Why is everyone worried about the patent? Myself I could care less how he gets it or if he gets it. He is trying to make something for US and at a good price. I dont get it.
i just popped in to help correct missinformation - plus i'm really curious what he ACTUALLY would get out of taking a drawing to the judge. sometimes you can protect your product by having notorized documentation of it combined with being the first to ever sell it. if someone copies the design they could possibly be sued .
from my experience in the business world - sometimes it makes more sence to do the minimal protection including a provisional patent (good for 18 months) and use that time to develop the company immage for quality and get a flow of clientel before anyone else would be able to try to copy it. sometimes the product will be a hit and you can then patent it with profits form the sales. sometimes it will flop and you saved yourself the extra money.
Cool, It just kills me that others have been beating him up and all he is trying do is put out a good product for us to use. But then again there will always be haters out there.
i just popped in to help correct missinformation - plus i'm really curious what he ACTUALLY would get out of taking a drawing to the judge. sometimes you can protect your product by having notorized documentation of it combined with being the first to ever sell it. if someone copies the design they could possibly be sued .
not to the judge... just to the clerk... then i'll have to fill out a form for it and everything, they will send it in for me and i'll get it within a month or 2. they will do the patent search at the courthouse i was told... that way you dont have to wait and see if you can patent it. might have some small fees but nothing over $100... which i dont mind.
and like T-bird said... why is everyone worried about the patent? and why is it that the people that arent interested in them the ones that are asking all these questions? its the persons choice who wants to buy them..
and Kohburn, i know you were just trying to help, but i've already done the research i need.
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12:27 PM
TXGOOD Member
Posts: 5410 From: Austin, Texas Registered: Feb 2006
You know aj7 I do recall hearing a few years ago at a seminar about securing the design rights on something and I don`t remember if it was just in Texas or what but it`s something about you could put your design idea in an envelope, send it as a registered letter to yourself, keep a copy for yourself of course and then have the letter come to your address but don`t open it and with it being postmarked through the post office you could have a little protection from future infringement because of the sealed letter and postmark date. I may be way off on this or it may pertain to something else but it may be worth a try looking into.
You know aj7 I do recall hearing a few years ago at a seminar about securing the design rights on something and I don`t remember if it was just in Texas or what but it`s something about you could put your design idea in an envelope, send it as a registered letter to yourself, keep a copy for yourself of course and then have the letter come to your address but don`t open it and with it being postmarked through the post office you could have a little protection from future infringement because of the sealed letter and postmark date. I may be way off on this or it may pertain to something else but it may be worth a try looking into.
heard about that before, it wouldnt hold up in court.
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Posts: 1604 From: Hayward, CA Registered: Dec 2003
How exactly do the doors close, with lambo hinges, with the window glass just kind of hanging in the wind. Most of the cars I have seen with lambo doors have the door frame that runs all the way up around the window but the window glass on the Fiero seals up against the top so I was just wondering how the door moves up. Does the glass have to be down for the door to work?
heard about that before, it wouldnt hold up in court.
Actually I believe it WILL hold up in court. Muscians have used this method for years. It is called a Poor man's Copyright. As a matter of fact my father used this exact same method once in court to keep Tommy Scott from stealing the rights to Roseeta (not sure on the spelling atm) which was my dad's one and only number one hit in the 60's.
Originally posted by 8Ball: Actually I believe it WILL hold up in court. Muscians have used this method for years. It is called a Poor man's Copyright. As a matter of fact my father used this exact same method once in court to keep Tommy Scott from stealing the rights to Roseeta (not sure on the spelling atm) which was my dad's one and only number one hit in the 60's.
well, i'm about halfway through the patent, going to get it in a day or 2. have a place to get insurance... will have the first set made next week. then i'll go from there...
found out someone in town just got a plasmacam (should be alot faster ), going to have them cut them, so they should look nice
i'm sure i can get the patent, so its just a matter of time... i'll post when i know more on when i'll be starting to sell. sorry for the wait, and thanks for being patient!
AJ
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May 23rd, 2006
naumanos1 Member
Posts: 438 From: Macomb, IL, USA Registered: Oct 2005
------------------ 85 black gt-converted to isuzu and duke-SOLD 85 black gt with fastback conversion-35k original miles!!! 85/86 2m4-parts car to swap isuzu into gt
i'll post and let you know for sure when i know lol... i should* be started within 2 weeks though... but lots of things seem to happen that ends up delaying when i think i'll be started... atleast now all that is stopping me is money though
i do know i will be selling them next month, just dont know when next month... heh
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Hi again. I have not followed this lately but I tryed too read it. Might have missed some. Was this a bolt on kit? Have you posted some pics of the ready hinges? What was the price you asked for the kit?
Hi again. I have not followed this lately but I tryed too read it. Might have missed some. Was this a bolt on kit? Have you posted some pics of the ready hinges? What was the price you asked for the kit?
hopefully the last time i have to post this... :P
it is bolt on... but not direct bolt on, you may have to modify the old mounting points... you will have to drill new holes (and possibly weld some sheet metal over the old) the kit comes with tapped plates that goes on the opposing side of the metal, so it bolts together "like" a weld.. but so you can take them off without cutting.
i have posted a few pics, but they were kind of crappy.. i will post when i get the first real set made.
$600 + tax and shipping for everyone here... then the price goes up to $750..
anymore questions, suggestions... anything, please post
AJ
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04:37 PM
Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by 8Ball: Actually I believe it WILL hold up in court. Muscians have used this method for years. It is called a Poor man's Copyright. As a matter of fact my father used this exact same method once in court to keep Tommy Scott from stealing the rights to Roseeta (not sure on the spelling atm) which was my dad's one and only number one hit in the 60's.
AJ7 is correct below where he says that a copyright and a patent are different. In the case of a songwriter wanting to copyright a song, there is absolutely no reason to do a 'poor man's copyright'. All you have to do to copyright a song the right way is file a Form PA. You can do one song per form or you can do 100 songs per form, it doesn't matter. And the cost is $30 per form (regardless of how many songs). A registered letter, as you said, will work but why do it when doing it correctly doesn't cost much more.
Response to your answer below.. Now it is you who is confusing a copyright with a patent. The song copyright form PA costs $30 regardless of number of songs covered.
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Originally posted by Songman: AJ7 is correct below where he says that a copyright and a patent are different. In the case of a songwriter wanting to copyright a song, there is absolutely no reason to do a 'poor man's copyright'. All you have to do to copyright a song the right way is file a Form PA. You can do one song per form or you can do 100 songs per form, it doesn't matter. And the cost is $30 per form (regardless of how many songs). A registered letter, as you said, will work but why do it when doing it correctly doesn't cost much more.
actually it costs $100(provisional, gets a patent pending), which i'll be sending fri. not cheap, but not expensive...
well... theres yet another delay, but this time its not my fault ... the place that is going to cutt the hinges out for me is really busy right now, so it might be 2-3 weeks before they can get started on them. so i will have them ready to sell asap.
i'll let everyone know when i'm ready to start selling... thanks for your patience
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Jul 9th, 2006
naumanos1 Member
Posts: 438 From: Macomb, IL, USA Registered: Oct 2005
hell i dont know.. been one thing after another and now its the people around here that were suppose to make them for me, i've got one hinge done, and metal and little money now... going to try and get a business grant to get started.. sorry guys, i'll still get these up for sale just dont know when for sure. i do know it will be this year because i have money coming in about a month that will help alot, but until then... not sure. oh and i have nothing to test them on anymore.. which is why i need more money. one thing after another... guess thats the way it goes though eh?
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Sep 28th, 2006
Saxman Member
Posts: 5151 From: Melbourne, FL Registered: May 2005
i still want the lambo door hinges but here in Australia they are illegal and if i use them my fiero will be defected and will have a week to remove them or take the car off the road for good
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Fino Member
Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
Respectfully this is not a flame. I appreciate what you are doing.
Please, Please, Please forget the Patent. Like I said I have one and when the people infringed on me I did not have the money to stop them from making my item. Think about trying to sue someone in another state, a large corporation with their own attorneys on staff. You can not just tell them with a piece of paper to stop it, this a disagreement between two people and the only way to settle it is take them to court .....MONEY! BIG TIME and an attorney will tell you anything just to get MONEY, MONEY! A patent only means the person with the most money wins.
All you want to do is sell to people that own Fieros because nobody else wants to. I think you will find it you sell the bolt-on kit to us and someone else wants to copy your design NO ONE on this forum will buy their product, that is called a monopoly and that is better that a patent.
If someone tries to sue you for copying their patent any Judge in the world will rule in your favor. For over about 2 years we have tried to get someone to build us a bolt-on kit and they refuse to do it because there is not enough sales for them to do it, but they make it for every other car AND truck AND YOU HAVE THE PROOF not only you have contacted them but many on this forum have also including me. Maybe we should all sue them for being prejudice against the Fiero and win a free kit for all of us.
It has been a year since this thread started. Make the kit …..MAKE the MONEY and spend it on wine women and song.... screw-it!
Again I am not blowing smoke this is a link to my patent:
Originally posted by CTFieroGT87:Saxman, cmon dude. These 11 pages are wasting space on Cliff's server. AJ, buy a Fiero yet? This thread makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
That's why we need to get a good/cheap door kit out of this. Think of how many Pennock's readers' hours were spent here. A nice door kit will be a good payback
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Fino Member
Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
A vehicular door hinge mechanism provides for a motion in two different directions at two different portions of the door's motion cycle. The present invention provides a hinge which allows the door of the vehicle to move outwards in a substantially horizontal plane for a predetermined arc, then move vertically upwards on another predetermined arc thereafter. The invention comprises a hinge mechanism having a chassis mounting plate and a swingarm. Between them is either a pivotal bearing or a hinge designed to allow the staged two dimensional motion of the invention. A spring or cylinder is connected at its ends to the chassis mounting plate and the swingarm. A horizontal pressure bearing surface and a cam adjuster cooperate to provide strength and precise fit of the door with the vehicle.
Very hard to get buy no mater how you make the hinge "provides for a motion in two different directions at two different portions of the door's motion cycle."
got a small business started, making some money to get started on these hinges... i have to drive to a place aways away to get them made, the place i tried here messed some up and i pretty much got screwd out of like $250(on one little piece), plus everything else i've had to pay for with my car. my goal is set for christmas. i'll make a new thread when i'm ready.
the thing with the patent.... mine is patentable, i do not care if someone else starts copying them and making them. i want a patent to protect myself from being sued. i'm thinking about ditching the lambo door kit if i have any problems with the patent, and making the butterfly hinge kit instead.. ( i plan on doing both). sorry for all the wait guys, but like someone else said earlier in this thread... it takes time to get a product out there... a quality product anyway. looks like its going to take a year from when i started.
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dude, why not wait til you graduate highschool, and then try to worry about hinges and stuff. I'm not saying that you won't get this done, but damn, I sure hope it's come along way from that piece of wood and skimpy ass little hinge thing you had before. It might be a good idea to get a fiero chassis, even a junk one, so you can work with the door/frame mounting pieces rather than fabricating an idea, then realize that something is a different shape, or in the way, etc. I haven't read this entire thread, there's too much garbage to sift through, but i think that it needs to take a turn. Are you actually going to produce something that will be somewhat functional anytime soon? CAD up some drawings and get it run through a 3d printer or something. Give us some ideas as to what we're waiting for. To me it just seems like your blowing smoke here. I believe that you think u can get it done, but will you? I doubt it. Even after a hinge or two are made, they have to be tested in the real world, then probably tweaked further, and possibly even design revisions. All that will just take even more time. I know they say Rome wasn't built in a day but if we saw some 'real' progress than I'd probably be less persistant about this. I really hope you prove me wrong, I'll probably even order a set from you if you come up with something other than what we've seen before...
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ok, back to your thread...
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dude, why not wait til you graduate highschool, and then try to worry about hinges and stuff. I'm not saying that you won't get this done, but damn, I sure hope it's come along way from that piece of wood and skimpy ass little hinge thing you had before. It might be a good idea to get a fiero chassis, even a junk one, so you can work with the door/frame mounting pieces rather than fabricating an idea, then realize that something is a different shape, or in the way, etc. I haven't read this entire thread, there's too much garbage to sift through, but i think that it needs to take a turn. Are you actually going to produce something that will be somewhat functional anytime soon? CAD up some drawings and get it run through a 3d printer or something. Give us some ideas as to what we're waiting for. To me it just seems like your blowing smoke here. I believe that you think u can get it done, but will you? I doubt it. Even after a hinge or two are made, they have to be tested in the real world, then probably tweaked further, and possibly even design revisions. All that will just take even more time. I know they say Rome wasn't built in a day but if we saw some 'real' progress than I'd probably be less persistant about this. I really hope you prove me wrong, I'll probably even order a set from you if you come up with something other than what we've seen before...
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ok, back to your thread...
already tested once, will be putting them on my camaro first. then if they are working good then i'll start selling. like i said... my goal is christmas. been having some money problems... starting to finally make some money now and then i'll be starting to have them made. i have to have someone about an hour- hour and a half away make them because there is nowhere closer with a cnc router... oh, and i've been out of school for 2 years.
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Sep 30th, 2006
Fino Member
Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
It appears you did not read anything I said. I don't understand how you think you can get a patent when you are making the door open out then up, as in Lambo. I don't know how this guy got the patent but it is hard to beat this:
January 25, 2005 A vehicular door hinge mechanism provides for a motion in two different directions at two different portions of the door's motion cycle. The present invention provides a hinge which allows the door of the vehicle to move outwards in a substantially horizontal plane for a predetermined arc, then move vertically upwards on another predetermined arc thereafter.
Didn't he just describe a Lambo door in the MOST simplest words???
If you ADD to this in anyway you violate his patent. Above is a link to his patent you do not even have to do a patent search. Ed
), going to have them cut them, so they should look nice 
