I never get involved in any of these things on Pennock’s but Archie is right this guy has got to go. He has insulted the Fiero community and local friends that work hard to put together great events like Daytona. I myself have helped at Daytona and hate the idea of a guy doing something for Daytona that has no respect for the car or the people behind them. Frank tell him good bye.

Crotchless pantyhose has got to be good for 30 to 35 and a 1/2 hp.

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Hey if Shaun is going, Will he bring his car?

I really want to see if he will dyno it with and without the "Preferred Performance PCV bypass kit".
Just to see how much horsepower this mod really does make.

Here is a quote about how he went 14.1 (in a different car):

quote "Shaun's modifications to his engine include a custom cold air intake system with a high flow K&N conical air filter, bypassed throttle body coolant lines, bypassed PCV system courtesy of Preferred Performance, ported stock exhaust manifolds from Preferred Performance, underdrive pulley, and the big kicker, a nitrous kit courtesy of NOS. Shaun states that with a G-tech he has clocked a 5.6 second 0-60 time which he says keeps those V8 boys in check. He states that if he was able to run 100 mph trap speeds like the Firebirds and Mustangs, he says he would easily be running 13 second timeslips.

His latest car has already lost to a few V-8's but on the plus side he did beat an old turbo 4-cyl Eclipse.

I won't be attending the Daytona show, But I have already dyno'd my car and ran the 1/4 mile to disprove Shaun's ignorance.

BTW ~ Does anyone else find it funny that RFT's "1/4 mile" thread has a SBC V-8 and the fastest car on the list?
http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=4744

Or the fact that Shaun actually congrats the guy?

From Shaun:

quote Also your exh really helps it to breath unlike someone else who puts that motor in.

Funny, my exhaust seems to breathe pretty well for a 12.3 second car and Archie installed it.

Sorry didn't mean to bump the thread off track.

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quote Originally posted by Formula88: Why would someone swap in a stock 3800SC? No cam. No heads. L98: 245 HP 340 lb-ft torque L67: 240 HP 280 lb-ft torque Comparing a stock L67 3800SC to a stock L98 TPI, looks like that L67 is the turd. But people don't seem to be complaining about that. For some people that's enough. Or at least it's enough to start with. Everyone doesn't start off with a maximum mod L67 either, you know. Besides, you don't need to understand it, now do you?

Turd? The 3800SC makes 5hp less with 2 less cylinders and almost 2 liters less displacement on stock boost levels. What happened to no replacement for displacement? They're both difficult swaps, but the V8 hardly seems worth it for 5 more HP and plenty o' tranny fragging torque.

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Turd? The 3800SC makes 5hp less with 2 less cylinders and almost 2 liters less displacement on stock boost levels. What happened to no replacement for displacement? They're both difficult swaps, but the V8 hardly seems worth it for 5 more HP and plenty o' tranny fragging torque.

Don't forget the SUPERCHARGER required to make up for that 2 less cylinders and 1.9L displacement. Normally aspirated, it's only 200 HP.

The point was, IF a stock TPI is a "turd" then certainly a 3800SC must also be a turd because it weighs more, has a supercharger, and still puts out less power and torque.

Personally, I like both engines, but some people will call one thing crap while praising something that can't even keep up with the "crap" they're making fun of.
And yes, that is "stock vs stock." I'm sure someone will mention you can mod a 3800SC, but I do believe I read somewhere that there's an aftermarket part or two available for the small block Chevy.

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quote Here is the number for Projekt7, 386-673-9057 I will go ahead and fwd this number to cletus as well since he seems to be so interested in setting this up himself instead of me. I mean why else would he offer to pay for half of it? So there is the number. Someone else feel free to call and organize it. If that’s what its going to take to get the fiero people to actually show up then so be it. I could care less who is going to organize it. But it seems like some of the more grown up and mature members on Old Europe do have a problem with it. I live 5 minutes away from the dyno and figured it would just be easier for me to do all the legwork. But if cletus wants to be the one to do it so be it. Or hell most folks are going to be in Daytona all weekend. Just call and set an appt while in town, and then there doesn’t' even need to be a scheduled event.

If you people don't want Shaun to organize the event, then lets see if someone else steps up to the plate. Now that the number is posted, no one should be able to give any excuses for not doing it. Really $45 for 3 with wideband, why would you say no to that? regardless of who is "organizing" it.

Here is the number for projekt7 (the dyno shop) since you guys can't stand the idea of someone that doesn't like this forum setting it up.
386-673-9057
I don't think it matters to Shaun who sets it up. I think the reason he was doing it is because if he didn't nobody would.
oh, looks like you beat me to it coinage. I guess I'm too slow.

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quote Here is the number for Projekt7, 386-673-9057 I will go ahead and fwd this number to cletus as well since he seems to be so interested in setting this up himself instead of me. I mean why else would he offer to pay for half of it? So there is the number. Someone else feel free to call and organize it. If that’s what its going to take to get the fiero people to actually show up then so be it. I could care less who is going to organize it. But it seems like some of the more grown up and mature members on Old Europe do have a problem with it. I live 5 minutes away from the dyno and figured it would just be easier for me to do all the legwork. But if cletus wants to be the one to do it so be it. Or hell most folks are going to be in Daytona all weekend. Just call and set an appt while in town, and then there doesn’t' even need to be a scheduled event.

Poor Shaunbag, he lives only 5 minutes away & nobody wants him. I wonder, could it be something you said?

Once again Shaunbag, you need to try to get your facts straight, I said I'd pay 50% of the 1st 10 cars. You already said you'd pay $45.00 for everyone who beats the time you run with your car. So considering that I have a 50% share in the 1st 10 cars, I have a pretty good chance of coming out ahead for the weekend, thanks to you.

Archie

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After Shaunbag is exposed as having asked Archie for a job as a Slack-Jawed Yokel
Archie sings ......... so I pulled off my hat & said imagine that, you workin' for meeeee. Lies, lies........

does that mean you are going to organize it or what?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Don't forget the SUPERCHARGER required to make up for that 2 less cylinders and 1.9L displacement. Normally aspirated, it's only 200 HP. The point was, IF a stock TPI is a "turd" then certainly a 3800SC must also be a turd because it weighs more, has a supercharger, and still puts out less power and torque. Personally, I like both engines, but some people will call one thing crap while praising something that can't even keep up with the "crap" they're making fun of. And yes, that is "stock vs stock." I'm sure someone will mention you can mod a 3800SC, but I do believe I read somewhere that there's an aftermarket part or two available for the small block Chevy.

Don't forget we're comparing a V6 to a V8. And even at 200hp, thats 53hp/liter with the 3800 N/A, compared to 43hp/liter for the TPI. Compared to a lot of other V8s, the TPI is a turd. 20 years ago it wasn't. That was then, this is now. And the Series III 3800SC puts down 260hp stock.

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Don't forget we're comparing a V6 to a V8. And even at 200hp, thats 53hp/liter with the 3800 N/A, compared to 43hp/liter for the TPI. Compared to a lot of other V8s, the TPI is a turd. 20 years ago it wasn't. That was then, this is now. And the Series III 3800SC puts down 260hp stock.

Uhhh.. Comparing just number to me both are still the same turds because they put the same turd numbers and numbers is what matters at the end. So if the new 2000s SC one puts 15hp more now the 20yr old still puts 50+tq more.

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Don't forget we're comparing a V6 to a V8. And even at 200hp, thats 53hp/liter with the 3800 N/A, compared to 43hp/liter for the TPI. Compared to a lot of other V8s, the TPI is a turd. 20 years ago it wasn't. That was then, this is now. And the Series III 3800SC puts down 260hp stock.

Let's compare based on engines using the same technology. 20 years is a long time and there have been many advances in automotive engines.

Now:
My off-the-shelf carb'd normally aspirated V-8 put out 62hp/liter.
A new LS2 is 66hp/liter

80's:
A 3.8L Normally aspirated was 140hp making it 36.8hp/liter
The Fiero 2.8L is 50hp/liter
L98 was 43hp/liter
LB9 was 46hp/liter

and just for the fun of it:
1967 VW beetle 44hp/liter.

Why are we talking about Hp per liters? The only thing that matters is who gets from point A to point B the fastest. Dynos only show numbers that computer nerds can say I have more HP then you. To me, I like the old way were you line your car next to the other car and see who wins. Then you can say my car is faster. All this my "4 banger has 60hp per liter crap" belongs over in Pep Boys Street Tuner Forum not on Pennocks.
We should have a drag night not a dyno day.

Proud88GT

What the hell is this?

It's like a free-for-all pissing/grudge match.....

Thank God I already dyno'd my car......... that's all I have to say.... have fun,


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quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: Don't forget we're comparing a V6 to a V8. And even at 200hp, thats 53hp/liter with the 3800 N/A, compared to 43hp/liter for the TPI. Compared to a lot of other V8s, the TPI is a turd. 20 years ago it wasn't. That was then, this is now. And the Series III 3800SC puts down 260hp stock.

Good point. Now, when was the last time a race was decided based on HP/L?

And I do have to acknowledge the Series III 3800SC has 260HP stock. All that high tech with a supercharger and it can put out 15HP more than a normally aspirated V8 from 20 years ago. I'm am duly impressed.

If you want to compare the best modern 3800SC to the best modern small block Chevy, why don't you look at the 500 HP LS7? Oh, since it seems to matter, it has 71 HP/L. Or an LS2 with 400 HP - that works out to 67 HP/L.

I am getting interested in this HP/L racing though. Do you have a schedule of sanctioned races? Does the Speed channel carry them?
Or do you just brag about your HP/L after some knuckledragger with dinosaur technology blows your doors off?

hmm, my little V6 in my sedan puts out 80 HP/L. :P

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quote Originally posted by justa6: hmm, my little V6 in my sedan puts out 80 HP/L. :P

You should see how much my lawn mower and weed whacker put out.

A Dyno sounds like fun.
Is there any place near the track to fill up on race gas (102 or 109 unleaded if possible)?

The point is if youre doing a V8 why go TPI?? It IS a turd.

Yes the SBC RULZ!!! Im not arguing that.

The motto you coulda had a V8 doesnt apply to the TPI, not compared to the other crate motors that are available now. (orief is a good example)

I wasnt comparing modded TPIs to modded 3800SC.

everyone gets sooo defensive about the TPI.

The only modded TPI Ive seen is ALEXFORMULA.

Most TPI swappers drop it in and thats IT.

quote Originally posted by 88GT5.0KILLER: The point is if youre doing a V8 why go TPI?? It IS a turd. Yes the SBC RULZ!!! Im not arguing that. The motto you coulda had a V8 doesnt apply to the TPI, not compared to the other crate motors that are available now. (orief is a good example) I wasnt comparing modded TPIs to modded 3800SC. everyone gets sooo defensive about the TPI. The only modded TPI Ive seen is ALEXFORMULA. Most TPI swappers drop it in and thats IT.

Who do you know of on here that has a stock TPI? The only one I can think of offhand is Newfi's. Perhaps you're thinking of DrCPU? He's not using a stock TPI. His car has a 350HO Vortec crate motor (330HP stock, I believe) and he's using a TPI setup with siamesed runners - so it's not a stock TPI setup either.

Not to mention, TPI isn't hard if you can read and follow directions. If you're using an Archie kit, it spells out exactly what to do. As far as wiring goes, it's much easier than a 3800SC, Series II or III.

It's not about being defensive about it. It's about people slamming it when they think less powerful engines are cooler, and then claim TPI sucks.

You mention crate motors. Well Scoggin-Dickey sells a TPI crate motor that puts out 357 HP stock. Does that suck because it's TPI or is it cool because it's a crate motor?

I don't get why it matters to people. You can pick up a used 350 TPI complete with electronics for about $1500. Sure, you have to buy Archie's kit, but once that's done, you've got the V8 swap complete for pretty cheap, and from there on the sky's the limit for any mods you want to do. You can upgrade to a crate motor later if your funds don't allow you to do it right from the start.

You can get over 400HP out of a TPI setup if you want to, and that's without any power adder.

quote Originally posted by 88GT5.0KILLER: I dont understand that comment. Ive seen nothing but arguing and vendor bashing and everything else in the fiero community. People are always fighting, and thats just not with the RFT crew. Shauna is just other POS that has interest (even though he will deny it) in my beloved automobile. Doesnt matter what 1 person does in the fiero community. In the outside world the fiero IS and ALWAYS will be a disrespected car. Im sure there will be some HUGE responses to that comment. If youre honest with yourself you know its true. The fiero is always made fun or some punch line in a joke. Its OK, I'll always love mine and dont care what anyone thinks.

Huh? Pardon me while I put on Dr. Dre and smoke a phat one.....please!

What’s the old saying, “If you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say nothing at all.”

Examples: Something to say….w/o saying anything.

Building up the Fiero community: Example A

http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=2918

Example B:

quote Originally posted by Archie: He has recently ragged on the Florida Fiero Club members who attended the Key’s Run calling them names & verbally abused them in Emails & on RFT. Check this out http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=4846 Look around a little more on that site & you’ll see that he has very little good things to say about any Fiero owners in any of his posts. Archie

Yes. We all have are differences, styles, taste, bluh, bluh, bluh but, have you ever experienced the general public displaying these type of examples toward your beloved Fiero? Jay Leno smashed a Fiero using a tank , a news T.V. personal comments negatively about the Fiero, or some writer talks about the Fiero in a bad light-----we all get a little mad and we all move on, right? Why? Because we all know that it’s the general publics view of our Fiero and we know we can’t change it.

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I thought the people that looked at RFT weren't welcome here since it is just such a horrible place :rolls eyes: . and all i see are links of people digging around there? why do you people go there if you dont like it? maybe because of the awesome tech section? no, unfortunitly. Just about every link that is post over here is from "RFT vs the world" section. I also thought Cliff doesn't appreciate links connecting these two forums? but i guess that doesnt apply to certain members?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Who do you know of on here that has a stock TPI? The only one I can think of offhand is Newfi's. Perhaps you're thinking of DrCPU? He's not using a stock TPI. His car has a 350HO Vortec crate motor (330HP stock, I believe) and he's using a TPI setup with siamesed runners - so it's not a stock TPI setup either.

Thanks for spelling out my TPI. I actually had no idea what was "special" about it. The engine is the crate 350HO/330 - don't forget all the chrome on the entire TPI - fuel line runners - and oh yeah baby - the siamesed runners. The chrome's gotta be worth a few tenths off a regular set-up =8^) If not - then it just looks "simmmplyy mawwwvelusss"!

The new F40 6 speed has do be good as well - Noooo?
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quote Originally posted by 88GT5.0KILLER: In the outside world the fiero IS and ALWAYS will be a disrespected car.

It's true the Fiero has a bad reputation, but here in 2007 when people see a well cared for Fiero it will turn heads. I just got back from a drive in my mostly stock looking Red 88 GT and people were doing double and triple takes trying to see what kind of car it is. The Fiero styling was WAY ahead of it's time and still looks good today. A modified one with big wheels and a chop top will literally have them drooling. Especially the younger crowd which in many cases has never even seen a Fiero before.

As for Shaunna, he is just rude and disrespectful overall. He is not the kind of person I want to hang out with.

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quote Originally posted by jscott1: As for Shaunna, he is just rude and disrespectful overall. He is not the kind of person I want to hang out with.

At a dyno shop, or anywhere else for that matter.

What about all the **** talking that goes on about Shaun? I mean, I'm not trying to defend him, but it sounds a little rude and disrespectful to me too. Isn't there some saying about a pot and a kettle that applies here?

quote Originally posted by Unsafe At Any Speed: What about all the **** talking that goes on about Shaun?

I called him Shaunna, is that disrespectful? sorry. I thought that sounded better than Shaunbag.

Ok Shaun since you are trawling over here for t-shirt making material, why don't you get your facts straight. My car with the "$hitty dash" and the car with the 4.9 "powa" and the rear diffuser you liked so much are two completely different cars. Unless I figure a way to drive two cars at once you won't see both of them at Daytona. By the way, I removed the diffuser and put it in the trash, so making fun of it doesn't hurt my feelings.

Sorry to disappoint you but if I show up in Daytona this year it will be in the car with the "$hitty dash" which has a bone stock 2.8 V6 and a bone stock exterior. So I fail to see how you intend to nominate me for ricekiller.org? But I appreciate the sentiment. And I won't be bringing my car to the dyno because we all know what a bone stock 2.8 is good for.

I'll be happy to accept any t-shirt you would like to donate. I can drop it off at the homeless shelter on the way home. Maybe deep down inside there is good in you but you come across to me as a rude and disrespectful person on the net. I have never insulted your car, and I defy you to find a post where I have.

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quote Originally posted by jscott1: I called him Shaunna, is that disrespectful? sorry. I thought that sounded better than Shaunbag.

I'm not talking about just you specifically.

quote Originally posted by Unsafe At Any Speed: I'm not talking about just you specifically.

Maybe you should tell us just who specifically you are talking about while you're still here.

As for Shaunbag, he's getting a little dose of what he's been dishing out for the last couple of years & he's crying about it. Now he's getting people like you and Coinage to come over to beg us to leave him alone.

Now go running back & tell him that we're not even close to done yet.

Archie

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After Shaunbag is exposed as having asked Archie for a job as a Slack-Jawed Yokel
Archie sings ......... so I pulled off my hat & said imagine that, you workin' for meeeee. Lies, lies........

you sir cletbag, were the one who ruined this thread, and im not defending anyone.

Ok, since im defending Shaun, lets see what i have said:

quote Originally posted by Coinage: If i wasnt 1000+ miles away and had my car done by then i would love to go, maybe next year...

quote Originally posted by Coinage: ttt

quote Originally posted by Coinage: lol... Don't hold your breath

quote Originally posted by Coinage: who cares about who the hell is running it, go and see what your what time and money is actually be put towards...

quote Originally posted by Coinage: If you people don't want Shaun to organize the event, then lets see if someone else steps up to the plate. Now that the number is posted, no one should be able to give any excuses for not doing it. Really $45 for 3 with wideband, why would you say no to that? regardless of who is "organizing" it.

quote Originally posted by Coinage: does that mean you are going to organize it or what?

quote Originally posted by Coinage: I thought the people that looked at RFT weren't welcome here since it is just such a horrible place :rolls eyes: . and all i see are links of people digging around there? why do you people go there if you dont like it? maybe because of the awesome tech section? no, unfortunitly. Just about every link that is post over here is from "RFT vs the world" section. I also thought Cliff doesn't appreciate links connecting these two forums? but i guess that doesnt apply to certain members?

get your facts straight, oh and by the way you never answered my question.

If you never wanted to dyno your **** why even post in this? let people make their own judgement calls and not be influenced by another... people that have a problem with you dont stand infront of your shop telling potential customers not to go in because of something that happened between you and that person. get over yourself already

quote Originally posted by Coinage:

quote Originally posted by Archie: Maybe you should tell us just who specifically you are talking about while you're still here. As for Shaunbag, he's getting a little dose of what he's been dishing out for the last couple of years & he's crying about it. Now he's getting people like you and Coinage to come over to beg us to leave him alone. Now go running back & tell him that we're not even close to done yet. Archie

I'm not doing anything for anyone, let alone begging. I just find it to be messed up that some people can sit around and break the forum rules while others can't. And what ever happened to being the bigger man? (That's a figurative phrase, not literal)

quote Originally posted by Formula88:

I just read this thread for the first time. Coinage has been nothing but civil and you are acting like a jackass.

quote Originally posted by Coinage: you sir cletbag, were the one who ruined this thread, and im not defending anyone. get your facts straight, oh and by the way you never answered my question. If you never wanted to dyno your **** why even post in this? let people make their own judgement calls and not be influenced by another... people that have a problem with you dont stand infront of your shop telling potential customers not to go in because of something that happened between you and that person. get over yourself already

You should get your facts straight.

I've read your quotes & I've also seen the quotes you were responding to & I still have the opinion that you're one of Shaunbag's boys in this thread.

I gave my opinion, I'm allowed to have an opinion aren't I?

I stated that I'd love to participate in a Dyno event on Sunday. I also stated regrets that I'd have to boycott any event put on by Shaunbag because of his actions & statements. Anyone who puts out as much hate as Shaunbag doesnot deserve my support or participation.

No, I'm not going to make an extra trip to FL to setup a Dyno day. My situation makes it real hard to make the trip to FL for the show let alone an extra trip to setup a Dyno day. I won't know for sure that I'll be able to make any out of town trip to any show this year until the day before I need to leave. So it would be impractical for me to setup an event in FL.

A new shop just opened up only 3 blocks from my shop & they've installed a Dyno, so we don't have to make a trip to FL to put a car on a Dyno.

quote Originally posted by Unsafe At Any Speed: I just find it to be messed up that some people can sit around and break the forum rules while others can't. And what ever happened to being the bigger man? (That's a figurative phrase, not literal)

Been there, done that, I've spent the last 2 years ignoring the name calling, filth & lies that have been coming out of Shaunbag's keyboard.

Now, he's getting it back in kind & he's crying about it. POOR Shaunbag.

I can't speak for Cliff, but when Shaunbag posts up a picture of a Horse head & calls it Cliff's wife, I'll bet Cliff even wants to stretch the rules a little. If I was Cliff, I'd be ready to pound that little punk into the ground.

Forget about rules, let's talk about decency. My wife has MS, Cancer (she's winning that for now) & diabetes & can barely walk across the room with a walker. I'd give 10 years of my life if she could have just one day without MS & if we could have just one walk in the park on a Spring day. Maybe Shaunbag has a picture for that.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I don't get why it matters to people. You can pick up a used 350 TPI complete with electronics for about $1500. Sure, you have to buy Archie's kit, but once that's done, you've got the V8 swap complete for pretty cheap, and from there on the sky's the limit for any mods you want to do. You can upgrade to a crate motor later if your funds don't allow you to do it right from the start. You can get over 400HP out of a TPI setup if you want to, and that's without any power adder.

wow 1500 seems a bit steep. I got my LT1 complete with36000 miles fr 800.

And who gives a sh1t who's organising it, dyno it. You'll either shut him up, or give him more ammo. either way we have good vids/pics.

Well, I've just read through the replies and looked at some of the threads from other than PFF since I posted my offer to buy dinner for anyone who dynos more HP than my car (my Fiero). All I can say is thank God I live in America. We're free to say what we like and we're free to kick someone's ass that deserves it. You can insult me all you like, but when you insult my wife you've gone over the top. Since I do not wish to further encourage someone getting their ass kicked, I am hereby withdrawing my offer - I will not participate in the Dyno "event.". I don't think "Shaunbag" or whatever his name is is the kind of person i want in my circle of Fiero friends, and I think his assistance (if thats what it can be called) to set up any club-sponsored activity should be declined. I strongly recommend that Central Florida Fieros and Space Coast Fieros disassociate themselves from this person and any event he wants to set up - regardless of his age. He's just not the kind of person I want to see at our events. I'll do the cruise to KSC thank you.

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quote Originally posted by Coinage: If you never wanted to dyno your **** why even post in this?

We could ask you the same question...........but we know the answer.

quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: I don't think "Shaunbag" or whatever his name is is the kind of person i want in my circle of Fiero friends, and I think his assistance (if thats what it can be called) to set up any club-sponsored activity should be declined.

Mr. Shaun has apparently added me to the list of people he hates on and has proceeded to fill my inbox with obcenities and racist insults to me and my car. The worst thing I have done to him is to call him "shauna" if that was insulting, I apologise. Nevertheless, he feels like he can start threads on RFT ridiculing me and my car and sending my email account obscenity laced messages, (Shaun, I didn't bother to read the last one so whatever you said is known only to yourself). I have been nothing but polite to him in my messages, yet he has shown himself to be a man of very low moral character. Anyone that spends so much energy hating on other people should seek treatment. This is not the kind of person the Fiero community should associtate with in my opinion.

I lurked the "insurgent" site and found several thread plastered on the first page regarding "Cletus" and the worst one of them all....a picture of a horse. That's the lowest of them all, involving a mans' wife depicted as a horse. Although I'm a fan of any motor (other thing other than a stock motor) is good in my book....I'll never attend or have any association with anyone with low morals at a Dyno piss-off contest.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: wow 1500 seems a bit steep. I got my LT1 complete with36000 miles fr 800. And who gives a sh1t who's organising it, dyno it. You'll either shut him up, or give him more ammo. either way we have good vids/pics.

I got the $1500 figure from a quick search on Car-part.com. Plus, I think you'll find an F-body or Y-body LT1 will cost more than the B-body version. Still, $800 is a great price. I would be glad to find most engines in good shape at that price. You did good.