Ryan, what are you doing with your T04E? You wanna sell it for really cheap?

Edit: Oh and you're a bastard. This is going to be my setup!

quote The engine started life as an L67, but now has L32 forged rods, diamond forged pistons, custom ground cam, ported L67 heads, custom exhaust, etc. just check out my website. www.fieroX.com I run 21 psi of intercooled boost.

You might wanna talk to the fellas over at intense racing. I think with this setup they were able to hit 27psi and hold 24 psi on salt flats for they're run (700+hp) . Would be interesting to watch . Oh, and put a 150 shot, just to try and brake something

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Na, I dont need to talk to intense. I dont get along well with those guys. I like zzp better. Funny thing about intenses turbo car though, they dyno'd 619 hp, and 488 torque at the tires. Hmmm. Thats the dyno record? Interesting, I made 515 torque at the tire. Torque is the actual measurement of power, horses are just a calculation from torque and rpm. So I guess I make more actual power. hahah.


Yeah, and Ill sell you my old turbo. it needs a full rebuild with wheels. Pretty much the only thing thats still good on it are the housings, backing plate, and center section housing. but if you know how to do work on them it would be a cheap start. You can have it for $50+ship.

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What octane fuel are you running?

Do you have wheelie bars? Are you worried about the front end when it comes back down?

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quote Originally posted by fieroX: Na, I dont need to talk to intense. I dont get along well with those guys. I like zzp better. Funny thing about intenses turbo car though, they dyno'd 619 hp, and 488 torque at the tires. Hmmm. Thats the dyno record? Interesting, I made 515 torque at the tire. Torque is the actual measurement of power, horses are just a calculation from torque and rpm. So I guess I make more actual power. hahah. Yeah, and Ill sell you my old turbo. it needs a full rebuild with wheels. Pretty much the only thing thats still good on it are the housings, backing plate, and center section housing. but if you know how to do work on them it would be a cheap start. You can have it for $50+ship.

Yeah, torque is a measurement of force. But HP is work accomplished. Just because you have more torque doesn't necessarily mean you'll be faster, thats what HP is for. If torque made you faster, every cummins and ford powerstroke would be waxing ya I'm curious though, the only way they could get that much HP is to get the motor to prob spin about 7k. Sounds fun

Oh yeah, and i'm looking into wheels for that T04E, might have to jump on that.

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21 psi?? wow, that's about 10hp per psi of boost right? along with all that other stuff in the 3800.
WOW... i can't wait to see this, sounds awesome!

screw the turbo, Get one of these


http://www.intense-racing.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/mp112_400.jpg

Good luck man. If and when I get mine done we can have that v6 v8 race everyone wanted so long ago I'll lose, but itd make a pretty wild video. If I balls up and spray ill be hitting about 500 whp. Dunno tq. Just a guess though.

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wow....Formula88 is being pretty much an a$$....if i did that....or 90% of the other people on this forum did that...then we would be banned now...wierd i think

wow this is getting intense. pass the popcorn!

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85.5 Porsche 944 euro *for sale*
73 VW Karmann Ghia convertible (sold to finish SBC swap)

FieroX I hope you are successful at each one of your goals. I don't see any reason to hope you fail.

quote Originally posted by YoungFieroMan754: wow....Formula88 is being pretty much an a$$....if i did that....or 90% of the other people on this forum did that...then we would be banned now...wierd i think

Hes like this in many post where he really has no clue what he is talking about. Always speaking second hand about things.

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!................

Ok thats not really funny... Why does this forum have so much drama? cant we all just get along? besides we all share a common interest. so it shouldnt be so hard.. FieroX has a good point anyway. he did prove that he could do it before. hes not a BS'r like many so why are people giving so much critisisim over his goal? we should all support this project as we do our own. as this would be a serious acomplishent. and id like to see it happen. if you must give him a hard time about it wait till he gives his effort. and if he fails then you can give it to him. but have a little faith. and lets hope he can do it!

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thread here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/058999.html
85.5 Porsche 944 euro *for sale*
73 VW Karmann Ghia convertible (sold to finish SBC swap)

The interesting thing about flame threads is how many people continue to talk about something after the fact. I haven't posted in this thread since last night, but there's been numerous posts today about my behavior, motivation, knowledge, etc. I could proabaly not have posted again, and the reaction posts would continue for days.

But, yes, I over reacted and was out of line. Ryan, for that I apologize. You started this thread to stir crap up and I guess I bought into it. I don't care for your self importance and boastful postings, but that was no excuse to go full goose bozo.

I meant what I said about liking all kids of engine swaps and fast Fieros, but I guess your attitude rubbed me the wrong way. People have viewed me as trolling this thread, but from my viewpoint I was reponding to your trolls. In practice, I guess there really isn't a difference.

Normally, I don't edit out my posts, preferring to let what I've said stand, either for good or bad, but in this case, I'll remove my posts from this thread in an effort to quench the flames.

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Don't foget to install headgaskets in the parking lot a few hours before you run!

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Hey X can you post up some pics of your set-up even if the car isn't done yet? Pics are always good ! Well i wish you the best of luck when you run that sucker ! Personally it doesn't matter if it's a v-8 fiero or a turbo 6 cylinder, if it's running 11's or better it's fast !

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X, let me know next time you go to the track. I'd like to see a run or two.

BTW, MAD is open again.

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quote fieroX:...just check out my website. www.fieroX.com I ...

Did, here's a the latest update:
"06-23-04 Dang, its been another 2 months..."

Try another 2 years

quote Originally posted by 30+mpg: Did, here's a the latest update: "06-23-04 Dang, its been another 2 months..." Try another 2 years

Might as well make everything secret. It's the only way to play on the street anymore.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: The interesting thing about flame threads is how many people continue to talk about something after the fact. I haven't posted in this thread since last night, but there's been numerous posts today about my behavior, motivation, knowledge, etc. I could proabaly not have posted again, and the reaction posts would continue for days. But, yes, I over reacted and was out of line. Ryan, for that I apologize. You started this thread to stir crap up and I guess I bought into it. I don't care for your self importance and boastful postings, but that was no excuse to go full goose bozo. I meant what I said about liking all kids of engine swaps and fast Fieros, but I guess your attitude rubbed me the wrong way. People have viewed me as trolling this thread, but from my viewpoint I was reponding to your trolls. In practice, I guess there really isn't a difference. Normally, I don't edit out my posts, preferring to let what I've said stand, either for good or bad, but in this case, I'll remove my posts from this thread in an effort to quench the flames.

Good job, Formula88, I'm glad to see you can own up to a mistake. I for one think that's great, I just wish more people would do that! No biggie, either, in my opinion, (although I don't recall exactly what you said to upset everyone) everyone takes some of these threads the wrong way sometimes, but luckily we don't always respond, which saves our butts, I know it has mine! Be cool!
Oh yea, Ryan, my turbo 4.9 may be hot on your tails someday, then again, maybe not, I'm nore concerned with reliabilty than speed. I bought PBJ's old engine!

quote Originally posted by Formula88: The interesting thing about flame threads is how many people continue to talk about something after the fact. I haven't posted in this thread since last night, but there's been numerous posts today about my behavior, motivation, knowledge, etc. I could proabaly not have posted again, and the reaction posts would continue for days. But, yes, I over reacted and was out of line. Ryan, for that I apologize. You started this thread to stir crap up and I guess I bought into it. I don't care for your self importance and boastful postings, but that was no excuse to go full goose bozo. I meant what I said about liking all kids of engine swaps and fast Fieros, but I guess your attitude rubbed me the wrong way. People have viewed me as trolling this thread, but from my viewpoint I was reponding to your trolls. In practice, I guess there really isn't a difference. Normally, I don't edit out my posts, preferring to let what I've said stand, either for good or bad, but in this case, I'll remove my posts from this thread in an effort to quench the flames.

uhoh I think the threat to his green bar made him feel the need to apologize.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: The interesting thing about flame threads is how many people continue to talk about something after the fact. I haven't posted in this thread since last night, but there's been numerous posts today about my behavior, motivation, knowledge, etc. I could proabaly not have posted again, and the reaction posts would continue for days.

Not looking to stir things up even more, but I found this part interesting. If someone posts something a few hours (or days) prior, people shouldn't respond to it? I don't hit this forum every single day, so I don't always see things right when they're posted. I saw your posts before you edited them, and most of them were flames. You can't expect people not to react to them, even if it is 12, 24, or however many hours later.

So maybe fieroX is egotistical. If I had a Fiero that ran like his does in the quarter mile, I'd probably be egotistical too. Yeah, some of it is trash talking, but it seems to be in fun for the most part. And egotism isn't something that is limited to fieroX. There's quite a few egos here. But at least he's backing up his talk with actual times, not just bench racing. And broken parts and emergency repairs aren't limited to him either. That kind of stuff happens when you're pushing the limit.

X, I wish you good luck hitting your goal. It will be impressive if you can pull it off. Be even more impressive if the car is driveable afterwards

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quote Originally posted by fieroX: mid life crisis aggression, and a severe jealousy disorder.

DING DING DING we have a winner. What do we have for him Johnny. (ace ventura voice)
Im not buying into the "Im sorry" bit from formula, he always does that when people jump his case and the red starts showing.
So predictable.

I dont like FieroX either, but respect must be given. At least he does what he says.

The bench racing mentality on this forum is unbelieveable

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I have faith........ I'll be waiting for the video.

quote Originally posted by GT86: Not looking to stir things up even more, but I found this part interesting. If someone posts something a few hours (or days) prior, people shouldn't respond to it? I don't hit this forum every single day, so I don't always see things right when they're posted. I saw your posts before you edited them, and most of them were flames. You can't expect people not to react to them, even if it is 12, 24, or however many hours later.

You're right, but I also didn't want to wait a week to see if it would continue. I've noticed the trend in other flame threads - sometimes days or even a week or more later and as people stumble across the thread they reply with all the fresh emotion because to them it's new, even if it's an old post. If there's been an argument, etc. and someone decides to drop it, for days other people will come back and contiue the argument - even if there's no reply from the person they're arguing with. I realize 1 day doesn't really illustrate this, but it's something I've noticed.

As for people thinking I was worried about my rating, I'm not. But when I see such an overwhelming response by people I both tend to get along with and those I don't think I've gone overboard, I step back and take a look at myself to see what's up. If I've made a mistake or done something wrong, I try to rectify it and take responsibility for my actions. It's not about proving who's right or wrong, either. My point of view hasn't changed, but I didn't have to be a jerk in expressing it.

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i just find it strange that if most anyone else had done that they would be banned by now....

quote Originally posted by YoungFieroMan754: i just find it strange that if most anyone else had done that they would be banned by now....

Not hardly. Look at Aaron's rating. Other than some banned members who came back and did nothing but troll (or get immediately banned when they were found out) it usually takes a lot to get banned. There are a lot of people on here with lots of red in their bar, but they're not banned yet. While you get +'s and -'s frequently, it take a lot of votes to ban someone. Even a new user with no ratings would need probably 40-50 negative votes to get banned. (judging from seeing some people banned with 50 votes).

It's not easy to ban someone, and that's by design.

quote Originally posted by tampalinc: What octane fuel are you running? Do you have wheelie bars? Are you worried about the front end when it comes back down?

Well, last time to the track we had 93 at the pump here in Wichita, thats what I ran. But with rising gas prices, the sales of 93 went down, so all 3 stations in town dropped the 93 and the truck doesnt make the stop anymore. All we have now is yucky 91. Im seriously thinking about converting my car to run on E85. That will be the project for later in the summer. I think for now, Im going to put in a couple gallons of 104 with 8 gallons of 91. that will give me 93.6 and it should run pretty good. I had it tuned for 93 last fall, so Im going to keep the octane in that range.

As for wheelie bars, I dont have them. my front end doesnt lift much. On my best launch ever, we could see in the video that the front end lifted maybe 1/2". that was when I was supercharged. Now with the turbo lag, the car doesnt really launch until I get about 30 feet down the track. Thats why Im running 1.7x 60' times. I think with my new setup I should be able to get my 60's into the 1.60 range though. Plus the way I have my suspension setup, the way it squats, its not really prone to lifting like Dons car.

gotta admit - sometimes you make me wish i had skipped the 3.4dohc turbo and gone with the 3800 turbo ..

quote Originally posted by fieroX: As for wheelie bars, I dont have them. my front end doesnt lift much. On my best launch ever, we could see in the video that the front end lifted maybe 1/2". that was when I was supercharged. Now with the turbo lag, the car doesnt really launch until I get about 30 feet down the track. Thats why Im running 1.7x 60' times. I think with my new setup I should be able to get my 60's into the 1.60 range though. Plus the way I have my suspension setup, the way it squats, its not really prone to lifting like Dons car.

What is your suspension setup and how is Don's different?

not exactly sure what all don has done, but heres mine. 1.5 coils cut from stock springs front, 1.75 coils cut from rear. 85 front swaybar on rear, poly cradle bushings, poly swaybar endlinks f&r, sensatrac shocks and struts, and rubber everywhere else. I set the camber in the rear at 2.5 degrees so when the car squats it plants the tire flat. Rear toe is 1/4". I dont know why it doesnt lift the front. Car just squats and goes.

quote Originally posted by fieroX: All we have now is yucky 91. Im seriously thinking about converting my car to run on E85.

Is there any thoughts on converting to propane? It's like 120 octane isn't it??

You need to dump huge amounts of it into the engine by comparison (gas has about 125K BTU's /lb & propane has about 22K btus/lb) which makes for crappy range - but since you don't need to go more than 1/2 mile at a time....

You could even do a dual fuel. Main tank for range, then a "small" propane bottle for ubber-power.

edit: propane info: http://www.propane.ca/Resources/propane.asp

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I hear propane does better on diesel engines. Im going to go E85. I saw a thing online, some turbo mustang guy converted to E85, and after the conversion was said and done, he dyno'd 50 more wheel hp, and 75 torque. Besides, its going to get alot cheaper than regular gas once the ethanol thing catches on. Not to mention how much cheaper than race gas it is. The 104 I run is $7.40 a gallon.

quote Originally posted by fieroX: I hear propane does better on diesel engines.

That's spraying it like nitrous.

I'm talking about straight up running on it! You just have to dump ~5X by volume more in. It's already cold, so of course more dense. It's got the octane going for it. Sounds like a win-win.

I'd run on it all the time, but the problem is your tanks end up being huge. No biggy.... if I was driving an Impala or a pick-up!

My brother runs his F250 on it. When he changes his oil after like 5000 miles, he can barely tell it's used!

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Not hardly. Look at Aaron's rating. It's not easy to ban someone, and that's by design.

Very true

quote Originally posted by watts: I'm talking about straight up running on it! You just have to dump ~5X by volume more in. It's already cold, so of course more dense. It's got the octane going for it. Sounds like a win-win. I'd run on it all the time, but the problem is your tanks end up being huge. No biggy.... if I was driving an Impala or a pick-up! My brother runs his F250 on it. When he changes his oil after like 5000 miles, he can barely tell it's used!

Propane might be a good alternative for a boosted engine because of the high octane rating but it burns a bit slower in the cilinder...hardened valveseats are recommended. I have a propane setup on my stock carbed 350 suburban and I can swith to/from petrol when driving. You dont need a real big tank because it comes compressed to liquid...I get a slightly better mileage on a gallon of petrol than a gallon of propane but its maybe a 20% difference...but for track only its easier to put in some racegas or that E stuff you have.
X I am looking forward to seeing new times and video's

quote Originally posted by fieroX: I saw a thing online, some turbo mustang guy converted to E85, and after the conversion was said and done, he dyno'd 50 more wheel hp, and 75 torque.

He must have made other changes to take advantage of the higher octane. In and of itself, gallon for gallon E85 contains less energy than gasoline. The manufacturers are showing 10 to 20% less fuel mileage on E85 compared to regular gasoline, (which in Texas is 10% ethanol).

well of course he made other changes. you can increase timing quite a bit with E85. I think they were putting like 8 more degrees at WOT with no detonation. Im running 17 degrees now at full boost, I could probably get away with 24-26 on E85.

I think you should start the E85 conversion right now.
You could have it done by the end of summer when the tracks cool off.

That would give me a shot at the ¼ mile title before you raise the bar.

This thread has already motivated me to pick up 20 gallons of C16 Racing Fuel.