I need all the info I can get on the original wheels for the Indy Fiero that paced the 500 (Indy 1).

C&C perimeters
all measurements
as many photos as possible

ANY and ALL info on those wheels

please?

quote Originally posted by CenTexIndy: I need all the info I can get on the original wheels for the Indy Fiero that paced the 500 (Indy 1). C&C perimeters all measurements as many photos as possible ANY and ALL info on those wheels please?

Are they different on the original pace? My indy is in the shop right now, but I could get measurements,etc when it gets back...doesn't sound like they're the same though?

yes - different on Indy 1.

the bolt patterns do not match a stock Fiero wheel - this much I know.

I really need a good dead-on center shot of the wheels.

I have looked at the Pace Car Reunion DVD and it has some decent shots, but I need a hi-res straight on shot of the original wheels.



Here is one, but I need a MUCH higher res:

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Still looking
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-059339.html

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If I remember correctly, they were made by Cragar and were 15 x 7's

also the center was just a "cap" over a plain wheel from what i remember, kinda like a hubcap only much nicer

this is what i recalled on the original's

the production indy's used a stock 14" rim painted white correct?

matthew

Now that you bring this up I thing I'm going to go down to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Hall of Fame Museum today. I'll try to take pictures of any part of it you'd like me to if they let me. I'll head down there at about 3 o'clock so let me know soon. PM sent

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quote Originally posted by whereatt: Now that you bring this up I thing I'm going to go down to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Hall of Fame Museum today. I'll try to take pictures of any part of it you'd like me to if they let me. I'll head down there at about 3 o'clock so let me know soon.

Take a tape measure with you
I’d like measurements of the lens on the snorkel
Does not have to be accurate just close
If you could get a pic or 2 with the tape measure in the pic that would be great
Also a pic of the rims with the tape measure
One last request
The size of the PONTIAC sticker on the front windshield
Thanks

quote Originally posted by CenTexIndy: the bolt patterns do not match a stock Fiero wheel - this much I know.

Since the spindles were Firebird, I'm guessing the wheels were 5 x 4.75" And the wheels were made by Centerline. But as pointed out earlier, it was a regular wheel, with a really fancy cover over it.

Well guys, I went there. But the fiero is in the basement and visitors aren't allowed down there unless Tony George gives permission. I'm going to try to email him and see where it gets me. Sorry guys.

That's fine.
Thank you!!!!

Great effort on your part....

and at least you got an awesome pic out of the trip!

Here is what the car has.

Wheels:Custom Chrome Centerline 16x7 front 16x8 rear..they were designed by John Schinella of GM

Custom Aluminum Spindle hubs were from Bell Tech modified to use the Fiero knuckle but the F body bearing a rotor.

Rear brakes were STE axles with rotors to match the F bodies size on the rear, they were modifies to fit the FWD axles and other related STE parts

Tires Goodyear Eagle VR 205-50-16 front 225-50-16 rear

The window Pontiac sticker was just the standard Motorsports Design window sticker available through Pontiac. It was also used on the race cars in GTU and GTO IMSA racing. I have one on my car from the 80's yet and Motorsports Design is still around making most of the car wraps and stickers for NASCA in North Carolina.

I do not have a bolt patter for the wheels They could be 5x4 3/4 or 115 MM but I can't remember.

Here is some trivia for the new folks here. There is a 4th pace car and it is still at Indy with one of the original SD cars. It was a Turbo OHC but it kept blowing up. They went to the SD engine for durability. It sported Pontiac on the rear wing and used the DGP Centerline wheels painted white.

Sorry I could not find the pictures but both Pace cars are in storage at Indy. Ron T from the Michigan club found the unlnow Turbo car a few years ago and was featured in one of the last FOCOA magazines.

I hope that helps.

I have picutres of the wheels taken apart but have to keep them a secret for now. They were the Centerlines like I have on my car below just thinner with a large alluminum disk made to fit and held on the back with long threaded allen key'd studs. Neat stuff. Rick

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quote Originally posted by SuperchargedV6: ...but have to keep them a secret for now.

Curious as to why they have to be kept in secrecy...some 23 years later?

Not complaining...just curious.

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quote Originally posted by dcfox: Curious as to why they have to be kept in secrecy...some 23 years later? Not complaining...just curious.

Yeh no kidding now you HAVE to tell us!!!!

quote Originally posted by ohioindy: Still looking https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-059339.html

Hey, I took that photo at the Pace Car Reunion. I am looking through my hard drive on my desktop for that photo to e-mail it to you in a HI-RES format. I think it is on my laptop. I will have to look there tomorrow, and I will let you know later when i find it.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6:Here is some trivia for the new folks here. There is a 4th pace car and it is still at Indy with one of the original SD cars. It was a Turbo OHC but it kept blowing up. They went to the SD engine for durability. It sported Pontiac on the rear wing and used the DGP Centerline wheels painted white.

Do I remember correctly that it was some oddball 1.8L engine?

Yeah, here is one reference to it.

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A few years back, someone here on the forum went as far as to take a set of "Moon" hubcaps, and made a set of wheel covers that looked very much like the Indy wheels. There was a writeup here on Pennock's, if I recall right...might possibly be something in the archives on it, if someone was driven enough to check it out.

First reason is there not my photos to share. Second is naturally I would like to get them posted on my site www.Fieropacecar.com once I get permission.

Below is a close up that was posted here awhile back by someone else. You can see the inside Centerline rim painted black and the rivets. I have shots of the disk off showing the crude paint job to hide the underside. Rick

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Do I remember correctly that it was some oddball 1.8L engine? Yeah, here is one reference to it.

You are correct!

It was the 1.8 Sunbird Turbo engine. If I can remember correctly the crank kep breaking or spinning bearings at high speed so they rebuilt the engine and gave the car to the speedway.

I have never seen a public story ot mention by GM about the car but it is still with us. As far as I know it was never put on public display either.

And for the wheels they had disc bolted on a Centerline wheel and no great mysteries. Think of it as a Similar concept as the early first gen F body but not in aluminum not plastic. John Schinella did the wheels for both cars and Pontiac was on a big aero concepts idea back then.

With todays miling machines available if you have enough money they would not be hard to reproduce on a different wheel. Billet wheel parts are not hard for a good machinest to make.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: You are correct! It was the 1.8 Sunbird Turbo engine. If I can remember correctly the crank kep breaking or spinning bearings at high speed so they rebuilt the engine and gave the car to the speedway. I have never seen a public story ot mention by GM about the car but it is still with us. As far as I know it was never put on public display either. And for the wheels they had disc bolted on a Centerline wheel and no great mysteries. Think of it as a Similar concept as the early first gen F body but not in aluminum not plastic. John Schinella did the wheels for both cars and Pontiac was on a big aero concepts idea back then. With todays miling machines available if you have enough money they would not be hard to reproduce on a different wheel. Billet wheel parts are not hard for a good machinest to make.

It was on Display at the Michigan Fiero Club show, July 2005, in Birch Run Michigan. The above photo of it is with RareW66's Yellow PPG car and my 85 GT. I have a few more pics of the car. The car was also brought out of the IMS museum during the Pace Car reunion at Indy.

Here are a couple more photos from the same shoot in 05. I was running that show and barely had time to breath, let alone get good photos. I wish I would have had more time to take proper photos of the car.

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Here is a close up of the Indy disk & wheel without disk. All you need is a lot of $$$$$$

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quote Originally posted by paced84: Here is a close up of the Indy disk & wheel without disk. All you need is a lot of $$$$$$

Wow, I've never seen the naked Indy wheel before.

Why can't someone reproduce those covers to go on a generic 16" wheel?

quote Originally posted by WingNut - MD: It was on Display at the Michigan Fiero Club show, July 2005, in Birch Run Michigan. The above photo of it is with RareW66's Yellow PPG car and my 85 GT. I have a few more pics of the car. The car was also brought out of the IMS museum during the Pace Car reunion at Indy. Here are a couple more photos from the same shoot in 05. I was running that show and barely had time to breath, let alone get good photos. I wish I would have had more time to take proper photos of the car.

Thanks for posting..

I was not aware it was brought out for that show. I thought it was the other car that was there. I am glad to see they brought it out.

I will post some never seen photos of the Indy prototype later today. Very busy right now
R T

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Thanks Ron,
these are the photos I had from Ron and would not post them without Ron's permission. I respect Ron and would never show them unless he wanted them shown. Rick

I saw these on eBay, similar in appearance to those wheels:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

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quote Originally posted by litespd: A few years back, someone here on the forum went as far as to take a set of "Moon" hubcaps, and made a set of wheel covers that looked very much like the Indy wheels. There was a writeup here on Pennock's, if I recall right...might possibly be something in the archives on it, if someone was driven enough to check it out.

That would be me...and I did't like them.
Still have them in the shed
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...050119-1-041168.html

quote Originally posted by paced84: I will post some never seen photos of the Indy prototype later today. Very busy right now R T

Thanks Ron I will look forward to them,

I think your find of this car is one of the best Fiero finds ever!

Here are some teaser photos that Fred B and I took in the famous (INDY GARAGE). Indy enthusiast will enjoy this I am sure. More to come.



My Indy with #1 at IMS

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Thanks will love to see more.

Any pictures of the engine?

So are those white painted wheels on the 1.8 turbo Indy the same as what's under the covers on indy #1? It looks like they might be.


Rich

Yes but they painted them black to make sure they couldn't be seen thru the holes on the Disk's. Centerline was a choice for allot of speacialty cars like the Fiero's during this period. Rick

quote Originally posted by paced84:

So is this a two piece wheel?

Too bad, Pontiac didn't make a pace car replica with all the go fast goodies same as #1

These wheels were muliti piece forged aluminum wheels rivieted together with a silcone sealing the center. They were a strong wheel as you could bend them but seldom break one.

Centerline offered them for sale in the 80's and early 1990's and were a very strong wheel. But they were expensive wheels at that time and there was little chance they would have made production. They also would not have met GM standard for production wheels since they were not clear coated. Centerline did not clear wheels back then. It was polished or satin only with not clear coat.

I almost bought a set back then and kick myself for not getting them.

Really enjoying this thread! Thanks for the fascinating info guys!
-Mike

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I took some measurements but I need to dig them out when I get a spare minute...yeah right.

Seriously, I'll try to find them.