quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Everyone that has lost money should get together and document what has happened.

Trust me, that has been taken care of - in more ways than one...

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I sincerely hope you are kidding?????? Nick

No I am not, Nick

I hope nobody minds? I cut this, because it seems to be un-neccessary to leave it in the Public domain any more. It WAS a personal decision back then, just as this is. I donīt want to do any more damage than has been done already.
I am REALLY sorry I had to do this Andrew. At least you have retrieved an amount of dignity, and I am glad for that.
Nick

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I have a GREATER amount of Respect for you now, Nick. Because of what you did for Andrew. +1 for you

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A +1 from me also. I was trying to figure you out before this but now have realized what kind of person you are.

Nick, I only wish I could give you another plus..

I really didnīt want to post that. It was personal,between Andrew and myself. I donīt want praise for doing it...I just want to try and shock Andrew into doing the right thing.It isnīt that hard to at least send the badges out...even unpolished.
The naiveity some people display nowadays, in thinking they can not be unmasked for even a relatively MINOR transgression, is unbelievable. I am STILL clinging to some forlorn hope that there is a valid reason behind this latest fall from grace, but it is starting to appear that there isnīt one.
It is really easy to get scared to even READ anything about yourself, when you have done, or said something wrong...impossible to even click on a thread. Crazy, I know, but it does happen. It is even possible for people to literally shut it out of their mind..pretend it doesnīt exist. Not because they donīt care, but because they feel so over-poweringly guilty.I hope it is the latter, in this case, rather than a cynical couldnīt care less attitude...
Nick
Edit to add:
Never forget..genius is often regarded as bordering on insanity...and few can deny Andrew has incredible talents, for somebody who has never had training in that field...

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quote Originally posted by 88red4cyl: Nick, I only wish I could give you another plus..

I gave him one for you, and the fiero badge buying community.

So, I wonder if he left his supplier holding the bag also? They may have overstocks or over runs available for sale if money is owed. Otherwise, the tooling, typically owned by the buyer might be an asset some one could go after in an attempt to recover losses.

Or maybe Andrew would allow use for some one to take over the tooling, and purchasing, in leiu of going to court. He might be willing to do to keep himself out of jail for parole violation.

Look what I found last Fall. Check this out, I believe I found his manufacturer. www.id3logos.com/metal-nameplates.htm

Jeff

Interesting.

For as many of you that check ebay, did you ever notice that Andrew had his Fiero up for sale a while back? I no longer have the link to it, but it was definitely his car.

This company is down the road from me. Its pretty close to Auto-Tech too.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../040027-10.html#p396

Looks like we're back in business?

Andrew, You have a PM.

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../040027-10.html#p396

I call BS!

After this I might just put my old avatar back up... Yeah, I never ordered a badge but I was that disappointed.

Posted back in June. Sound familiar? Not saying that you don't have problems (who doesn't) but you can't just up and disappear when you are running a business. Which is more or less what you are doing. You have to step up to plate and do what needs to be done and then maybe once the current orders are satisfied you can step back and tell everyone you need a break for a few days, weeks, months, whatever. Your way of temporarily solving the problem isn't going to do anything but make it worse for everyone involved, including yourself.

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: . I've been avoiding this for some time now but I guess things have gotten to the point where I can start to crawl out from under my rock and try to explain what has been going on with me. This is something that has been building for some time. Edited to say that there were a number of things that built up over time that I let eat at me and brought me down from things that happened relating to PFF as well as people in my personal life that used me to do things for them yet never thought to think of me for anything other than their personal handy man. Hardly anyone knows how much of an effort it is for me to come out of my comfort zone and try to interact with the "real world." For the past few months I have really isolated myself. Going to events such as Watkins Glenn and Carlisle where not easy for me, and I struggled with the idea of leaving to do so up until that very last minute when I talked myself into going. The one thing that has kept me in touch with the outside world is my interaction with the members here on PFF. Many of you are probably shaking your heads in disbelief that the things mentioned above could be so terrible that they would affect anyone the way they did me. Well, to that I don't know what to say. For the past few months, every day has been one where I either struggled to get out of bed, or had no energy to do much of anything at all. With the combination of disappointments mentioned above, I felt like the one thing that was keeping me "sane" had become like Lucy in the Charlie Brown comic strip where she pulls the football out just before he goes to kick it. Most all of you must feel that I failed in what I needed to do with the badges or whatever, but the fact that I was able to get through the past few months without sticking my head in a plastic bag filled with helium (yes, I've done some research and this is supposed to be the best way) says more to me than anything. Until you understand what it feels like to spend every day fighting the urge to commit suicide, you don't have the right to judge me. I can still hear the Stimpy comment that I should just do it- if that's your attitude, feel free to try it first. Did I ignore this and the other thread? Yes. The last thing I wanted was to face or have to explain what I was feeling or going through. The shitty thing about trying to take one day at a time is that after a while, they turn into weeks, then months. As time goes on, you know that things are only getting worse, which makes it even more difficult to face. So, I isolated even more. There were times when I would make a post hoping that it would somehow help but it didn't. Not only did I not know how to kick myself in the ass to get things done, there were many times when the thought of trying to do so was the furthest thing from my mind. Do I take ownership for all of this? Sure I do. How can I not. The past few days have gotten better for me and I've started to get my energy and ambition back. As much as I take ownership for all of this, I also realize that I can't blame my conscious mind for everything. I've been told that what happens is chemically based. Who knows if it has anything to do with the season or not- I don't know. What I do know is that I've gotten the ball rolling to get things taken care of. Brint has received his refund and will be getting his badges here in the next few days- how ever long it takes to get from here to there as of this mornings mail. I also made it clear in the messages I sent out that I apologized for the inconvenience and would be happy to refund any payments received for the badges- in addition to them keeping what they ordered plus an extra or more (depending on the order- Sourmug got three extra badges sent). Not to give Brint a hard time, but it's too bad he didn't mention that in his post.

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Just remember " You can sheer a sheep many times but you can only skin it once" Vince

quote Originally posted by GTGeff: Look what I found last Fall. Check this out, I believe I found his manufacturer. www.id3logos.com/metal-nameplates.htm Jeff

Interesting , Would you know it. They no longer show the badges on there website. Hmmm......

Andrew you need and should seek professional help. You seem to have a severe case of seasonal depression. I have seen some people use a sun lamp to help them with this problem.
You had a nice item for sale there but you are letting the item control your life. You need to learn what "good enough" is so you won't have so much heartache.

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quote Originally posted by cornersonrails: Interesting , Would you know it. They no longer show the badges on there website. Hmmm......

Holy crap. Not really sure what to make of that.
I am SURE Andrew would not have contacted the company because we all know that he is busy finishing our badges and that he doesn't have the time to communicate with anyone (except those who are buying from him on eBay).
So who could have contacted them? WOW (again).

Andrew - I have said it many times -- you KNOW how to get us to shut up about all of this.

Pretty sure stimpy saved your life the first time around, but when you started to cry wolf he told you to just go ahead and jump....

Still havent heard anything.

CAN WE GET THIS GUY BANNED OR WHAT???

OK. Here is a chance for EVERYBODY to be happy with the outcome of THIS particular episode.
I have just received this quotation to make these badges for everybody. They can be finished in silver or gold. Here is the quotation I just received...and these are CHEAP!! No polishing, nothing. They will be exactly as the originals Andrew showed in his promotional thread. 4 weeks delivery from firm order.
NOW..the important bit!!!

ANDREW. I have NO intentions of putting this in motion. I hereby offer you ALL the details, all the neccesary contacts...everything. PLEASE ANSWER ME BY EMAIL OR PM!!! and let me know whether you want to do it this way. IF you donīt, I will arrange for one of the people who have already paid for their emblems to be able to handle this for everybody else who is still waiting for their emblems. PLEASE, ANDREW....get in touch...you could end up using these Manufacturers to make yourself a LOT of money, with NO EFFORT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!


Dear Mr. Cann,



Thank you very much for sharing the picture.

Yes, after viewing your sample photo, we surely can do this for you.

Here is the quotation. Please check.



Item: badge

Size: 60mm X50mm X 3mm Thickness

Price: US$7.8/pcs

Qty: 50~100 pcs

Mold Cost: US$260 (including 2 punchers)

(Special tooling: from the current design, we noticed some areas need punchers to make a shape cutting.

Each puncher will cost US$15. in this case, we will need 2 punchers.)

Plated: Gold or siver

Term: FOB Taiwan

Lead time: 4 weeks



If you have any question, you are very welcome to let me know. I will do my best to solve the problem

Again, thank you for the great chance you have offered. We are looking forward to have this great honor to serve for you.



Best Regards




*************** CO., LTD

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I am posting this in all three relevant threads. Hope you donīt mind just this once Cliff OK. Here is a chance for EVERYBODY to be happy with the outcome of THIS particular episode. I have just received this quotation to make these badges for everybody. They can be finished in silver or gold. Here is the quotation I just received...and these are CHEAP!! No polishing, nothing. They will be exactly as the originals Andrew showed in his promotional thread. 4 weeks delivery from firm order.

Thanks for looking into this for us, I really do appreciate it.

With that being said, I WANT WHAT I PAID FOR

I dont want that "silver coated" bullshit. No offense, but anything thats "coated" will chip eventually. That and it just sounds "CHEAP".

I just want my damn badges man. The badges I originaly paid for. This guy keeps dickin around the wrong people, I can tell you that much. Pisses me off.

Of course you do but...donīt write anything off in a hurry...where did you read 'coated'? These are SILVER or GOLD plated copper, OR billett aluminum..just the same!!! NOT coated at all!! Anyway, I hope and pray Andrew will come back and post...
Nick

Im sorry, coated / plated, same thing in my book. Either way, they have the potential to chip.

I guess the straight billet peices would be ok, but I wouldnt make anything quite yet. You dont want to violate GM's Infringement Policy, there are procedures you must go by.

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NM

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Term: FOB Taiwan

Just so everyone knows, and this comes from my marine affairs and maritime shipping industry background, the F.O.B. portion of the price posted above means that the manufacturer will deliver the finished badges to the dock in Taiwan, and whoever is the buyer/contractor to have them made is responsible to set up the shipping from Taiwan to the USA, make all insurance arrangements, pay all costs to send, and handle any customs matters both related to receiving and import duties...

The only reason I throw that out there is because some members might not be familiar with the terminology. hope its helpful

Edited to insert a quote to the line of the estimate I was referring to from above

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Sorry, jumped the gun there. I apologize.

Got it figured out

Yes, thanks for that..I knew it already, but maybe many didnīt
Thanks
Nick

quote Originally posted by KennyC: Just so everyone knows, and this comes from my marine affairs and maritime shipping industry background, the F.O.B. portion of the price posted above means that the manufacturer will deliver the finished badges to the dock in Taiwan, and whoever is the buyer/contractor to have them made is responsible to set up the shipping from Taiwan to the USA, make all insurance arrangements, pay all costs to send, and handle any customs matters both related to receiving and import duties... The only reason I throw that out there is because some members might not be familiar with the terminology. hope its helpful Edited to insert a quote to the line of the estimate I was referring to from above

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: Pretty sure stimpy saved your life the first time around, but when you started to cry wolf he told you to just go ahead and jump....

I didn't "save his life", I fell for his drama. For the newer members who might not have known about andrew's "suicide note" that he posted in Off Topic, and being the survivor of watcinv my brother die after dozens x of "attempts", I was unable to not involve myself. It deeply disturbed me, and it brought up a whole lot of **** .
As for Andrews attempt, I do have to hand it to him for planning to survive your suicide. His weapon of choice was some pills and a bottle of peach brandy in a parking lot that he knew an ambulance with emts would be posted at while not on calls. I didn't save his life, he planned the whole show. I was just his dancing bear.

I was told you called the cops and were the only person who took it seriously.

I did. The cops called me back like 5 minutes later and told me that he was already at the ER. Drama over.

Wow.... Life is just to short as it is... I must live a sheltered life or something.... Sometimes you just have to get a life.. Vince

The only thing I want to get are my badges.

Seems that everyone but me has given up.

I shall inform the people I approached about making the badges that there is no interest, and cancel any further discussion with them.
Nick

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I shall inform the people I approached about making the badges that there is no interest, and cancel any further discussion with them. Nick

We all appreciate you trying to help, but this is andrews battle don't throw yourself under the bus for his f-ups, he owes the forum and needs to finish the all aluminum machined badges he PROMISED. I'd like to buy one, if he can get back on his feet and producing them I know I will as well as others. All that will happen if Andrew draws this out is his reputation will be ruined and he will loose any further business.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I shall inform the people I approached about making the badges that there is no interest, and cancel any further discussion with them. Nick

Defenately put it to the side, but dont throw it out just yet. Wait until things get cleared up, which at the rate its going, wont be for another couple years.