quote Originally posted by CaliforniaSpeeder9: Theyve made quite a few mid engine corvette concepts. Its a shame this blue one never made it. My god its pretty. Looks like a Camaro had sex with an NSX lol

Looks kinda like a Jaguar XJ220.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Will that 11 second car you built for under $7000 come with A/C and all the power toys? Cruise control? Nice sound system? Will it pull close to 1g on a skidpad? Will it get over 20 mpg? Will it be covered by a bumper to bumper warranty? Will it pass emissions? Will you get something comfortable and nice looking for your $7000? Or just a piece of crap with a big engine? Would you actually equate a home built $7k 11sec car with a new Z06? Heck, why not just by a '73 Vega and put a JATO bottle on it? That would be cheaper still, right?

We're not talking about heated seats and all that crap. Personally I think it's overrated. I'm just talking about times here. Hell I took my AC out, I always just pop the sunroof and roll down the windows. Heck, I deleted all my emission stuff too. Just more crap the goverment makes u put on your car to be slower. I think it would be fun as hell to smoke a vette with a Fiero haha, they just spent all that money all their car to get beat by a Fiero. Theres a 10sec GEO that lives by me, now thats a sleeper. Just depends what your into really. Maybe when I get older I would want traction control, power steering, gauge in my car that tells me my tire presure and all that other over engineer stuff O.K, maybe I woundn't mind having power steering haha. Anyways, didn't mean to start anything... I was just messin with ya all

This has been brought up before but...most all corvettes are already mid engine. Technically, mid engine means engine mounted behind front axle and ahead of rear. Rear engined is mounted behind rear axle like in Porsche 911. It just sort of ' evolved ' into meaning 'behind the driver'.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: This has been brought up before but...most all corvettes are already mid engine. Technically, mid engine means engine mounted behind front axle and ahead of rear. Rear engined is mounted behind rear axle like in Porsche 911. It just sort of ' evolved ' into meaning 'behind the driver'.

Yep, that's exactly the definition of "mid-engine".(if maybe not the pop culture one) If I remember correctly the Dodge Viper would be considered "mid-engine" as well as the wheels are pushed out into the corners and the engine is behind the front axle. Another example would be the Rx-8 (but that's kind of cheating as that engine is tiny by the physical volume it takes up )

-M

The bottom line is that the new Z06 and the new coming Corvette SS will run as well or better than most Rear mid engine cars on the market. The balance of the car is what counts not where the engine is.

Too many make a big deal out of the engine behind the seat because of the sexy Ferrari exotic factor and nothing else.

The only advantage in a Enzo has in engine placment is Aero. They can keep the nose lower and work to control the air under the car a little better. Even Indy cars have engine placement where it is to take advantage of the small frontal area.

If most will notice Ferrari is making more front engine cars as is Porsche and other companies. With wheel bases on cars today as long as they are they give ample room to balance a car that was not possible years ago with a SWB.

Tradition of the front engine is a badge of honor with many Vette owners and some traditions are hard to change. This is one I will not expect to change or see happen at GM for a good while.

FYI even the Solstice is Mid engine and near 50/50 balance. That is why is will run circles around many cars with out any real exotic gimicks.

Most mid engine placments in lower cost cars are just hard to justify for low volume production as most parts are not able to be shares if they build the car to the degree that is expected. Few people will be willing to pay for a FWD transaxle from a Buick in a 100K Vette. The way they built the Fiero just won't work in this case. Besides the Fiero payed a price for sharing too much in the 84-87 cars anyway.

I think you guys are missing the point. The Fiero is still being talked about. Every few years GM discusses the Fiero and the possible resurrection of it. The point I think is ... the Fiero ain't goin' away no matter how hard GM tries to get rid of it. The Pontiac Fiero is not going to be in the category of Pinto, Pacer, or even the sweet Gremlin. No matter how many people hate our cars there is still a little bit of doubt in the back of their minds, "yada yada yada, BUT they were ahead of their time or well they catch on fire alot, BUT damn its a sexy little thing." The more respect there is for the Fiero the better the chance it has on becoming reincarnated. But, that could be a long shot because we've lost John DeLorean one of the ballsiest GM designers of our time.

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quote Originally posted by greengoblin0129: Yea, u can go out and blow 65K on a 11sec car if u have a small penis...or u can build a 11sec car for easily under 7K.

My vote goes for the lil pee pee and the Z06.

quote Originally posted by greengoblin0129: We're not talking about heated seats and all that crap. Personally I think it's overrated. I'm just talking about times here. l

Well if you want a 10 second 1/4 mile piece of crap Fiero, yeah you can bolt a 7K engine/tranny to a piece of crap Fiero and smoke a Z06. But I would rather drive the Z06 the 99.9999% rest of the time.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Well if you want a 10 second 1/4 mile piece of crap Fiero, yeah you can bolt a 7K engine/tranny to a piece of crap Fiero and smoke a Z06. But I would rather drive the Z06 the 99.9999% rest of the time.

As a 22 year owner of a Fiero I will second that. Once you have driven cars like this you would understand.

I neve reall was a fan of a 911 but after racking up around 2000 mile in one I really understand the attraction now. It is a well sorted and easy to drive at the limit car.

Anyone can put a big engine in a small car but to tune it to use it properly few can do. If it was that easy would most MFG spend millions of dollars to do it?

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: As a 22 year owner of a Fiero I will second that. Once you have driven cars like this you would understand. I neve reall was a fan of a 911 but after racking up around 2000 mile in one I really understand the attraction now. It is a well sorted and easy to drive at the limit car. Anyone can put a big engine in a small car but to tune it to use it properly few can do. If it was that easy would most MFG spend millions of dollars to do it?

I've drivin so many high end cars in the last year valet parking. I guess what i'm saying here is, the main reason I got a Fiero in the first place was because no one else (in my area) has one. So if I had 65K to go out and blow on a car, I would put it into a different car and build it up then to spend it on a Z06. You could make such a bad ass car/fiero if you dumped 65K into it that would turn many heads at car shows. Everyone has seen a Z06, I don't think much of it now to see a Z06. Other wise have somthing custom then somthing that everyone else and their grandpa owns. Everyone is different, just my opinion. However I will have a 11sec Fiero for under 7K in the engine The build starts today!

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I understand you and that you want to be different. There is nothing wrong with that.

My view is not so much to be different but to drive a well sorted car that blow the doors off most anything on the road.

When I say well sorted I see it from the experiance of driveing a Z06 at a Autocross event, driving Calaway at high speed or a 911 on the PCH from LA to San Fran.

Also in my area Fiero's are a dime a dozen and I don't get the see me thing here. Most people look at a Fiero and say why did you spend all money on that car. Sad to say most here see a Fiero as a beater car.

I get more people making more of a comment on it's good condition vs how rare or cool it is. I just love the I don't like Fiero's but I like your car comments.

I have nothing against anyone putting an engine in a Fiero or such and think it is fine to do so . I may do the same someday. On the other hand when I am on a track or pushing a car to the limit I would not trade a well sorted factory performanc car over a old Fiero with a few mods.

Sticking an 800 HP NASCAR engine in my Sonoma may make it fast and get a lot of looks but it will not extract all that I can get without the needed development to the rest of the chassie.

I think there are a few people her that have put the extra effort into th whole package and they can attest it is not cheap and still not perfect. Our pockets are not as deep as GM when it comes to development dollars. GM will spend millions to make it right vs our few thousands not to mention the hours of testing at the worlds best tracks.

GM has made the the Z06 stupid fast even for the unskilled driver behind and I don't think you can do that with a Fiero very easy. Some of our best modified Fiero's on this site still take a skilled hand to extract the performace out of it. In so the limits will always be a little lower in the end.

I understand you view but I want to be more than seen. I want to be in a full drift around that last cone headed for the lights using ever last horse I have under the hood and putting it to the ground. It is more of the feeling you get when your pumped and you hear you beat your best time that I crave.

In my view a well designed performance car is a user friendly tool that you can get 100% out of it and not just a attention getter. Niether of us are wrong we just look at it two different ways and want two differnt things.

quote Originally posted by greengoblin0129: However I will have a 11sec Fiero for under 7K in the engine The build starts today!

I look forward to seeing your build up...but I'm agreeing with Hyperv6 that to get anywhere near the Z06 you are going to have to improve the entire car, and the $7K is just in the engine. By the time you get to the chassis, suspension, wheels, brakes, not to mention the interior, paint, and a killer sound system, you will easily be $10K, $20K, or $30K into the Fiero and it's still not going to be as nice as the Z06, even if it has the same or better straight line acceleration.

Yes a Fiero is different, that's why I drive one, but if I cared what people think about my car, a Fiero would not be the best choice. A Corvette will get you a lot more approving comments that a Fiero any day. (unless you are in Germany where it's considered a pimp-mobile)

quote Originally posted by jscott1: I look forward to seeing your build up...but I'm agreeing with Hyperv6 that to get anywhere near the Z06 you are going to have to improve the entire car, and the $7K is just in the engine. By the time you get to the chassis, suspension, wheels, brakes, not to mention the interior, paint, and a killer sound system, you will easily be $10K, $20K, or $30K into the Fiero and it's still not going to be as nice as the Z06, even if it has the same or better straight line acceleration. Yes a Fiero is different, that's why I drive one, but if I cared what people think about my car, a Fiero would not be the best choice. A Corvette will get you a lot more approving comments that a Fiero any day. (unless you are in Germany where it's considered a pimp-mobile)

That is true, I'm just more into custom built cars. I love seeing new things done to cars/trucks that I havn't seen before. Thats what impresses me the most. I see a Z06 on a daily bases (besides today, snow in april wtf?) Yes they are very nice, just nothing I havn't seen before. Now if this thread was about the 07 Eleanor Mustang, my views would be way different. I've only see one in person so far and not many have been built. "I drive what I like, and I like what I drive".

Yes, these other cars are nicer, but people seems to break their necks looking at my car on a daily basis. Not that many 20yr old GM econobox's can do that. Sure I only paid 3500 for the car, and it doesnt have all the creature comforts as newer cars but it gets alot of looks and I love driving it.

RESPECT THE FEERO!!!

Hmm. Front engine to mid-engine switches? I'm sure that idea will go over like a leaded ballon once the Bean Counters" here about,..."projected sells" falling below last year's numbers? As for "drop-dead gorgous," The ZO6 Corvette is knock-out but, it's short lived once every other guy in town owns one or when the next generation hits the market.

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Actually I would rather have two of the "regular" Corvettes over the Z06 because I don't like hardtops

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Hmm. Front engine to mid-engine switches? I'm sure that idea will go over like a leaded ballon once the Bean Counters" here about,..."projected sells" falling below last year's numbers? As for "drop-dead gorgous," The ZO6 Corvette is knock-out but, it's short lived once every other guy in town owns one or when the next generation hits the market.

Well next year the Corvette SS will appear with near 700 HP and less weight with a carbon fiber body. Think of it as a road going CR6 with a warranty.

Not long after it appears the SS will have more than 700 HP.

As for dropping sales it happens every year as a body style changes the new C7 is in the works and will not be mid engine. Sales again will peak and decline till the next new Vette arrives.

Most years they only sell 20,000-30,000 Vettes which is good for a 2 seater. The two seater market is limited and if you sell them all in one year who is going to buy them the next.

The high number of 1984 Fiero sales hurt the car more than anything else. That is why the sales of the Kappa cars are limited. Pontiac wants to keep production to the point they make money but also keep demand up. Porsche made this same mistake in the 80's and have since cut production numbers but added more models.

quote Originally posted by Austrian Import:Yep, that's exactly the definition of "mid-engine".(if maybe not the pop culture one) If I remember correctly the Dodge Viper would be considered "mid-engine" as well as the wheels are pushed out into the corners and the engine is behind the front axle. Another example would be the Rx-8 (but that's kind of cheating as that engine is tiny by the physical volume it takes up ) -M

Go back further in time. In the 1960s, the Ford Cobra was a mid-engine car. For about $7K (mid-1960s dollars), you could buy the car that held the zero-100MPH-zero record.

The new Motor Trend said that they talked to someone within GM, and they said that the C7 will be Front Engine (or still in front of the driver) and about 700 hp

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: As for dropping sales it happens every year as a body style changes the new C7 is in the works and will not be mid engine. Sales again will peak and decline till the next new Vette arrives. Most years they only sell 20,000-30,000 Vettes which is good for a 2 seater. The two seater market is limited and if you sell them all in one year who is going to buy them the next.

I agree but, I was referring to the "price-tag." If the cost of a mid-engine/rear development adds 25k to the already 75k, then GM's numbers will drop like a leaded ballon. Plus, they're entering the price range of Audi's new rear engine monster to which Porsche already has a lead in the high-end market sales. As-is, I like the Corvette but, I'm not willing to pay 75k nor additional 25k for a rear end car when the car eventually becomes yesterday's model.

I'd rather buy a 100k+ Austin-Martin's DP9 with it's front engine and all of the bells and whisles. I can always roll in chopper if I want cheap mid-engine fun.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I agree but, I was referring to the "price-tag." If the cost of a mid-engine/rear development adds 25k to the already 75k, then GM's numbers will drop like a leaded ballon. Plus, they're entering the price range of Audi's new rear engine monster to which Porsche already has a lead in the high-end market sales. As-is, I like the Corvette but, I'm not willing to pay 75k nor additional 25k for a rear end car when the car eventually becomes yesterday's model. I'd rather buy a 100k+ Austin-Martin's DP9 with it's front engine and all of the bells and whisles. I can always roll in chopper if I want cheap mid-engine fun.

Entry level for a good mid engine starts around $150,000 as the Ford GT is a good example. THis also did not provide much profit for Ford.

The Vette on the other hand is Just as well performing with a $75,000 car that still make a profit since it is based on a higher volume Standard Vette that can still be had with 400 HP at under $49,000.

The new 700 HP car will out perform most all cars at 1/5-1/10th the cost. It will be limited production and I think will change the future sports car maket. It has always been to out dollar the other company well Chevy shows it can out perform them per dollar and in track time. The other companies have noted this and that is why we have the Cayman and a future Dino coming.

As for a Mid engine Vette Zora is the one who pushed for it and just could never get it approved. Most Vette owners prefer the traditional lay out as it is a badge of honnor to them that they can compete with such a set up. Even today the small group that pushed for mid engine is quite small.

It they had gone to a mid engine Vette years ther may have not been a Vette today. It has nearly been killed several times and is up for review with ever new design. Few really sont' understand how close we came to never having a C6. It was only saved by addition of the Caddy XLR.

What I find interesting is it it were not for the Mid Engine Vette program ther may have never been a Fiero. Read Dave Mc cllands book Inside the Corvette. He was the head of the Vette program for many years and has the story how GM design proposed a mid engine V6 Vette to them in the face of possibly losing the V8 in the 70's. He said Chevy and the Vette team rejected the car because Vette owners wanted front engine and a V8. He points out GM Design kept the mid engine V6 idea alive and it was picked up by Pontiac [Read Hulki and company] and became the Fiero. It is a great story and from a creditable documented GM scource.

Just one point about mid engine cars. I like the vette setup, but it is like a dumbell, the weight at the ends. That is like a skater with his arms extended. It slows the spin. I was surprised how hard it is to recover from a spin in a Fiero. It is a faster responding setup and That's why Indy and Formula one cars are all mid engine behind the driver, but it takes a better driver who is on top of it and anticipating each situation.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: Entry level for a good mid engine starts around $150,000 as the Ford GT is a good example. THis also did not provide much profit for Ford. The Vette on the other hand is Just as well performing with a $75,000 car that still make a profit since it is based on a higher volume Standard Vette that can still be had with 400 HP at under $49,000.

I agree with you about the lower-end Corvette's balancing out the high-end 100k Corvettes even if their produced in limited numbers (although a 100K car is clearly out of my reach). I'm sure the "Bean counters" will be watching.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I agree with you about the lower-end Corvette's balancing out the high-end 100k Corvettes even if their produced in limited numbers (although a 100K car is clearly out of my reach). I'm sure the "Bean counters" will be watching.

The odds are better you someday can afford a used Corvette SS as verses a used Enzo. Also You can afford to fix a Chevy a little more than pay to repair a Ferrari.

I love Ferrari's but it is not worth owning one if you can't afford to maintain it. On the other hand even a high end Vette's care and feeding is not much different from a Impala.

Corvette is the Worlds Affordable Supercar. You may not be able to afford wone now but in 10-12 years anyone should be able to afford one. It has given a chance for the common man to own a real world performance car at some point in their life where few other can not even entertain a drive in a high end car let alone owning one even used.

I saw a Oil cahnge in a Enzo was well over $1,000 and you don't want to know what a tune up was or clutch change. And some here complain about the cost to repair a Fiero. You ain't seen nothing with Fiero cost.

Bottom line is it is not real profitable to make two seat cars. It is fun to sell and build them but your not going to make much as a large company. The key is to share as much as you can with out weaking the product. If you go mid engine or some other unshare platform you going to have to charge for it as Ford did on the GT.

They build sports cars for image but they still have to make a buck.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: Most years they only sell 20,000-30,000 Vettes which is good for a 2 seater.

Since 1998, Corvette production has been over 30k every year. Here are the last 5 years production totals:

2002: 35,767
2003: 35,469
2004: 34,064
2005: 37,372
2006: 34,021

Solid numbers for a 40+ k car. Imagine what the sales numbers would be for a mid-engine 2 seat coupe in the 20-30's range.

If I wanted a a 1/4 mile car to kick the crap out of a z06 stock or modified I could do it for less than a years payment for the zo6 with out the cost of modifications. You can do it on two levels but to be fair a good FR design to play on even ground now I know a old Hbody with a sbc with a little work into it will see 10's now the cost of a good 600-700 N/A hp sbc will be about 2k and a th350 or 400 with a ford 9inch rear will do in the 9's for under 5K. Now lets assume a year of payments on a zo6 will be around 9k and I can make a 9second car for 5k I am sure I can make it pretty and add ac for 4k. But I personally don't care about 1/4 mile or 1/8 because its 90% car 10% driver and there are so many little gizmos and gadgets to make it easier and shave hundreths of seconds off and the one thing the driver will be left with is the balls to get in a car that does over 100mph in less than 60ft. If I had the choice I would spend the money on a lotus exige and get my oil changed at the local toyota or scion dealer for the same price as a mr2 and keep my warranty,

quote Originally posted by gtjeff: Since 1998, Corvette production has been over 30k every year. Here are the last 5 years production totals: 2002: 35,767 2003: 35,469 2004: 34,064 2005: 37,372 2006: 34,021 Solid numbers for a 40+ k car. Imagine what the sales numbers would be for a mid-engine 2 seat coupe in the 20-30's range.

C6 has held well but if you look at the C4 and C5 the number start high and drop. I think the C4 went as high as 50K one year and as low as 18 K if my memory is working.

There is no question though that the Vette ie one of the few 2 seat cars that can sell in numbers this high. The Vette has the status that Harley Davidson has reached, not only is it a great car but it is a icon to many. Making it mid engine will not make it sell any better and more than likley raise the production cost per unit.

I just don't see a long term market for a mid engine car as we have seen so many come and go at a low end price in the last 20 years. The Miata embodies much of what most want a good handling car with a good trunk and no top. Most 2 seat buyers could care less where the engine is.

If a car pulls one G on a skid pad and can have as good or better times with the engine in front what is the need? I think it is better to remove weight from the car as a lite car is better performing all around. But not to get it too light like a Lotus where you lose a little durability. Nothing worse than a old Lotus. Just for the record I love Lotus but know their weakness and hate Miata's and understand their strengths in the eye of the buying public.

I would lover to see a Soltice or the lie near 2100 pounds with 300 HP and a little more trunk.

I think though in the next couple years you will see the C6 drop to 25K cars a year. That is why the new C7 is already in the works.

The C7 should get approved but there is alway no sure thing. GM is in a little better shape this time and a Caddy will also still share the platform. One has to wonder if another car will share n some of the Vette platform. A second gen Kappa? or some other unknow car at this point. I also would love to see the standard Vette at 2800 pounds in the future.

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Greengoblin wont have any problems seeing 11's and still getting 20mpg, and staying well under probley even 4000, depending how much he has into the air ride/car/suspension ect.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: The odds are better you someday can afford a used Corvette SS as verses a used Enzo. Also You can afford to fix a Chevy a little more than pay to repair a Ferrari. I love Ferrari's but it is not worth owning one if you can't afford to maintain it. On the other hand even a high end Vette's care and feeding is not much different from a Impala. Corvette is the Worlds Affordable Supercar. You may not be able to afford wone now but in 10-12 years anyone should be able to afford one. It has given a chance for the common man to own a real world performance car at some point in their life where few other can not even entertain a drive in a high end car let alone owning one even used.

It must be a great car. Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson is quite fond of the Z06 and even compared it to a Ferrari. That must mean something. Top Gear usually doesn't like American cars at all.

If I can find the clip, I'll edit this to post it.

-M

quote Originally posted by Austrian Import: Jeremy Clarkson is quite fond of the Z06 and even compared it to a Ferrari.

True, he considers American cars to be junk, so it figures that it takes a $65K Corvette to please him. And like I pointed out earlier, the Z06 depreciates faster than most American cars, you can pick up a 3 yr old one with less than 20K miles for $30k.

GM's not the only one who thinks mid-engine is not necessarily the best idea. The new NSX will be front engine rear wheel drive.

WOW! This thread has been all over the map! Lots of great discussion by a bunch of passionate Motor Heads.

I own my Fiero for sveral reasons. 1. It's a low cost sports car. 2. It's unusual. (like me) 3. It's just fun to drive!
I have about 7k in my Fiero, and it cannot be compared in ANY way to a C6. So when the C7 comes out and costs
even MORE money than the current one, my Fiero will end up being an even better deal.

The reality is the Fiero and the Corvette cannot be compared in any REAL terms.
I was just out on our tracks with an "SS". OMG what a machine!

BTW the 2007 Corvette is now sporting a 5 yr 100,000 mile warranty. Imagine not working on your Fiero for 5 years??? Ha!

Just another single opinion/observation offered.

As for the "subject" GM contemplates Mid-engine Corvette. Popular opinion (on PFF) indicates they did only that!
Whatever the decision is........you can bet it'll be better than what it is now. And THAT ain't bad! See below....

Corvette Racing Scores 1-2 Finish in Sebring
SEBRING, Fla. - On a perfect day for racing at Sebring International Raceway, Corvette Racing ran a perfect race. America's premier production sports car team scored its fifth GT1 class win in six years in America's classic endurance race, the Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring. Oliver Gavin, Olivier Beretta and Max Papis drove their No. 4 Compuware Corvette C6.R to a 17.863-second victory over their Corvette Racing teammates Johnny O'Connell, Ron Fellows and Jan Magnussen in the No. 3 Compuware Corvette C6.R.

quote Originally posted by Austrian Import: It must be a great car. Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson is quite fond of the Z06 and even compared it to a Ferrari. That must mean something. Top Gear usually doesn't like American cars at all. If I can find the clip, I'll edit this to post it. -M

It is a great car but it is true the interior needs an upgrade for its price.

As for resale you can't compare the old Z06 with the new as it is hard to find the 505 HP one used today they are too new and in too much demand. The old Z06 was nice and a little better but no where near the differance the new car is over the standard. The od car makes a great club racer or autocross car.

Then for the 12 hour race. It is true that they C6R's finished but in their series this year at most races they are the only cars in their class as every one else dropped out because of them. The real challange will be the up coming 24 hr race. They should havw some real competitors.

The Cool thing on the C6R is there is a lot more Stock base parts in the car than most think. Right to the point Katech will build you an engine and install it in a street Vette. It would be unrestricted and well over 700 HP and faster than the race car.

I had to run a test on a full race version of the C6-R last year. That car was just plain SCARY fast!
It really made me smile............

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: As for resale you can't compare the old Z06 with the new as it is hard to find the 505 HP one used today they are too new and in too much demand.

You couldn't give me a Z06...I hate hardtops. I'd rather have a 97 C5.

My wife is the same way. She only drives her XJS when the weather permits. The top is only up in the winter when it's all put away under it's cover. Me, I'm not big on "open air" except that I like driving the Fiero with the glass stowed when it's nice.

*double post*

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quote Originally posted by jscott1: You couldn't give me a Z06...I hate hardtops. I'd rather have a 97 C5.

I like the convert better too but what I like and the over all performanc of the Z06 are two different things. I give credit where credit is due.

Too bad the Z06 engine is not offered in the open top. with a cool roll bar package.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Greengoblin wont have any problems seeing 11's and still getting 20mpg, and staying well under probley even 4000, depending how much he has into the air ride/car/suspension ect.

Muh hahahahaha! The car has whole I already have well over 4K into it. But the engine won't have over 5K in it and should be no reason why it won't run low 11's.