15 minutes to a garage, borrowed theirs, 15 minutes back, bleed the line in 4 minutes (including 3.5 minutes of hookup time) and dropped the bleeder off to the mechanic at church that weekend. Took me 34 minutes to do what I wasted 2 hours on.
-clint
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May 25th, 2005
BobadooFunk Member
Posts: 5436 From: Pittsburgh PA Registered: Jun 2003
cant find one Clint... BUT i also may have found the culprit.... i think the line had a tiny crack HIDDEN above wheel well... so i did this... getting things started
broke right off, no effort... think i fixed it...
lining up and installing
its in now and im on break from work so i have a half hour to bleed the clutch. then i hope to drive it back to work (only 1 mile away..)
Beware Fiero clutch gremlins; they'll trick you and lead you astray...
Got it all back together and bled as well as you can? Good - now let's check on some of our "enemies". Look at the clutch pedal - it should be sitting about an inch higher than the brake pedal. Is it? If not, you've got a bent clutch pedal and it'll never work right until you replace the pedal and its bushings (www.fierostore.com)
Next, let's "pump" the clutch a few times then depress it fully. Does it go all the way to the floor, or did it hit a "stop" before it got all the way down? If it doesn't go completely down to the carpet without stopping then your clutch release arm is broken; Fiero Store has your part again.
Now, let's look up under the dash at the top of the clutch pedal - see the pushrod that runs from the pedal to the clutch master cylinder? It's supposed to be straight - if yours is curved or otherwise non-straight then you need a new clutch master cylinder. Same is true if the clutch fluid has any kind of silvery color to it; in this case, change the slave cylinder too.
All of these problems are common - and it's quite possible that you car could have more than one of them. Fortunately, these can all be corrected without major work.
There's one more common problem; usual symptom is that the clutch depresses OK but it's kinda slow when you let it out. You may even notice the clutch slipping a bit just as you release the clutch. This is caused by the clutch fork shaft binding in its bushings; cleaining and lubing the bushings usually fixes it, in extreme cases the bushings can be replaced. Unfortunately, these bushings can only be accessed from inside the bell housing...
90% of the time it is the umbrella seal on the slave letting air back in - if you pack some grease int here and bleed it and the problem goes away - its really just a temp fix - I usually add grease to a new slave to keep it from ever happening
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Jun 21st, 2005
BobadooFunk Member
Posts: 5436 From: Pittsburgh PA Registered: Jun 2003
Beware Fiero clutch gremlins; they'll trick you and lead you astray...
Got it all back together and bled as well as you can? Good - now let's check on some of our "enemies". Look at the clutch pedal - it should be sitting about an inch higher than the brake pedal. Is it? If not, you've got a bent clutch pedal and it'll never work right until you replace the pedal and its bushings (www.fierostore.com)
Next, let's "pump" the clutch a few times then depress it fully. Does it go all the way to the floor, or did it hit a "stop" before it got all the way down? If it doesn't go completely down to the carpet without stopping then your clutch release arm is broken; Fiero Store has your part again.
Now, let's look up under the dash at the top of the clutch pedal - see the pushrod that runs from the pedal to the clutch master cylinder? It's supposed to be straight - if yours is curved or otherwise non-straight then you need a new clutch master cylinder. Same is true if the clutch fluid has any kind of silvery color to it; in this case, change the slave cylinder too.
All of these problems are common - and it's quite possible that you car could have more than one of them. Fortunately, these can all be corrected without major work.
There's one more common problem; usual symptom is that the clutch depresses OK but it's kinda slow when you let it out. You may even notice the clutch slipping a bit just as you release the clutch. This is caused by the clutch fork shaft binding in its bushings; cleaining and lubing the bushings usually fixes it, in extreme cases the bushings can be replaced. Unfortunately, these bushings can only be accessed from inside the bell housing...
ive had to let it go for a while due to some other issues, then losing all of my tools in Rochester so now i have no tools to work on my car any more..... lost $300 worth all new. im just savin up and taking it in... not even sure i can make it to Auburn now... i just miss driving it....
Originally posted by BobadooFunk: ive had to let it go for a while due to some other issues, then losing all of my tools in Rochester so now i have no tools to work on my car any more..... lost $200 worth all new. im just savin up and taking it in... not even sure i can make it to Auburn now... i just miss driving it....
If you weren't so far away I'd come up with my trailer, bring it back and fix it and let you drive it home :-/ -Clint
im in NC at Chowan College... savin OSO slowly to take her in and get fixed.... i miss the gas mi. on that thing already... truck is HORRIBLE.... soon soon soon, its all i keep tellin myself..
im in NC at Chowan College... savin OSO slowly to take her in and get fixed.... i miss the gas mi. on that thing already... truck is HORRIBLE.... soon soon soon, its all i keep tellin myself..
Yeah, I miss the gas mileage in that car too! Almost sad I sold it. But I've been driving my 4-speed-auto 3800 all summer and its been getting 30MPG around town pretty regularly.
if everything is new, it shouldn't be that hard to find the culprit. it appears that something wasn't put back together properly, or was missing. Just check joint by joint from front to back or vise versa. have one person push the petal while you're inspecting. Are you loosing fluid or is there just air in the system? if it is just air, you might try bleeding it an different points in the system.
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BobadooFunk Member
Posts: 5436 From: Pittsburgh PA Registered: Jun 2003
well simply put ive done all i can do... im taking her in once i get back to NY. i have $250 and HOPE that is enought to cover it. (especially since i dont think ill need any parts.)
Oh common, satisfy my curiosity. You have a ton of detail on all your posts untill the bleeding problem. What have you done and what are the symptoms. If you had done all that you could, you would be driving your car by now
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FieroMaster88 Member
Posts: 7680 From: Mattawan, MI Registered: Nov 2000
Doesnt clutch bleeding suck? I went through all the same stuff when I swapped my 88 coupe to a manual trans a few years ago. I finally got it bled good enough.
We just installed a 5 speed trans a 4.9L V8 in a 88GT at work for a friend of mine and it took us about an hour to bleed the damn clutch. You really have to be sure you bleed out the slave cylinder by pushing it in with the bleeder open. We had an air bubble trapped in the slave and that was the only way to get it out. I wish you luck with your clutch issues. If I lived closer I would come help you out.
Oh common, satisfy my curiosity. You have a ton of detail on all your posts untill the bleeding problem. What have you done and what are the symptoms. If you had done all that you could, you would be driving your car by now
well i cant do it anyways... 1. I tried every bleeding method and have reason to believe i put something together wrong. 2. All of my tools were stolen, after that, motivation was lost. i will do basics myself but man.... $300+ of BRAND NEW craftsman suff and alot was Fiero specific (55 torx for brakes etc..) It was quite a downer to me as the Fiero had already been off the rd for a month or so.... 3. Im still in NC... and when im back in NY its all snowy there.. screw that.
I want it on the road and done right, its going in. i miss it to much
well i cant do it anyways... 1. I tried every bleeding method and have reason to believe i put something together wrong. 2. All of my tools were stolen, after that, motivation was lost. i will do basics myself but man.... $300+ of BRAND NEW craftsman suff and alot was Fiero specific (55 torx for brakes etc..) It was quite a downer to me as the Fiero had already been off the rd for a month or so.... 3. Im still in NC... and when im back in NY its all snowy there.. screw that.
I want it on the road and done right, its going in. i miss it to much
If you want it done right, you should do it yourself. lol. So what are the symptoms? is it loosing fluid or just mushy? And where and how did you bleed it. Sorry I don't know the details on your tools, were they stolen out of your car or your house? If my tools were stolen, I would buy more. If you are at the mercy of someone else to fix your car, that can put you in a bad spot. especially if you run a tight budget which it looks like you are. Can't you borrow some tools from a neibor or your freind? Someone will be able to help you bleed your system and get it back up and going. You mentioned that you think you put it back together wrong. Where do you think that happened? I hope that clutch experienced people can help you out. maybe if you moved this to tech....
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Dec 8th, 2005
crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
If you buy yourself a 4x4 piece of wood you can lift your car like this.
You have the jacks needed to lift like this, makes it simple to remove the cradle and motor. Its also pretty sturdy. Hope this helps if ever need to remove your motor again.
If you buy yourself a 4x4 piece of wood you can lift your car like this.
Levi
Thats a good idea, Im going to keep that in mind when I do my engine swap
Hey Jerry, Look out for a Sears Craftsman tool sale there should be some more coming up with the holidays right around the corner. Im going to be looking to upgrade my tools as soon as I hear about a sale.
Andy
------------------ 88 Coupe with CJB T-Tops 85 2m4 Sport Coupe Western New York Fiero http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyfiero/
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BobadooFunk Member
Posts: 5436 From: Pittsburgh PA Registered: Jun 2003
SHES FIXED!!!!! WORKS!!! YAAAAAAYYY!!!!! now i have to wait till Fri Feb 3rd before shes home... but o MAN am i excited.... i have to do a few small things to her but WOOOOOTTT i am soo happy. (and Alex said shed like another photoshoot )
HEy nice job. on a side note I saw you said my favorite word TATTOO. I have a web site for tattoos. pm me if you want to get the link. not sure if I can post it on here.
Shawn
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------------------ 1986 Fiero SE V-6 Automatic. my site miamiink.net
85 Fiero 2m4... where abouts in buffalo are you? i go from here all the way to lake shore for no reason...(so youre not far!) but i went to the lockport DMV 15 minutes tops, AND i renewed my drivers liscense!
If you know where Derby is, just South of Hamburg, I live right about there. I live in Lake View, which is a small suburb of Hamburg. Literally 5 minutes north of Derby, and 20 minutes South (Rt. 5) from the McKinley Mall. If you ever make it to the Southtowns, let me know. I'll PM you my cell number if you want it, just let me know if you do, lol.
If you know where Derby is, just South of Hamburg, I live right about there. I live in Lake View, which is a small suburb of Hamburg. Literally 5 minutes north of Derby, and 20 minutes South (Rt. 5) from the McKinley Mall. If you ever make it to the Southtowns, let me know. I'll PM you my cell number if you want it, just let me know if you do, lol.
Im in Tonawanda, Im not in the southtowns that often. If your looking for some fiero action in wny check out the wny fiero group....the link is in my sig
Andy
------------------ 88 Coupe with CJB T-Tops 85 2m4 Sport Coupe Western New York Fiero http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyfiero/
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Fierofreak00 Member
Posts: 4221 From: Martville, NY USA Registered: Jun 2001
Well... not much so far... interior is back together.... looked like crap for a while there... i really cant wait to drive it...
I am getting an "Optima" battery in 30 days... anyone got good reviews?
i got a present from the mother.. will go on the rear window in 30days as well... says "It's a FIERO thing, You wouldn't understand."
replaced trunk carpet with a black one... looks alot better!
will be 30 days before anymore work is done.... car is in garage and grandfather is leaving for a month and i am moving to Pittsburgh PA... but 30 days!!! i will already have the $$ to put her on the road! just need to buy new e-brake cables... so this is the last update untill i do an e-brake cable install. Signing off (of this thread) for 30 days! -Jerry
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i just miss driving it....
