It appears you did not read anything I said. I don't understand how you think you can get a patent when you are making the door open out then up, as in Lambo. I don't know how this guy got the patent but it is hard to beat this:
January 25, 2005 A vehicular door hinge mechanism provides for a motion in two different directions at two different portions of the door's motion cycle. The present invention provides a hinge which allows the door of the vehicle to move outwards in a substantially horizontal plane for a predetermined arc, then move vertically upwards on another predetermined arc thereafter.
Didn't he just describe a Lambo door in the MOST simplest words???
If you ADD to this in anyway you violate his patent. Above is a link to his patent you do not even have to do a patent search. Ed
there are 2 different companies that have patents on them. there is like 10 different patents. dont tell me it cant be done... and if i find out i cant, then i'll make the butterfly hinges instead..no big deal. btw, my design slides backwards and up... i've talked to a lawyer and a few other people that know about patents and they say it is patentable. i've printed out some and read all of the patents on them.. you dont need to tell me about them.. let me worry about it. i'll start selling asap either way.
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Wichita Member
Posts: 20687 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
If you need help making them, let me know. I have a few buddies that are high up in Aerospace Machine shops that can get them made for you.
You don't have to worry about them stealing your idea. They machine stuff in the hundreds of thousands of dollars a piece for Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup and etc.
If you need help making them, let me know. I have a few buddies that are high up in Aerospace Machine shops that can get them made for you.
You don't have to worry about them stealing your idea. They machine stuff in the hundreds of thousands of dollars a piece for Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup and etc.
i need someone with a CNC router... or like machine. if it wouldnt cost me too much i might think about it
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Oct 16th, 2006
naumanos1 Member
Posts: 438 From: Macomb, IL, USA Registered: Oct 2005
I am coming in a tad late, i didnt have tim eto read pages 2-10, i got board of the patent talk. I agree its just saying whoever has the most money wins. But did i see something like 400$ for a steel set of hinges painted/shipped?
I am coming in a tad late, i didnt have time to read pages 2-10, i got board of the patent talk. I agree its just saying whoever has the most money wins. But did i see something like 400$ for a steel set of hinges painted/shipped?
i think last i said was $600, + tax and shipping..(will be $700 anywhere else, but here it will be $600.) i'll have to look into the tax, and shipping shouldnt be more than $50 i wouldnt think...
costs alot to make these, 3/8" steel sheets arent cheap, and then CNC, welding...etc heh... thats why i'm having to save up more to start, last time i tried things went wrong and i ran out of money, this time i want to make sure i have enough to get a product and not just a proto. i'll make another post or thread when i'm ready to start selling.
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Oct 19th, 2006
Chris Hodson Member
Posts: 3097 From: Carpentersville Registered: Aug 2006
ive got drawings for lambo doors ive had in my mind. But they wouldnt last nearly as long as yours. My ideas consist of door hinges, steel and skate bearings. VERY cheap. So im looking foward to not having to use my own design. Hope everything works well for you so you can help us!
i'm not drilling any holes in them, so they can be direct bolt on if you drill the holes in the right places i've heard so much about them being different, i decided just to sell them and let whoever buys them drill the holes in the right places, that way you could put them on anything.. like if you have some mods and need to mount them somewhere else maybe? lots of things with a fiero! lol
could you send me some pics of your idea? just curious...
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I called cardoorconversions about the "open straight up statement" and they said the doors do have the initial "pop" to open a little and then go up. This company though has had some "no comment" inquiries from BBB although it states they have resolved consumer complaints.
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Scott-Wa Member
Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
Do you belive they have sold over 10,000 kits? (wonder how many delivered). I worry when a company doesn't give a street address in their contact info also.
Do you belive they have sold over 10,000 kits? (wonder how many delivered). I worry when a company doesn't give a street address in their contact info also.
I WILL be starting to make these in Jan. i will have a set on my car next month and make sure it works properly and everything. oh, and i now have a new design and professional help with making them. i'll post when i'm ready to sell in Jan.
AJ
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Nov 7th, 2006
Comealongway Member
Posts: 586 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2002
I'm interested althoguh i don't see the purpose of marking them up to 700 for anywhere outside of the US, I will need Videos and pictures of a completed assembly operating ON A FIERO. Im giving you the benefit of the benefit of the doubt here goodluck with your creation and look forward to seeign it in JAnuary, I'll likely hold out on purchasing lambo doors until then.
Oh if you go through all this trouble i would hope that you still decided to predrill or at least provide measurements of where to drill the holes.
I'm interested althoguh i don't see the purpose of marking them up to 700 for anywhere outside of the US, I will need Videos and pictures of a completed assembly operating ON A FIERO. Im giving you the benefit of the benefit of the doubt here goodluck with your creation and look forward to seeign it in JAnuary, I'll likely hold out on purchasing lambo doors until then.
Oh if you go through all this trouble i would hope that you still decided to predrill or at least provide measurements of where to drill the holes.
the $700 price is for non-pff members.. for anyone here i'm lowering the price.
and i'll see about pre-drilling them...
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amflyer Member
Posts: 1389 From: Westminster,Maryland Registered: May 2006
There is a flaw in my design, it wont work right until i find a way around it. But im all for the bolt on hinges. I would buy them for sure if they were bolt on.
I'm interested but it'd need to be bolt-on. As these are not street-legal in Germany (no TUV certificate) I'd need to take them off every two yeasr and but the normal hinges back on...
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
I'm interested but it'd need to be bolt-on. As these are not street-legal in Germany (no TUV certificate) I'd need to take them off every two yeasr and but the normal hinges back on...
The LSD kits are officially legal in your country. It's mentioned in the "Luxury and Exotic" mag which featured a Porsche using the LSD kit. The test include some type of crash test using them. The only problem I see is it's a very costly kit.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
The LSD kits are specific to the car they are made for - and the TUV certificate is valid for that model only. And the chance of them coming out with a Fiero version are nil.
I called one of their installers last week and they wouldn't install a kit on a car that it was not certified for. We're in Germany here, you know...
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Originally posted by madcurl: The LSD kits are officially legal in your country. It's mentioned in the "Luxury and Exotic" mag which featured a Porsche using the LSD kit. The test include some type of crash test using them. The only problem I see is it's a very costly kit.
If you need help making them, let me know. I have a few buddies that are high up in Aerospace Machine shops that can get them made for you.
You don't have to worry about them stealing your idea. They machine stuff in the hundreds of thousands of dollars a piece for Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup and etc.
i sent you a pm
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SAFASTRO Member
Posts: 604 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Registered: Nov 2006
Hey guys.....I haven't read this whole thread, but why don't you do what FieroGTRwidebody did. He used Decah hinges.
Quote "" The kit we used was a universal Honda Civic predrilled kit. The great part was that two of the four bolt holes of the honda drilling matched up with the fiero holes on the chasis. We had to weld on a small bracket to redrill the two other holes and that was it. it bolted right up. ""
Here is a link to the rest of his build....with pictures....
Hey guys.....I haven't read this whole thread, but why don't you do what FieroGTRwidebody did. He used Decah hinges.
Quote "" The kit we used was a universal Honda Civic predrilled kit. The great part was that two of the four bolt holes of the honda drilling matched up with the fiero holes on the chasis. We had to weld on a small bracket to redrill the two other holes and that was it. it bolted right up. ""
Here is a link to the rest of his build....with pictures....
Been over a year that you've been working on this... thinking that you may not have anything done yet for the first design you've been promising and now your asking about interest in a completely different design. Hmm...
Are there any pictures of a working prototype or anything yet?
Been over a year that you've been working on this... thinking that you may not have anything done yet for the first design you've been promising and now your asking about interest in a completely different design. Hmm...
Are there any pictures of a working prototype or anything yet?
It's not a completely different design, Its very close... just an add on pretty much, I'm just wondering if anyone would rather have butterfly doors..
As for pictures... in due time, i dont have a patent yet so therefore i cannot post pictures
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Scott-Wa Member
Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
Been over a year that you've been working on this... thinking that you may not have anything done yet for the first design you've been promising and now your asking about interest in a completely different design. Hmm...
Are there any pictures of a working prototype or anything yet?
It's not a completely different design, Its very close... just an add on pretty much, I'm just wondering if anyone would rather have butterfly doors..
As for pictures... in due time, i dont have a patent yet so therefore i cannot post pictures
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And do you really think your modifications will a) get you a patent (waste of time in my opinion), and b) be defensible?
" In order for an invention to be patentable it must be new as defined in the patent law, which provides that an invention cannot be patented if: “(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent,” or “(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country more than one year prior to the application for patent in the United States . . .”
If the invention has been described in a printed publication anywhere in the world, or if it was known or used by others in this country before the date that the applicant made his/her invention, a patent cannot be obtained. If the invention has been described in a printed publication anywhere, or has been in public use or on sale in this country more than one year before the date on which an application for patent is filed in this country, a patent cannot be obtained. In this connection it is immaterial when the invention was made, or whether the printed publication or public use was by the inventor himself/herself or by someone else. If the inventor describes the invention in a printed publication or uses the invention publicly, or places it on sale, he/she must apply for a patent before one year has gone by, otherwise any right to a patent will be lost. The inventor must file on the date of public use or disclosure, however, in order to preserve patent rights in many foreign countries.
Even if the subject matter sought to be patented is not exactly shown by the prior art, and involves one or more differences over the most nearly similar thing already known, a patent may still be refused if the differences would be obvious. The subject matter sought to be patented must be sufficiently different from what has been used or described before that it may be said to be nonobvious to a person having ordinary skill in the area of technology related to the invention. For example, the substitution of one color for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable. "
You may have already destroyed any chance at a patent by discussing the idea here, I have a hard time believing no one has come up with something similar to your hinge, and trying to prove that it's not an obvious solution to someone skilled in the related technologies, and has never been used prior in for any application seems far fetched. The fact that others have been granted similar patents causes two problems... first that yours can't be similar, second that I doubt their patents are defensible either... thus a ton of copycats are on the market. So they can spend the money defending their patents, something it doesn't appear that you have the funds to do, or let them be broken. All a patent gives you is the right to defend it in a court of law. Someone interested in busting your patent would look at your finances and blow you off, since you don't have the resources to go to court. So instead of getting something to market, your wasting time and energy on something that won't do you a damn bit of good, and will require you raising the price if you ever do get to market because you have to factor in the costs of defending the patent on a hinge... the only ones that benefit from your patent attempts are those you are paying fees to.
Ask yourself if a getting a patent will do anything beyond give you a sense of righteousness when you waving your fist at the bastards that copy your idea and you can't do a thing about it.
christmas would just be nice...
i've heard so much about them being different, i decided just to sell them and let whoever buys them drill the holes in the right places, that way you could put them on anything.. like if you have some mods and need to mount them somewhere else maybe? lots of things with a fiero! lol
