Another 3800SC hits the road with Stage 2 intercooler.

This install was done in 10 days from pull the 2.8 to running 3.8SC with IC. The wiring harness was built, the intake cut, the low mount made, the T-stat housing modded, the exhaust complete built, and all the other small items in this entire 10 days time. I dont do build threads as I go along, but here are the results of my work.

Pull 2.8

3800SC mounted and SC removed.

Inside a 27k engine. Nice and clean.

Before intake is cut

Intake now cut for the IC stage 2. I used my CNC mill to cut this.

Lower half of Intercooler section added... This is considered a GEN 2 IC with the lighting pockets, but these also add in silicon sealing. Product is from ZZPerformance. I am a certified installer for ZZPerformance now today as well.

IC is now complete with SC and PRJ fuel rails in place

Stage 2 Throttle body bored to 72MM, IC from the rear

Starting the OBDII wiring. This is the 3800SC engine harness ripped to each wire and connector. I concept build every harness. Each one is specific to the install and the mods.

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Loyde, I <3 you. After doing my wiring I think I'm just gonna send it to you seeing how you can make it that pretty. I'll let you know here shortly.

Edit: P.S. Who built that exhaust?!

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The headers are TOG (The Other Guys) Nickle coated headers.

Loyde

I hate the fact that my car is not next on your list of things to do. I am still saving for the LS1 install.

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: AC hose build.. I do this all in house now since I purchased my own cripper and fittings. Loyde http://www.fastfieros.com

Hey, just curious about this. What do you charge to make the hose fittings??? As of right now the AC compressor is just going to be an idler until we can find someone locally to make the hoses. Since you have done all the othe work (low alt, axle, wiring, PCM,etc) would be convientient if you'd be able to do the lines as well...

Just send me the Fiero AC hose set, and the 3800sc hose set, and I will do it for free with all the other stuff I have already done/attempting to do.. Your patience is appreicated here.

Loyde

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: Just send me the Fiero AC hose set, and the 3800sc hose set, and I will do it for free with all the other stuff I have already done/attempting to do.. Your patience is appreicated here. Loyde

man if only i'd known that a couple months ago - i'd have sent you my 3.4dohc ac hose rather than using compression fittings

Hey Loyde, could I send you my AC hoses and we can work something out? And thank you for all your help and support.

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Patrick Szewczyk
1987 Fiero GT 3800SCII, Getrag, Loyde of Fastfiero's pcm-low alt mount-tstat-prj fuel rails wiring harness, w/ 3.25 pulley, LS1 TB, total-seal rings, VS cam, P-M-P heads & intake, Performance3800 3" headers, stainless 3" exhaust+flowmaster, intercooler & water injection -soon, Spec Stage 3 clutch, Koni's, Rear coilovers, Held anti-bumpsteer kit, lowered 1.5" -CNC Street Dreams dropped spindles, poly bushings = everything, Bill Levin's lowering drivetrain mounts, rear sway bar, pioneer cd player, Dickman's short shifter, bushings, etc..., 12" Vette rotors & calipers- w/Ebrake, 17" MiM Venezias wheels + 225/45/17 & 235/40/17's.

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quote Originally posted by VISCERAL: Hey Loyde, could I send you my AC hoses and we can work something out? And thank you for all your help and support.

Send me the Fiero hose set, and the 3800sc hose set.. I charge you double

Loyde

Is it possible to swap the valve cover on this engine in order to make adding oil more accessible? Also, what are the ramifications of mounting the ignition coils in that location unprotected?

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Busted Up '87 GT

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Sighhhh.. you can do in 10 days what is taking me decades to do (so it seems). Awesome work Loyde. If I ever want to feel the power of a 3800sc I thikin I'm just going to have to find all my parts and ship them to you..LOL Heck it'll take me 10 days just to poly out the car!! Keep up the killer work... One of these days I'll be getting ahold of you again about the 3800sc but I'm currently looking at more tour time..Sigghhhhh
L8

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quote Originally posted by FieroMGDriver: Is it possible to swap the valve cover on this engine in order to make adding oil more accessible?

OK, I always get the valve cover question... Here's my explanation for that...

Sure, they flip right around 100%.

Now, how often do you remove the oil fill ? Really think about it.. I install ONLY 30k or less engines to my installs. Realisticly, the engine oil is changed 3000 miles, or 3 months if done by the book. You pull the dipstick maybe 2 times in the 3000 miles if you are lucky. You add oil ZERO times if you have a good engine, and a good builder that made sure there were no oil leaks. Bottom line is, you take that oil fill cap off 4-6 times a year, you look at that engine compartment 10-15 times a month if you really like to show off your 3800sc in a Fiero.

So, in the interest of CLEAN looking install. I dont flip the valve covers. I talk about this to the customer, they agree, and it is done that way. If someone wants the oil fill up front, I flip the valve covers.

I am welding the dogbone today, and I will get the up top pictures today. I have already drove the car 50 miles total since installed.

Loyde

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quote Originally posted by FieroMGDriver: Is it possible to swap the valve cover on this engine in order to make adding oil more accessible? Also, what are the ramifications of mounting the ignition coils in that location unprotected?

Yes, you can switch the sides of the valve covers.

As far as mounting the coils there, GM makes their connectors water resistant. As long as he doesn't go through a deep puddle I don't see it being too much of a problem.

Joe

Here are the intercooler lines someone asked about in emails..

Now you see the lines....

Now you dont see them so well with a little black paint.

The next set of lines will be sweated fittings and copper even higher up so very little rubber hose is used.

Loyde

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10 days
someone must NOT have much "other" things to do

Looks good loyde

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Loyde

You make everything look so easy...

Tony

Loyde - I hate you! Haha j/k man. 10 days is incredible - so how many swaps have you done so far?

Man, if gas stays this expensive, I may have to consider a 3800SC swap instead of a V8. You make it look really good, Loyde.

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For all of you guys considering doing a 3800 swap, I want to throw in two cents. I had my ECU Reprommed through Loyd as well as I ordered some tensioner parts from him. I can NOT express enough on how knowledgable and how helpful he was. The turn around on my ECU was A+ so was were the parts. I would reccommend him for ANY of your 3800 swap needs! The only thing I have yet to understand is his wierd voicemail thing. . . But again, he is A+ in his knowledge and service. . .

On a side note, Loyd, you remember that black Ferrari replica you bid on that was located here in Hampton VA, what kit was that? I just saw it yesterday on I-64 and was jaw dropped. About the only thing that really throws it off is the "GT 3800" Sticker on the back. That was the best replica car I've seen.

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quote Originally posted by RandomTask: For all of you guys considering doing a 3800 swap, I want to throw in two cents. I had my ECU Reprommed through Loyd as well as I ordered some tensioner parts from him. I can NOT express enough on how knowledgable and how helpful he was. The turn around on my ECU was A+ so was were the parts. I would reccommend him for ANY of your 3800 swap needs! The only thing I have yet to understand is his wierd voicemail thing. . . But again, he is A+ in his knowledge and service. . . On a side note, Loyd, you remember that black Ferrari replica you bid on that was located here in Hampton VA, what kit was that? I just saw it yesterday on I-64 and was jaw dropped. About the only thing that really throws it off is the "GT 3800" Sticker on the back. That was the best replica car I've seen.

Thanks for the kind words...

The 308 body was from a guy here in Texas. He is retired. The molds were one of 3 sets of prefect molds pulled from a Mera car. 2 sets were destroyed in front of Ferrari lawyers so the story goes. One set survived. That set recently sold to a guy in Oklahoma from what I heard. I did the install of the 3800SC, but it was not to the level of install that I do today. Harold wanted to update the install, but the body work killed him, and the expense of updating forced him to sell. He was just burned out when the car got a certain point of what should have been enjoyment of the car.

Loyde

About the TOG headers, they work in a fiero without cutting the trunk?? Aren't these made for the GP? Where do you get them? Looks good so far.

quote Originally posted by SOULCRUSHER: About the TOG headers, they work in a fiero without cutting the trunk?? Aren't these made for the GP? Where do you get them? Looks good so far.

The TOG's will not clear the trunk area. The SLP's will. TOG redesigned the output area because to many GTP's had banging exhaust in reverse. I hate the new design. Its all wrong for the Fiero area to work with. I made it work of course on this install, but I did cut the trunk at the bottom 4 inch mark. I might as well to have cut at the first recess however. I had to stand the muffler up, and this ate up alot of area for the exhaust to work out in. I love the TOG's for fit and function, but they are a pain to work with in a Fiero. I get the TOG's from ZZP. They have become and excellent one stop shop for 3800sc products.

SLP has a 1.75 and 1.625 tube. So, in the future I will work with these. I can work with the output better on this setup. However, the down side to SLP is the crossover tube. It is difficult to get sealed of no leaks.

Loyde

Looks real good
Wow 10 days that is amazing.

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Loyde, have you used the WCF headers? I like the fact that they keep the stock exhaust routing. That looks like it would clear up any fitment issues and allow for easy fitment of both a catalytic converter and a good muffler.

Here's my TOP shot for tonight.. I found some things in my other pics that I must resolve to feel good about the other angles.

Loyde

I know I have said this many times. But I will eventually have you get me a Fiero with a S/C 3800....... Someday damnit..ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Thats soooo pretty.

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quote Originally posted by FastFieros:

hummm MAYBE you can reduce the weight of the wire a bit I didn't need to use a hoist on mine

WOW!

That looks great Loyde! Can't wait to see mine.

--Will

nice install !
i was wondering which of the many available water pumps you used for the intercooler
Jabasco or Johnston or ??

thanks
craig

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quote Originally posted by revin: hummm MAYBE you can reduce the weight of the wire a bit I didn't need to use a hoist on mine

Yours didnt run either the first time you started it I believe you had to go back and add some wires ..

Loyde

Man 10 days, what took you so long, wouldnt happen to be the familar sound of the Nextel slowing you down would it? Would be nice to be able to jump into a project and be done 10 days later but for some reason that is never the case for me. But I guess speed comes with experiance and with only one swap under my belt, I have a long ways to go. Looks good as usual, cant really say much more than I have in the past. Like another member said, Loyde has a vast knowledge of the 3800 and is always willing to help out in the question department, trust me I know. Cant wait to see Will's car and have another 3800SC in the DFW. See you this weekend at the show if it doesnt get flooded out from Rita.

Heya Loyde,

I need A/C lines to run around my WCF headers, but all I have is my old Fiero metal lines. Would you still be able to help me out if I pay any added expense from getting whatever else you need?

Your Friend,
Greg

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quote Originally posted by vortecfiero: nice install ! i was wondering which of the many available water pumps you used for the intercooler Jabasco or Johnston or ?? thanks craig

The RULE rules... Well, that is what ZZP provides with the Stage 2 kits. I have never had any problems with it.

Model Number 203FC puts out 700 GPH for about $32 online.

Loyde

Well, I top'ed off the car with the decklid, and ice cold AC today. Little paint in the engine area, and clean up some wires.

Rear shot of the muffler just barely hanging down.

Loyde