me and stupid often go hand in hand...at least according to my friends....
mentioned the idea to my wife and son and my son said he would pop the popcorn and my wife said she would bring the dr. pepper and they would gladly watch and laugh...
Heh, in all honesty I just had beginners luck... I'd never actually backed into a parking spot before. As could be evidenced by how long it took me to get there I was also cheating a little...
A clamp on cat installed before heading to the inspection will also work, it's especially worthwhile if you have more than one cat-less Fiero.
Everyone is just going to have to wait til next year to share in the fun, but we are thinking of doing it a little earlier in the spring next time.
If anyone has an input as far as what they liked, didn't like, any improvments that could be made do let us know... we're trying to suit yall.
-Amber
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Posts: 3061 From: Waco, Texas, USA Registered: Mar 2006
All, Thanks a million for allowing me to join you . Had a great time. For once, was actually glad I had to work in Fort Worth over the weekend, because otherwise, would have missed out!
Amber and James, as others posted, you did a great job planning this out. Really enjoyed "name that part," learned a lot, James really knows his stuff. Driving contests were fun to watch (nobody ended up in the lake!), fish feeding was fun, handmade awards were a hoot, and the fajitas were fabulous ("Fajita pans - don't those catch fire?" ).
Beautiful country, excellent weather, and super people. What more could you ask for?.
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So you are telling us you buy illegal inspection stickers. I guess I will stay with being legal I prefer not to break the law. I thought you might have found a loophole to get around it.
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Posts: 36677 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Spider, check out the dps website. They do have a wavier for your car BUT if you only drive it less (<?) than 5000 miles per year. To qualifiy: You will have to fail the 1st test and the second emissions test. The parts MUST be over $100 for it to pass ( which would be a cat) and the 5000 mile thing.
i had the web page somewhere. I think look for ... clean air check and the DPS web sites.
Originally posted by F355spider: I thought you might have found a loophole to get around it.
i sure would like to find that loophole for my 3.4 fiero. that's why i haven't taken to get it inspected yet, plus i lost the paperwork that i got from the previous owner when i bought the car. anybody know how to get an out-of-state car registered in texas w/o paperwork?
As long as you have the signed title you shouldn't need anything else, they'll just as you the questions that would have been on the bill of sale. As far the inspection goes all you need is the insurance card and they'll do up the out of state paperwork for you to take to get your registration. That'show it worked with my Arkansas GT anyway.
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Tom Slick Member
Posts: 4342 From: Alvarado, TX Registered: May 2003
the problem is the car didn't have a title. the previous owner said his state didn't require one on cars older than 10 years. so i don't have a title, or bill of sale. he did give me the lien document he had on the car from his previous owner but i've missplaced it. am is SOL?
i guess i could find a non-running '88 GT and put in the drivetrain and sell the formula for scrap.
I figured he was telling us that with money you can fix it right. Money does resolve problems.
My next question to this would be if you are paying to have an engine swap why would it not be done right? Why would I pay out thousands of dollars just to pay more latter to have it done right? If it was requested to be that way then that is cool but if the person who owns the car does not know he cannot get it inspected legally that is a different story. I was hoping for a loophole in the system. Tom if you go to the DPS you can get a title just be honest with them and tell them the story behind it. They will have to run the Vin # to make sure it was not stolen if it comes back clear you can get the title the bad thing is a lot of time will pass. You will have to get the car inspected first and get a green card when they inspect it before you can get the title. After you get the green card from inspection give it to the DPS. to get the title.
Spider, check out the dps website. They do have a wavier for your car BUT if you only drive it less (<?) than 5000 miles per year. To qualifiy: You will have to fail the 1st test and the second emissions test. The parts MUST be over $100 for it to pass ( which would be a cat) and the 5000 mile thing.
i had the web page somewhere. I think look for ... clean air check and the DPS web sites.
I MAY go this route
I will check it out but I want to drive my car so I will just make it legal, 5K miles would not last me two or three months. Thanks for the info should make for some good reading. I am a dealer for Catco or at least use to be I need to see if I still can sell them and most of there stuff flows good and most cars are made to run Cats anyway and sometimes a little restriction is a good thing for the newer engines they actually run better with the restriction. My next goal is to get a car that will get 50MPG so I can afford to drive the thing. LOL
...paying to have an engine swap why would it not be done right?
Who says it isn't "done right"? What is "right" is what the customer decides is "right".
When you give your car over to a technician to get the swap done, simply specify that it must meet all legal requirements when finished such as pass all mandated smog checks, cat install etc. before you will accept delivery.
Your "price" and your car will will reflect your desires, I'm sure. As Loyde says, "Money can always resolve problems".
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Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
Who says it isn't "done right"? What is "right" is what the customer decides is "right".
When you give your car over to a technician to get the swap done, simply specify that it must meet all legal requirements when finished such as pass all mandated smog checks, cat install etc. before you will accept delivery.
Your "price" and your car will will reflect your desires, I'm sure. As Loyde says, "Money can always resolve problems".
This is the correct statement for an installer to understand and live by. Do it the 'right' way per customer. Advise of legal if you happen to know it, but I could really care less what happens in FL or OH, or where ever if some guy asks me to make the install without a CAT.
Now, I am my own customer to my install of my LS1 to my Fiero. I will do it as I see fit and not some government/legal way. I have 2 choices beyond that. Label it OFF ROAD USE only, or go to an inspection station that sees a car drive up, and then proceeds to do the "legal" inspection. If I forget to tell him I dont have a CAT, and he does not check to see if I have a CAT, then I get a sticker. One thing for sure.. based on 1988 emission standards, I can make a 3800SC pass without a CAT. So what was the target goal of the CAT? Make cars burn / clean up the emission output. Well, if I can do that without a CAT, then I have met the goal of the numbers anyway. A CAT is purely visual. You cannot tell 100% that a CAT is good or bad with an emission test.
Amber/James, sorry some of these posts have deviated from your thoughtful commitment to hosting a Fiero get together. Hope to be at the next one..
I can back this up, being my first 3800SC with Loydes PCM passed the sniffer with no issues. My second motor didnt have to go thru emmisions being I moved to a non-emmisions county. Got to love that $12.50 inspection that only checks for safety.
Originally posted by MstangsBware: I can back this up, being my first 3800SC with Loydes PCM passed the sniffer with no issues. My second motor didnt have to go thru emmisions being I moved to a non-emmisions county. Got to love that $12.50 inspection that only checks for safety.
Who says it isn't "done right"? What is "right" is what the customer decides is "right".
When you give your car over to a technician to get the swap done, simply specify that it must meet all legal requirements when finished such as pass all mandated smog checks, cat install etc. before you will accept delivery.
Your "price" and your car will will reflect your desires, I'm sure. As Loyde says, "Money can always resolve problems".
If you had posted all of my statement you would see were I said if the customer wants it that way it is cool. I hate it here when people chop your words up to make it look bad. Please read it all before you make a statement. I was just trying to find a legal way around it here the Cat has to be on the car no sniffer test but there.
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sanderson Member
Posts: 2203 From: corpus christi, texas, usa Registered: Sep 2001
I don't want to get into the debate of cat/no cat but I think we should all be clear on what's legal and what's not.
It is not legal to tamper with OEM emissions systems period. Even if the car passes a state imposed "sniff test" without a cat, it is not legal. The state imposed standards used in the "sniff test" are looser than the federal standards the car manufacturures have to meet. The "sniff test" standards are meant to weed out the cars that are way out of whack and get them fixed.
As a practical matter many inspection stations do not look for the presence of a catalytic converter. But they have every right to inspect for one and insist one be present even if there is no sniff test. Up to this point the regulatory agencies have not seen fit to chase after a relatively small group of hot rodders to strictly enforce the regulations and have thus allowed us to fly under the radar. Whether they continue this practice in the future is anybody's guess
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cliffw Member
Posts: 36677 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by sanderson: I don't want to get into the debate of cat/no cat but I think we should all be clear on what's legal and what's not. It is not legal to tamper with OEM emissions systems period.
Also not wanting to get in the debate, not of cat/no cat, but of government regulations, I would have to observe that in this case it is not even an origional motor. So much for OEM standards. You are right however, we are under the radar, for now.
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
It was a very nice car... I'm usually not a fan of choptops, but if I had a few thousend spare dollars laying around it'd be mine. The job on the chop was amazing, I'm not going to say it's better than a certain someone's version (I don't want to be stoned to death), but it was very impressive.
Hmm, I wonder if my car needs less headroom?
Nah, probably not.
-Amber
I missed this, Thank you Amber, I was glad I made it everyone was great. Even though you used me as the bait for the Piranhas. My hat off to the cook. I would love to lower your top any time just let me know when you are ready.
I was also cheating a little...
