I searched like crazy to find the thread that had shown the build-up of projector pup-ups built for hella projector lights, but i could not find it. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Anyone know the link?

Kind of like this?

I remember seeing a thread awhile back but never could find it, I ended up starting from scratch and making it work.

That is exactly what im talking about.
Do you a have a build up?
If not how did you do it?
Want to make a build up about it?

Here is another type. These are replacement's that you can use, to get rid of the sealed beams. I used Silvania "Silverstars" in mine.
These are super bright, and a huge difference than the stock ones. They are still not as focused as a true projector.

True HID's with true Projectors would be really nice. I would like to see someone do it. I will look into it after I am done with other projects.
If you find the other thread post it Please.

Travis

I've heard people saying the headlights on the fiero are just the bulbs that you can pull out the back and replace just the bulb itself, but my fiero has the sealed beam headlights. Whats up with that? Is it 88's or something thats not Sealed Beam?

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All fieros had the sealed beam headlights. There are many aftermarket housings that use the smaller bulbs that snap into the back of the housing.

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You know what i've always wanted on a fiero, popup angel lights. Almost like what sluppy has only angel eyes

Maybe this is the one you were looking for. It's about 25% technical and 75% entertainment (B.S.) value . If you can come up with a "how to" using the info given and complete the project, a lot of people would be interested, I think.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20050410-1-024811.html

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Yes thats the thread, well even if it doenst say much its better than just scratch, so ill try mys best to get somehting like that, ill probally start a trhead when all is said and done so I know it works.

I think that once you get into the project, it won't be all that hard. The pics in the early part of that thread will give you a good idea. The trick will be to use a car that you might not be able to drive for a day or two until you finish the headlights . If I remember correctly, there are even contacts for vendors for the lights listed in that thread. Good luck ..

I bought these but haven't received them yet from the vendor (sloooowwwwww). I love the look:

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quote Originally posted by yellowstone: I bought these but haven't received them yet from the vendor (sloooowwwwww). I love the look:

They're very nice, may I ask where from Yellowstone?

These projector lamps (as far as I recall) don't have a beam pattern for LHD or RHD do they, so they can be used in any country?

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From the same guy I bought my nose from. I have been waiting for 3 months now after paying 700 Euros - Ouch! But they'll be worth it once I get them...

quote Originally posted by Kentish: They're very nice, may I ask where from Yellowstone? These projector lamps (as far as I recall) don't have a beam pattern for LHD or RHD do they, so they can be used in any country?

For more information on the Hella 90mm modules, see Hella USA and Susquehanna Motor Sports.

Be aware that Susquehanna sells the 90mm modules and the connectors for the H9 bulbs separately. They also sell adapters that plug into the existing Fiero headlight connector, so you can install the 90mm modules without hacking up the existing wiring.

quote Originally posted by Kentish: These projector lamps (as far as I recall) don't have a beam pattern for LHD or RHD do they, so they can be used in any country?

The Hella 90mm projector modules (low beams) definitely have an asymmetric pattern. They are available in both SAE/DOT (USA) and ECE (Europe/Canada/non-USA) versions; the ECE version may be available in both LHD and RHD. Hella UK should be able to tell you the part numbers and refer you to a dealer who sells them.

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Kentish - I guess that means he's not telling .....

quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Kentish - I guess that means he's not telling .....

It means I don't know ... but here is where you may be able to find out.

Not you Marv. I was referring to his asking Yellowstone where he got the headlight assemblies and the reply was from the same guy he got his nose from (!?) ....

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Well, I didn't think it worthwhile to give details as the set I bought is the last one. As with the nose, there will be no more made - at least that's what the guy, Stefan Pfaff in Germany, has said.

quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Not you Marv. I was referring to his asking Yellowstone where he got the headlight assemblies and the reply was from the same guy he got his nose from (!?) ....

No prob's guys and I really appreciate the info.

I'll take a look on the Hella UK website at the 90mm units, I do have a feeling that the UK spec lights are not LHD or RHD and have a symetrical beam pattern.

I guess I'd only be making this change for the sake of looks as the RHD replacement Hella units I have fitted now (stock rectangular type) have a pretty good output and nice beams.

quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Not you Marv. I was referring to his asking Yellowstone where he got the headlight assemblies ....

Thanks for the clarification. I'm just trying to help.

quote Originally posted by Kentish: I'll take a look on the Hella UK website at the 90mm units, I do have a feeling that the UK spec lights are not LHD or RHD and have a symetrical beam pattern.

You might be surprised. The internal optics of projector-type lights are pretty cool. You can design the same reflector and lens assembly to be suitable for both LHD and RHD, and then insert a simple sheet metal mask to produce the final LH or RH pattern! I haven't disassembled a Hella 90 mm projector module yet ... which looks like it's pretty easy to do ... but you might even be able to just reverse the mask in a LHD module to convert it to RHD. It would certainly make manufacturing sense for Hella to do it that way.

All very cool, and I've wanted a set up like that for a long time. The guy in Germany fell through, Racingman24 hasn't said anything about his project in a long time, WMAC has disappeared, and I didn't even know Sluppy had that kick azz set up. My biggest problem was always that the Hella's are like $90 EACH. Thats $360 just for the lights themselves. I keep trying to find someone on here with the metal working skills to just make the buckets and I can worry about the lights themselves later, but I've met with limited success.

Fastback - you might try AutoZone (as strange as that might seem). It's been a while, but they quoted me $70-something for the Hellas and they had to be ordered.

Yeah, the buckets seem to be the sticking point, put I have a feeling that someone's gonna break through soon just by taking the time to sit down and figure it out. There's too much talent here for this to go un-resolved .....

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quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: My biggest problem was always that the Hella's are like $90 EACH. Thats $360 just for the lights themselves.

Susquehanna Motor Sports currently sells the 90 mm DOT/SAE modules for $58.75 each, plus a reasonable amount for shipping ... not cheap, but still better than $90 each. The connectors for the H9 bulbs are another $6.70 each.

If you want to talk expensive, try the HID modules ... $538.46 each, including D2S lamp and ballast, but not the wiring harness!!!

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All good news, but we still need a housing to put them in. Who's steppin up?

Marvin, thanks for the info regarding the LHD and RHD adjustment.

Looks a very sensible design.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Susquehanna Motor Sports currently sells the 90 mm DOT/SAE modules for $58.75 each, plus a reasonable amount for shipping ... not cheap, but still better than $90 each. The connectors for the H9 bulbs are another $6.70 each. If you want to talk expensive, try the HID modules ... $538.46 each, including D2S lamp and ballast, but not the wiring harness!!!

Susquehanna Motor Sports hasn't changed their prices since Wmac originally posted his thread. Maybe we could do some sort of group buy and get them for cheaper? According to their address they should only be about 25 minutes away from me.

Matt

Here are a few more pictures of my buckets, I will have to pull them off the car to get better pictures. It took me several tries to get everything correct, but I still have full adjustment of both the high and low beams. The material is powdercoated steel the lights were purchased from Susquehanna Motor Sports. The total cost was $273.30

quote Originally posted by sluppy123: Here are a few more pictures of my buckets,

Thanks for posting those pictures. Nice work, as usual.

One comment, though. DOT and the states require that the low beam headlights in four-light systems be mounted outboard, with the high beam(s) inboard. You appear to have them reversed. Anybody thnking of converting headlights should at least be aware of this requirement.

As an aside, it's interesting to note that an apparent loophole in the DOT regulations used to allow a three headlight system, with two low beams and a single high beam located anywhere between the low beam lamps. I think that the wording, probably originally intended to address driving lights or fog lights, stipulated that "at least two, but not more than four" headlights be illuminated at the same time. Back in my flaming youth, several friends and I ran just such a setup with a single 100-watt type 4509 sealed beam lamp (which was definitely not DOT-compliant) for the "Cyclops" high beam.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: One comment, though. DOT and the states require that the low beam headlights in four-light systems be mounted outboard, with the high beam(s) inboard. You appear to have them reversed. Anybody thnking of converting headlights should at least be aware of this requirement.

I know the low beams are supposed to be on the outside, and the high beams on the inside. But If you look at the housing you will notice how much larger the low beam housing is. I tried mounting it on the outside but that made them pop-up a inch more than if the low beam was on the inside. I prefer the look of a lower pop-up height than being 100% DOT complainant. Around here nobody will notice/car where the high beams are mounted

I already have the housing for my new lights here - just missing the lights themselves, wiring and the plastic cover...

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: I already have the housing for my new lights here - just missing the lights themselves, wiring and the plastic cover...

Thanks for posting those pictures. That appears to be really nice work. Too bad they are no longer available. Two questions:

1) What is the thickness of the material? Due to the spotfacing, I infer that it is probably thicker than .055 inch (1.4 mm).

2) Is the small lower piece welded to the larger main part?

quote Originally posted by sluppy123: I know the low beams are supposed to be on the outside, and the high beams on the inside ... I prefer the look of a lower pop-up height than being 100% DOT complainant.....

Thanks for the explanation. I assumed that you probably had done it on purpose, but, as I said, people contemplating a headlight conversion should at least be aware of what the law requires.

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If those are no longer available, where can I get a CAD drawing of something like that to build my own?
I really want to put together a set like that myself for mine, I've been trying to hold off on doing anything else so I can put on what I really wanted.

Has anybody tried the Hella Bi-Xenon 90mm unit. It's a HID high AND low beam in one unit. Part number 68141.

Here:
http://www.rallylights.com/hella/90mm_modules.asp
About 3/4 way down

Yikes! I was looking at that page thinking, "Yeah, these would be great in projector housings in a Fiero." Then I looked at the price. $538 EACH!! Wowsers, I don't know many people who can afford $2000 headlights...

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: All good news, but we still need a housing to put them in. Who's steppin up?

I'm with Fastback 86, who's stepping up to design a housing to put them in? I bet you could sell quite a few of them. Someone needs to as I'm very interested in something like that to use the projectors cause I'm liking the price that sluppy123 spent on his setup.

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quote Originally posted by Rare87GT: I'm with Fastback 86, who's stepping up to design a housing to put them in? I bet you could sell quite a few of them. Someone needs to as I'm very interested in something like that to use the projectors cause I'm liking the price that sluppy123 spent on his setup.

Amen. I can't afford the whole set up right now, but I'd be all over a set of housings. I can worry about the lights themselves anytime, Hella's not going out of business. Having something to attach them to is another matter.

not to hijack your thread but since its on the same topic here it goes. i have just come across two pairs of BMW 5 series headlights with xenon projectos and am thinking about putting just the xenon projector in a modified bucket so it will work like an opel GT. where instead of the lights popping up the roll open side to side. still in designing right now but when i start the build ill post a threrad

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To" rare 87": It seems that cars so well done always solicit comments-and this is no exception! I do have some questions, if you are acceptable--the headlights are my quest to find :who did them (if you did not) and how were they done--some detail "how-to" would be great! I,ve been trying for several years to find someone that has performed the change. You apparently have (or had) 2 configurations: One without a cover and the one with a "plastic" (glass) cover;the one with cover really looks great! Thanks; Dewey Thomas (decothom@cox.net) Norman,OK

quote Originally posted by decothom: To" rare 87": It seems that cars so well done always solicit comments-and this is no exception! I do have some questions, if you are acceptable--the headlights are my quest to find :who did them (if you did not) and how were they done--some detail "how-to" would be great! I,ve been trying for several years to find someone that has performed the change. You apparently have (or had) 2 configurations: One without a cover and the one with a "plastic" (glass) cover;the one with cover really looks great! Thanks; Dewey Thomas (decothom@cox.net) Norman,OK

My headlights are actually Tom's (cadaver's) kit he made a few years back. I dont think he is making them anymore, but Kris Munson has stepped up and started making some cool ones. He's the one that made the Lexan covers for the flush kit as well. My kit though, uses Driving lights you can pick up at AutoZone or Oreilly's, and the bucket is made to fit on the back of the hood with 2 screws. After a year of using the stock H3 bulbs, I got tired of the horrible lighting. I dont thnk you can achieve good lighting from the Flushmounts without an HID kit. I had Racingman24 install his HID kit on my car. Made a world of difference. But I suggest going with Kris Munson's kit, it's by far the best kit out there now for a cheap Flushmount kit. He's a great guy too!

Later man,
Amir

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