quote Originally posted by AJ7: they are done though by the way.. AJ

Got pics of them installed??

quote Originally posted by Custom2M4: Got pics of them installed??

hinges(guess it should be hinge ) are done, not on a car as of yet... lol another thing i need the $$$$ for... i have one hinge, need to make another.

oh and.. when i do get them both made, i will only post pics after i get them on a car and it wont show the hinges. i still need to get the patent..

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are they similar to the "prototype" that was attached to the slav of wood?

quote Originally posted by Custom2M4: are they similar to the "prototype" that was attached to the slav of wood?

yes, just more refined when done. they have to be CNC machined... so the final product should look great.

I thought the termites ate this thread.......................

JK. keep us posted

quote Originally posted by YELLOWFIERO88: I thought the termites ate this thread....................... JK. keep us posted

heh... yeah, been awhile..

quote Originally posted by Fino: When you say 85° angle is this what it will looks like? The orginal is about 42° angle and your is 85° angle. If so........ you are boss Thank you Ed

dont know how i missed this... but yes, thats what it will look like, the door will be a few inches back though, i mean like if you moved the whole door the way it looks on(the 85) there back about 4-6".. will probably make that part of it adjustable.

for an update.... i should actually be getting the money to get started on them in a week - week and a half... should be started next month, for real this time!

i will only be able to sell them one at a time for about a week at first..

Price: $700+ tax and shipping.........BUT if i can get 10+ people that want to buy them (which ive counted over 20..), i will take $100-150 off of the price.

Lambo doors for $550 - I wonder if they will work on Fino kits (since the door skins are a few inches taller than stock).

When you get them on, can you measure the clearance for taller skins? Here is what the doors look like from the side - http://www.finiero.com/Finiero/FINIERO_files/1542_full.jpg

AJ7,put me down for a kit... If i dont get yours, i'll keep looking... LMK how much and where to send the $.

I'll be your prototype man i'f you'd like... I've got 2 fieros i can fit them on, if they work on one of them, I'll try em on my gem...

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quote Originally posted by Saxman: When you get them on, can you measure the clearance for taller skins? Here is what the doors look like from the side - http://www.finiero.com/Finiero/FINIERO_files/1542_full.jpg

shouldnt be a problem, they are designed to go towards the back more, so basicly the front top part of the door will be behind the fender, or slightly inside/outside of the fender depending on the vehicle... this way... they will work on more vehicle's... or fiero's with different body mods... etc the vertical angle will be adjustable. possibly the the outward angle too..

I did some checking and found Decah has a Patent #6845547 and #6808223. Vertical Door Conversions - some referred to as vertical doors, butterfly doors! All leading brands including Decah, GT factory, VerticalDoors, AutoLoc and more!

Here is a link to their Patent but you have to install AlternaTIFF. It is a web browser add-on (ActiveX control or plug-in) that displays most of the common types of TIFF image files. It works in most web browsers for Windows 95 or higher (98, ME, NT4, 2000, XP, etc.). to be able to view the drawings.

Download here http://www.alternatiff.com/

Then go to these links to view photos everything of how they did it.

http://patft.uspt o.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6845547.WKU.&OS=PN/6845547&RS=PN/6845547

http://patft.uspt o.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6808223.WKU.&OS=PN/6808223&RS=PN/6808223

You/we might be able to make your own by just looking at the photos. You can make your own but you can not sell it because of Patent rights. Now I will tell you I have a Patent and found out it is NOT worth anything at all, the man with the most money WINS. It looks to me THEY have money .....they WIN. It does not mater if you are not even close to their patent, you don't have the money to fight them.

Again if you are POOR like me you lose. I am not trying to discourage or frighten you, I am on your side and would like to buy your hinge if you can make it. This is for information to help people see the hinge and make their own. You can always sell icecream with FREE steel protypes :-).


My Patent:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4999574.PN.&OS=PN/4999574&RS=PN/4999574

I got screwed by the big guy, they made their own and quit buying from me. I made just enough to pay off my debt to design it.

Ed

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Fino
www.feroce.us
Member National Kit Car Club

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they might have more money, but i came up with something no one else did and i can market it just as well as they can. and i did know they had those patents about halfway through, thats how i knew needed to be different.

not too worried about it...

quote Originally posted by AJ7: they might have more money, but i came up with something no one else did and i can market it just as well as they can. and i did know they had those patents about halfway through, thats how i knew needed to be different. not too worried about it...

Personaly I say screw them, they don't even want to make one for our car that bolts on. I have contacted them and they say there is not enough business to make one for a Fiero that bolts on. If we can copy it I don't even care. What do they have to complain about??????
I just want a bolt on hinge and don't care where I buy it.
I posted the links because most people do not know how to find a patent, just because someone says they have one does not mean they do this way you can check. Did you see their Patent and drawings before my post?

Ed

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Looking forward too see a set mounted on a car. I want a bolt on as well.

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Regards SHARKMAN
86 GT, 3.4 Camaro engine,
choptop # 1 in Europe/Sweden

i'm not sure if it will be an exact bolt on yet... but i will try. the way i designed them is they will bolt on, but you have to drill new holes, possibly weld a plate where the old hinge was for strength(if needed) and then it will have a plate that goes on the backside that will be threaded for the bolts, then it all just bolts together...

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Hey, I was wondering if you know where Wakeeney Kansas is? I would like to come over and check things out. I also have a parts car you can have. PM sent also. thanks

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quote Originally posted by 1fastcaddy: Hey, I was wondering if you know where Wakeeney Kansas is?

too far..

100 miles aint that bad, I am closer than anyone else. Maybe if I haul the car up there, you could make me a great deal on the hinges.

quote Originally posted by 1fastcaddy: I need to get rid of it anyways, I wanted to experiment on chopping the top but that wont be until the summer. So you could have it until then and I could come get it when your all done. Does that sound good?

you have a pm... and my gf made me think it was further than 100 miles..

it says 105 miles, and 1 hour 52 mins, but I know I could make in about 1hr 15 for sure. its red 86 coupe by the way, it was wrecked in the back. thanks

quote Originally posted by AJ7:

OMG!!! Who is that incredibly amazing guy opening the door for Paris Hilton? He is like the sexiest guy I have ever seen in my entire life!

Got any pics of your hinge yet? (even a blurry one?)

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Best of luck, I really hope this works out as I am planning on eventually getting some sick scissors done (most likely on the inside of next year).

quote Originally posted by FieroRumor: Got any pics of your hinge yet? (even a blurry one?)

no sorry, i will post a pic as soon as i get the finished product, then i will start selling... 1 at first, then so on.... as i get the money to make more. should be about 2 weeks

I am glad to see this is still moving, if you got a list please put me on it,
Keep up the good work. Waiting patiently with money in hand

quote Originally posted by jsshark1: I am glad to see this is still moving, if you got a list please put me on it, Keep up the good work. Waiting patiently with money in hand

Ditto

I would also be interested in a pair, depending on the final product/price.

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quote Originally posted by bluefiero: I would also be interested in a pair, depending on the final product/price.

its lookin like $600.

quote Originally posted by AJ7: this is where the door should be with my kit... possibly even more of an angle... lmk what you think.

Not to thrash you or anything, but I dont see how you kit could make the door go that high. Seems like the pivot point would have to be above the fender to support a door going that high. Why are you so hesitant to post pictures and how are you even developing the kit if you don't have a Fiero to mock it up on? Just an observation.

--Will

quote Originally posted by Will-Martin: Not to thrash you or anything, but I dont see how you kit could make the door go that high. Seems like the pivot point would have to be above the fender to support a door going that high. Why are you so hesitant to post pictures and how are you even developing the kit if you don't have a Fiero to mock it up on? Just an observation. --Will

there is no pivot point really... well, there is nothing where the pivot point should be. its a unique design. i'm hesitant to post pictures because i'm still working on the patant... i did post pics to show progress awhile back, i think some are still up.. but i should have the finished product, and installed on a fiero within a month (giving myself some time, should be sooner). been sick for the past month so its been going slower lately.. just need another $50 (for the CNC) that i will be making this next week and i will start making them asap after that.

until i get a shop up or find someone close to do powdercoating, i will just be primer/painting them. could probably paint them about any color for you.

Actually, logically, the door lifting 90 degrees would be much more stable then the door sitting 45 degrees. since all the weightis going in one direction, not two. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out, Good Luck.

quote Originally posted by GoldFiero86SE: Actually, logically, the door lifting 90 degrees would be much more stable then the door sitting 45 degrees. since all the weightis going in one direction, not two. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out, Good Luck.

exactly

actually...using the same type of thing i'm using with these, i could make them do about the same as any of them on the market.. and more. and for a future product, i'm going to use the same thing with the butterfly doors, but they will have to work like the vertical hinges and the lambo hinges put together... above the fender at the roof's angle.

btw, i'm still going to try to have adjustments on the angle..

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A patent?, Hope you have $18,000 because thats what it costs..
A patent-pending will be about $300 and only covers you for 2 years..
Then again.. this post started when?

Funny thing about a patent, If you change ONE thing and call it something else then they can replicate your design or you theirs.. and IF Japan gets ahold of it then your really lost because our trade-laws dont prevent them from replicating ANYTHING we have patents for.. - Think about that one the next time you buy a Jap tool from Walmart of harbor Freght..

Dont get me wrong.. but IF you made it "strictly for Fiero" you might have something..

POST ON ! - ( the termite thing was a RIOT )

Rob

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Is there something wrong with this picture or am I missing something. Doesn`t someone usually make a prototype of a project, then test it out in real life situations, then improve it then market it and have all of his ducks in a row if you want to call it that. I like to see someone come up with a great idea as much as the next person but I think I would have at least a working product before trying to sell it to people. I know that a lot of people have investors for their ideas but I don`t think you generally ask your future customers to foot the bill. Only my observation.

quote Originally posted by TXGOOD: Is there something wrong with this picture or am I missing something. Doesn`t someone usually make a prototype of a project, then test it out in real life situations, then improve it then market it and have all of his ducks in a row if you want to call it that. I like to see someone come up with a great idea as much as the next person but I think I would have at least a working product before trying to sell it to people. I know that a lot of people have investors for their ideas but I don`t think you generally ask your future customers to foot the bill. Only my observation.

i still dont get the point of this post?
i'm not trying to sell them yet, people have asked the prices and everything and told me they want them when they are ready, i have a working prototype and had 2 others before it that didnt work the way i wanted, it will be tested on a car before i sell and improvements will most likely be made. i dont see anyone else being worried about this too much... if your not sure about them, ask me questions.. if your still not sure, dont buy them from me. oh and btw TXGOOD, i didnt even start working on them until about a week after my first post. i was just throwing it out there to see how many wanted them then.

and as for the patent... its actually very cheap and sometimes free, but you have to know where to get it and what to do, i have a friend with 3 patents that cost him NOTHING. and i dont care if someone changes some small thing and makes them, i'm not out to make a million or anything.. just tryin to give people the hinges cheaper while making some money for myself. and if they do, so what... even if i wanted to make more i could.. its all about marketing.

for an update... because of getting the patent and everything that goes along with that, it will be closer to the end of next month when i start selling. but this gives me time to test and make improvements before then.

anyone else with questions please ask.

AJ

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Yeah man. Keep the project going, patent or not, you're improving the custom Fiero community and I appreciate what you are doing. I can't wait to see what you come up with.

Your gonna need one of these..
http://www.plasmacam.com/index.php

Mines 2 days away from delivery..

Hey GODFATHER.. How about an overhead picture of your hinges??

Who needs CAD when I can convert from a bitmap??? lol

How thick? 3/8 plate?.. Because it does up to 1" thick..

PS: I have TWO Silver 1986-SE Fieros that are now one giving me an extra set of doors to hack into if need be..

Sorry.. hated to bump this post..

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