I would like to know also. Lifetime Membership down the tubes. They have never replied to any of my emails or phone calls since the last show they did.
Not to start a flame war and I hope this thread doesn't become one, but I think there are a lot of people here including myself that this has happened to and its old news. But I think Rodney's question is simple and a good one, I have wondered what has honestly happen to them and all of the Fiero historical item's they have collected over the years. I thought I had read a while back on PFF that his son still shows up to WCF events, maybe they might know...
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Old Lar Member
Posts: 13798 From: Palm Bay, Florida Registered: Nov 1999
I called and spoke to both Phil and Gloria in December. They rotate between Pahrump and Santa Ana so they may not be at the number you call. Contractor delays have been the norm for the Pahrump place.
They didn't say much nor did I ask about FOCOA.
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Rodney Member
Posts: 4715 From: Caledonia, WI USA Registered: Feb 2000
Not trying to start a flame war. I have just been wondering about them. I have not seen anything written about them for a long time. Someone told me Phil is loosing his eyesite. Not sure if that is true or not.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27103 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
I called and spoke to both Phil and Gloria in December. They rotate between Pahrump and Santa Ana so they may not be at the number you call. Contractor delays have been the norm for the Pahrump place.
They didn't say much nor did I ask about FOCOA.
Back in December, at the WCF BBQ, I talked to Keith. He said that Phil was putting efforts into starting a President Lincoln museum in Pahrump. He says FOCOA is dead. The memorabilia is all packed up in a storage place in Anaheim, and the cars are sitting outside. What a shame. I told him that if Phil wanted to sell the stuff, to call me. He said "why, that stuff will be mine someday". So it's unlikely you'll see any of that FOCOA stuff on public display again.
Back in December, at the WCF BBQ, I talked to Keith. He said that Phil was putting efforts into starting a President Lincoln museum in Pahrump. He says FOCOA is dead. The memorabilia is all packed up in a storage place in Anaheim, and the cars are sitting outside. What a shame. I told him that if Phil wanted to sell the stuff, to call me. He said "why, that stuff will be mine someday". So it's unlikely you'll see any of that FOCOA stuff on public display again.
Dead, why? cars sitting outside? What happened to make someone who was deep into fieros as Phil, to just not care anymore?
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Paul Prince Member
Posts: 2935 From: Kansas City, MO Registered: Dec 2002
IIRC, Phil was moving the entire operation to Nevada. He had built (or was in the process of building) a warehouse to store parts, make parts etc. He said he ran into trouble with the zoning commission and lost his azz on the deal, rendering FOCOA out of money. At least that's his story.............Paul
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27103 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Dead, why? cars sitting outside? What happened to make someone who was deep into fieros as Phil, to just not care anymore?
That's the $64,000 question. He once told me that he lost a lot of money doing FOCOA and the National shows. Maybe he got tired of losing money? Maybe he just lost interest?
Hmmm, I am suprised that people haven't gotten together to take FOCOA to court over the "lifetime membership". At least you probably could save the cars as part of the settlement. Maybe donate them to a museum, Ed Parks or even GM?
Hmmm, I am suprised that people haven't gotten together to take FOCOA to court over the "lifetime membership". At least you probably could save the cars as part of the settlement. Maybe donate them to a museum, Ed Parks or even GM?
All depends on how FOCOA is set up. Do the cars and parts belong to Phil and Gloria or FOCOA? Has FOCOA been legally disolved? Filed bankrupcy? There's definitely enough people who haven't received their promised materials from their memberships to warrant a class action suit, but any judgement would likely be trivial at best.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41113 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
...There's definitely enough people who haven't received their promised materials from their memberships to warrant a class action suit...
Not to mention people who have never received parts that were paid for.
I've heard speculation that this is the reason they moved to Arizona. Something about the laws there being more protective on behalf of those who lose lawsuits such as you mentioned.
Not to mention people who have never received parts that were paid for.
I've heard speculation that this is the reason they moved to Arizona. Something about the laws there being more protective on behalf of those who lose lawsuits such as you mentioned.
The criminal deception happened in California, it would have to be heard and would go by the laws of California .
Cars sitting outside? I don't buy that for one second, Keith has no reason to tell the truth and all the reasons to not.
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Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
PAHRUMP NOTES Town board calm, cool, productive By GINA B. GOOD PVT
GINA B. GOOD / PVT Phillip Huff, director of the Pahrump Valley Museum and Historical Society, successfully urges the town to support a grant application.
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While the past several Pahrump Town Board meetings have been fraught with tension and public outcry, Tuesday night's session at the Bob Ruud Community Center was remarkably unremarkable.
One item that could have generated some heat, regarding the Fall Festival vendors, was removed from the agenda.
The Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 10054, along with the Disabled American Veterans of Pahrump, have been protesting improbable hikes in sales fees and restriction of their ability to select the beer they want to sell at the festival. The board announced that issues between the veterans groups and the festival committee were being resolved amicably.
During the public comment portion of the meeting, citizens are encouraged to bring up matters not included on the agenda. Jim Petell took the public podium to urge the board to support the establishment of a cemetery for veterans on public lands in Pahrump.
Art Jones, past commander of the Disabled Veterans of Pahrump said having such a cemetery in town would make it easier for families to visit (the gravesites) rather than traveling to Boulder City, where the nearest veterans' burial ground is located. The proposed 320-acre cemetery would encompass the area of Mesquite Avenue, Warren Street, Bannavitch Street and Irene Street in northwest Pahrump.
In her turn at the podium, Sally Devlin voiced two concerns. First, she asked the board to keep the public reassured that the hospital development was on track, noting development had ceased near the hospital site due to lack of water and sewer service. She asked if the hospital was assured of such services.
However, Devlin's concerns were without merit according to Roy Barraclough, who addressed the Pahrump Valley Rotary Club during its weekly luncheon. Barraclough said the contractor has "made up" time lost during heavy rainfall earlier this year and the February opening is still on track.
Barraclough also said his company, hospital builder and operator Rural Health Management Corporation, will file for its occupancy permit in November and begin the process of installing equipment, furniture and hiring staff.
Devlin also had questions about the valley's infrastructure - specifically widening of roads and highways - asking what plans were being made to handle traffic generated by the proposed new subdivisions. Political boards, by rule if not by tradition, are precluded from commenting on issues raised during public comment.
The following agenda items were discussed and dispatched with ease.
€ At the urging of Deborah Wescoatt, president of the Nye County School District board of trustees, a motion was passed to give the school district five acres of vacant land next to the school bus yard on Highway 372.
Discussion centered on exchanging land-for-land with the school district or asking the school district to buy the land. Town board member Laurayne Murray suggested a long-term lease with the school district paying $1 per year. She said a large commercial development has already been approved along the highway frontage. "That area will have multiple motels, hotels and a water park," Murray said. "It will be a major developed area and busy street. I think it would be financially responsible to have ownership remain with the town."
Town board member Paul Willis said he was against placing any encumbrances on the land - which was originally donated to the town from the county.
Murray reminded board members that the parcel from the county was originally 10 acres. The five acres the school board wants was previously slated for a fire station. The motion to give the land to the school board carried 4-1 with Murray casting the dissenting vote.
€ Phil Huff gained the board's unanimous support for a grant application from Tourism and Nye Community Downtown Development funds (Resolution 2005-33). Huff's goal is to establish a Main Street incorporating historical Pahrump buildings on the museum grounds. The town will recommend Huff's application to the Nye County Board of Commissioners.
€ Town Manager Dave Richards will enter into preliminary discussions with Rural Health Management Corporation, the builder of Desert View Regional Medical Center on Wilson Road at Lola Lane. Tabling the initial draft document for further review was discussed, however concerned citizens asked the board to let Richards "do his job."
Since all material changes must come before the board for review, the motion to have the town manager explore an agreement with Rural Health Management was passed.
€ The board discussed three development agreements, involving multiple builders. After discussion, it was unanimously agreed that all terms recommended to the county commissioners for agreements with developers would consistently include the same minimum fees for each residential unit.
The fees total $1,500 "per rooftop" including $300 for water rights, $400 for parks, $300 for public facilities and equipment and $500 for fire facilities and equipment. All agreements would stipulate that the town had design and scheduling approval for parks.
Devlin asked the board to make certain the proper language was used to describe Pahrump in the development agreements. In preliminary documents, Pahrump was described as incorporated, rather than unincorporated. Attorney Cristina Hinds said the change had already been made in the legal documents.
€ Kari Frilot from the Pahrump Tourism Advisory Board asked for and received $5,980 to match state funds already approved for radio advertisements on the highway station and the highway country station to tout the Wild West Extravaganza, Fall Festival and powwow events. Frilot was also granted $4,011 in matching funds from the town room tax fund to advertise in Nevada Magazine.
€ A sum not to exceed $20,000 from available state gas tax revenues was unanimously approved for a truck route study. A comprehensive analysis will be made of freight movements throughout Pahrump to determine significant areas of concern. The goal is to formulate a plan for efficient movement of freight through the region while minimizing impact on local businesses and residents. A collision analysis is included in the study. In particular, accidents at intersections involving trucks will be investigated.
€ In his report, Town Manager Richards said an additional fire truck would be delivered toward the end of this year.
Before adjournment, the meeting went into closed session to discuss personnel matters.
Doug McMurdo contributed to this story.
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fieroparts.com Member
Posts: 4831 From: Maine 207-934-1969 Registered: Jun 2000
Lincoln celebration ties into county By PHILLIP GOMEZ PVT
HORACE LANGFORD JR. / PVT Actor Barry Colter portrays Abraham Lincoln for students at Mt. Charleston Elementary School Wednesday afternoon. When visitors first come to see Pahrump's historical museum they often ask, "What are you doing with an entire room dedicated to Abraham Lincoln? What does Lincoln have to do with Pahrump?"
Well, Nye County, which built the museum and sponsors it, was named for Nevada's first governor. George Nye was appointed by President Lincoln to be the first territorial governor. When counties were being organized and named, the population center was in the northwest part of the state, at the capital, Carson City. Southern Nevada was a lot of nothing - desert. Las Vegas was not yet born. Gov. Nye had a hand in naming the early counties.
"He made sure it was big," said Phil Huff of the nation's third largest county in terms of square miles. Huff is the museum's curator and donor of the Lincoln memorabilia from his late father's hobby collection. And Lincoln County to the east was named for the president, Huff said.
The museum celebrates Lincoln's birthday each year, in exception to the national practice of combining Washington's and Lincoln's February birthdays as one "Presidents' Day."
Huff said more people are interested in Lincoln's death day than his birthday, because of his assassination by a southern sympathizer in April 1865.
"His early life wasn't that interesting," Huff said. Both Lincoln's parents were illiterate, though they eventually learned to sign their names. It was highly unlikely that such uneducated parents produced an Abraham Lincoln, Huff said - a self-made man from coarse, frontier beginnings. Lincoln rose to achieve the nation's highest public office and to lead his countrymen with unparalleled eloquence and perseverance through the dark years of constitutional crisis and fraternal strife.
Myths persist about Lincoln. But as the rail-splitter himself once said, "Myths are shot through with truth."
Lincoln never read books by the light of the family fireplace, Huff said, as mythically depicted in paintings. Although his family's Kentucky cabin went through many renovations, there was never a fireplace in it. "It would have burned down the cabin," he said.
Yet Lincoln did like to put his long legs up on a fence or wall as he lay and read, which was at every spare moment he got. Self-educated largely, he studied the law to make something of himself, despite his father's misgivings about education in general.
It was the Missouri Compromise that ironically caused Lincoln to enter politics, Huff said. Lincoln believed that slavery was horrible from personally witnessing a slave market sale in New Orleans. Yet Lincoln proved to be a practical politician, always compromising in the American tradition of his beau ideal, Sen. Henry Clay of Kentucky.
Lincoln hated slavery, yet not until well into the Civil War did he issue his Emancipation Proclamation, freeing only slaves whose owners lived in states in rebellion against the United States. Lincoln needed the political support of northern slave owners.
When Nevada was admitted to the union on Oct. 31, 1864, it was because Lincoln desperately needed the three electoral votes the new state would provide him in the midst of a hard-fought election against a popular northern Democrat, Gen. George B. McClellan.
Above even the Constitution, Lincoln's ultimate loyalty was to the preservation of the Union, which he saw as a sacred duty deriving from the Declaration of Independence.
As everyone knows, Lincoln was a tall man. At 6 feet, four inches, he weighed only 165 pounds. "He was skiiiii-ny," said Huff. His "stovepipe" hat made him look even taller in a crowd, so he stuck out like a long-case grandfather clock in a shop full of mantle clocks.
Some historians speculate that Lincoln suffered from inheritance of a dominant trait of Marfan syndrome, which causes an abnormal elongation of the limbs. That may have been why he liked to stretch his legs out. Lincoln always said he would rather be sitting than standing, and lying down than sitting, anytime he could get away with it, Huff said.
Marfan victims are usually short-lived. Lincoln was 59 when he was killed, so he may not have had much longer to live anyway, Huff said.
As a circuit-riding lawyer before he went to Washington, Lincoln had to frequently stay overnight at roadside inns in Illinois when it was common practice for men to sleep in beds with other male guests. No one liked to sleep with Lincoln, Huff said, because he tended to sleep diagonally, in order to fit in the bed.
Lincoln didn't eat much, Huff said. "He was happy with a cookie or an apple. He didn't smoke or drink, and he didn't stay up late." And like many people, he suffered from chronic depression.
"He didn't seek help or talk to anyone. He had problems with everyday life. He would never sleep much. And at other times when he was depressed his law partners wouldn't see him for three days, when he'd be sleeping."
Huff said a DNA study should be performed on Lincoln's dried blood to determine the truth about his having Marfan syndrome. At Ford's Theater in Washington, where the president was shot, a wall splattered with his blood is preserved, and that could be used to test his DNA, he said.
But Lincoln's body won't ever be disinterred to make the test. His tomb in Springfield, Ill., is his final resting place, Huff said, "It's the most elaborate tomb of all presidents. There's a lot of marble statuary, and a rotunda with the sarcophagus in the center. It's a beautiful place. It's dark, calm and reverent."
Southern sympathizers tried three times to steal "The Great Emancipator's" body and hold it for ransom at the tail end of the Civil War, Huff said. In the final try, 21 conspirators with two wagons and a team of horses tried to steal him away, but Pinkerton detectives and local police shot it out with them in the streets.
They apprehended most of the perpetrators, but the tomb's authorities wanted to make sure an attempt didn't happen again. They reburied Lincoln 26 feet deep, putting layers of lead and concrete on top of the grave.
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Posts: 4831 From: Maine 207-934-1969 Registered: Jun 2000
History not just for the sake of history By PHILLIP GOMEZ PVT
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The Pahrump Valley Museum - experiencing increased attendance and a lack of common space for public programs, storage, administration, curatorial and other needs - plans an ambitious upgrade of its facilities at a cost of more than $500,000 and is designed to bring "downtown" to Old Town Pahrump.
A federal economic redevelopment grant of $439,000, administered by Nye County, and a recent land donation of two acres from Harry Ford - the museum's benefactor who gifted the Pahrump Valley Museum with the original two acres for the site - provides the organization with a shot in the arm to see the museum expansion through.
The grant itself has a history. In February 2004 the Nye County Board of Commissioners approved $1.2 million in federal grant funding for urban renewal of the county's scattered towns. But first the individual unincorporated towns were required to work up master plans detailing how they wanted to spend their allotted share of the federal grant money.
The so-called county "beautification" projects are designed to remove urban blight and attract tourism to the county's respective towns. In July, the Pahrump Town Board voted unanimously to come to the support of the historical society and its plans for expansion of the museum. The town board requested the county commission to approve the historical society's grant application for $439,000 from the Nye Community Downtown Development Grant Fund, which the commission did last week.
In making the grant award, Commissioner Patricia Cox warned the Pahrump Town Board that she didn't want to see the town board "come back and ask for more money" from the fund. Cox said that if the town wanted to spend its entire allotment, which is determined by population, on the museum's project, then that improvement would constitute the town's "downtown" beautification.
And that is just the point of the museum project: Unlike most older towns, Pahrump presently has no real town center, sprawled as it is for miles along Highway 160 and Highway 372. The museum's new funding will afford the historical society the means to move the few remaining historic Pahrump buildings, now being used for storage and as a thrift store, to the museum for restoring and preservation.
The museum's vision is the creative reconstruction of "Old Pahrump Main Street" for tourists to come and "see how living locally was in the past.
"What we try to explain ... is that there is no old city because the buildings were moved around to be where the population was at the time," wrote Gloria Wright-Huff in the grant application. "The Pahrump Valley is growing at such an alarming rate that things seem to disappear overnight," she wrote.
"Towns usually radiate from a central point - a circle or a square or along a water course," Wright-Huff explained in an interview last week. "In (southern) Nevada you don't have that, because there're no rivers around here."
When Preferred Equities Corporation was selling Pahrump Valley land in the 1970s during the birth of the valley's real estate heyday, prospective home buyers from Las Vegas would be driven to the Calvada offices and often to the old general store to be entertained with horseback rides departing from there. Like weed spores in the horses' droppings, new homes and subdivisions were soon sprouting up all over the valley with little-to-no plan for infrastructure or contiguity.
The historical society plans to bring all Pahrump's remnant historic buildings - a one-room little red schoolhouse, the old wooden general store, a grain silo and an old two-room Pahrump motel dating from the Boulder Dam construction project in the 1930s - to the museum for restoration and exhibit, along with the other historic buildings already on the site.
A wooden boardwalk would be constructed to connect the buildings in a recreated streetscape for visitors to stroll along and see the town.
"We would be providing (tourists) a photo opportunity where they could have their memories of our town preserved so they can show their pictures to their friends and relatives, which will promote the Pahrump museum and the town as a wonderful place to see and visit," said Wright-Huff, who works at the museum.
The county-funded Pahrump Valley Museum opened in October 2003 after Commissioners agreed to fund its construction two years earlier. The historical society wants to see the Basin Avenue historical museum become Pahrump's cultural center.
The "Old Pahrump Main Street" restoration project, exhibited behind the museum proper, currently has several historic buildings - a house made of railroad ties (built by Harry Ford's father in 1946 and then reassembled numbered piece by piece on site), the old Manse ranch house (dating to 1877 and easily the oldest existing building in Pahrump), a historic blacksmith shop from the ranch, a water-tank tower from a cotton gin and an old Pahrump Chamber of Commerce building.
The museum also has portions of the underground vault that once housed Gambling King Ted Binion's buried silver ingots under the parking lot of The Nugget Hotel and Gambling Hall in Pahrump.
"Old Pahrump Main Street" has been stalled since realization of its initial phase when the museum was built. Restoration costs for seven historic structures are estimated at $98,000.
The museum operates on a budget of just under $42,000, $22,000 of which goes for employee salaries and benefits.
During the past year visitors signing in at the museum's entrance have doubled from the previous year. From October 2004 to February of this year more than 2,000 people visited the museum, and another 2,000 are anticipated for the remainder of the fiscal year. The museum has sponsored several guest speakers and other educational events during the past six months and plans to continue such programs.
In the envisioned expansion, the historical society wants to add on 5,000 square feet to the present museum to seat the visiting public for lectures. It also plans rotating exhibits in cultural exchange programs with other museums.
Planned, too, is an exhibit preparation and artifact restoration room, a storage area for museum supplies and for storage of tables and chairs used for public events and for exhibits not currently on display. Space is planned as well for items donated to the museum reflecting Pahrump's fairly recent Anglo-American settlement since the 1930s and '40s.
The museum holds a small collection of Paiute Indian artifacts. Included in the planned expansion would be indoor space for a new Paiute lifestyle exhibit. Plans call for other displays of pre-1970s cotton-farming life in Pahrump and an exhibit on American military services honoring Pahrump's war veterans.
Parking area improvements will include additional paving, wheelchair-accessible sidewalks and lighting for nighttime activities. A sign advertising for the museum is scheduled to go up, as are security fencing and surveillance cameras, now that museums large and small have become attractive targets for thieves.
Planned enhancements also include: voice-recorded guided tour boxes for the "Old Pahrump Main Street" exhibits; new floor-tile covering in the museum; upgraded plumbing and electrical power enhancements; new computer; printer and copier equipment and a scanner for historical documents.
The historical society's board of directors has prepared a capital expenditures budget of $519,000 and intends to hire a project manager for its "Old Pahrump Main Street" project. The board has plans to obtain other grants, in-kind donations from local contractors and volunteer labor where possible.
Phil Huff, a society board member and curator of the museum, said last week that moving the old buildings could begin in 30 to 45 days. The target date for completion of the expansion and the "Old Pahrump Main Street" project is March 1.
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fieroparts.com Member
Posts: 4831 From: Maine 207-934-1969 Registered: Jun 2000
It would seem if Phil took money though the mail for items and services not sent or rendered someone could get him on interstae fraud. That is a Federal felony.
This is the same thing the guy that owned Peguses Engineering did in Oregon and went to prison for. Funny thing is Phil is the one who told me what he did and where he ended up.
I would watch around, I bet the Fiero items will end up being sold and if they are we will notice it.
If Phil wanted to disolve the club that would have been fine but to drop out of site like he did is just criminal.
I wonder what condition the Fiero items and cars are in? I saw them around 2000 and they were not being care for well. Flat tires and piles of Fiero items on dirty shelfs.
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Fierochic88 Member
Posts: 4985 From: Staunton, VA Registered: May 2001
They got my money 5 years ago when I got back into Fieros and never got a thing. I called Gloria a few times before they quit answering, promises promises, lying B!tch, they kept my money, didn't they.
May Phil and Gloria rot in hell, damn thieves!
Maybe we should all write the city he is trying to get money from and tell our story. Make that pr*ck sorry, what a A-hole.
I actually talked with Pahrump Chamber of Commerce and they are very interested in our story. Maybe we should find out how many here were ripped off by Phil and send this stuff to them. If anyone can come up with E-mails, reciepts, anything, maybe we could file a class action suit against him. Just a thought.
Anyway I told them to be very careful in dealing with Phil for thier sakes.
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I actually talked with Pahrump Chamber of Commerce and they are very interested in our story. Maybe we should find out how many here were ripped off by Phil and send this stuff to them. If anyone can come up with E-mails, reciepts, anything, maybe we could file a class action suit against him. Just a thought.
Anyway I told them to be very careful in dealing with Phil for thier sakes.
I called yesterday and told them the same thing and sent a email the Town Manager, no response yet. I bet if more come out and let them know what has happened he may be removed from the board he sits on (Society Board) and curator of the museum. He can leave town with his tail up his a$$ for all I care. They owe me a set of FOCOA headers $550.00 (part of a parts trade deal) a large blow up of a blueprint showing the layout of the Fiero Factory $ 45.00 and my lifetime membership $460.00 Now I know where he is located the hell will start, ask anyone that really knows me and they will tell you they are glad they are not on my shlt list. I will see this to the end!
Town Office Telephone: 775-727-5107 Fax 775-727-0345
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FOCOA dropped from site for two years. Now it's up and running again, I don't think so, and I see it's still listed in Anaheim, CA, but he lives in NV. Makes you go HMMMMMMMMMM. riping more people off I see. I wonder when he last published a magazine. Under events nothing is listed except a few old pictures from 3 years ago. Mail your membership to Anaheim, CA. I'm wondering if mail fraud charges can be made here? Hmmmmmmm
If anyone noticed PFF isn't listed on his hotlinks......... hahahahahahaha.......... I wonder why. A-hole
RedGT thanks for the link. The last time I looked for it, it was non-existant.
I was just going through the archives and found the thread I started 4 years ago about FOCOA and I had placed Gloria and Phil's E-mail address in it. I wonder if it still works No1FieroGuy@aol.com
Edit: I sent Gloria a E-mail, I also did a web search and Gloria apparently is still using the same E-mail as of mid last year.
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The statute of limitations for mail fraud and wire fraud prosecutions is five years (18 U.S.C. § 3282), except for mail and wire fraud schemes that affect a financial institution, in which case the statute is ten years (18 U.S.C. § 3293).
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5086 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
I'm sure glad I never invested anything in this stuff. I remember when I went to Osage Beach put on by FOCOA back in August of 2002. That was my first Fiero show and I thught so highly of those guys. What a waste, especially for some money. The things people do for money is quite unreal. They are into Fieros, or were and now that they didn't make it or lost money in the process, they decide they should rip off their own people, that is exactly the mindset of a crook in the making. I'd like to see something happen, as I may not have ever been involved in any dealings, but it seems lots of people have lost large sums of money. I believe anything over $250 is something to yell about. If 100 people got ripped off at least 200 bucks, that's nearly $20,000 bucks. I'd like to see people start posting their losses and make a talley. I'd bet though, most of the main ripoffs were not on PFF at the time or have never joined, but that's just speculation. I'll be following this thread closely as I remember my family thought that Phil and them were great people in Osage Beach that year, what a front they put on!
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Last night I sent a email to the local news paper, you can do the same and we can once and for all give Fiero Phil what he has coming. Send your story to DOUG McMURDO Managing Editor dmcmurdo@pvtimes.com
I thought I would post what Gloria said to me in a E-mail 4 years ago when I asked about the newsletters when they would sent out and how often, as well as the other things Promised, this was 6 weeks after I paid for my membership.
This is in part her reply: "First of all just because you have instant gratification through the internet does not mean that everything on this earth is in the instant mode"
Well how about 4 years later, and still nothing.
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007DOUG Member
Posts: 1280 From: Wheeling, WV 26003 Registered: Feb 2000
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