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Modern Classics:
Pontiac Fiero, 1984-1988




By Jeff Burry; photos courtesy General Motors

Photo Gallery:
Pontiac Fiero, 1984-1988

Mid-engine sports cars are not generally associated with General Motors. People are more likely to associate them with exotic car makers such as Ferrari and Lamborghini. However, the Pontiac division of General Motors produced such a car in the mid-1980s. The car was badged Pontiac Fiero, Italian for "proud."

Conceived by John Delorean, and designed by Hulki Aldikacti, the car's chief design engineer, the Fiero was a two-seater, mid-engine sports car built for the masses. It was Aldikacti's belief that this vehicle would inject new life into the Pontiac image which at the time was somewhat "less than exciting."

It was the first mass-produced mid-engine sports car produced by a U.S. manufacturer. The actual production of the Fiero started in August 1983 and was available for purchase in 1984. The very first models sported a transversely mounted 2.5-litre four-cylinder engine producing 92 horsepower. Overall weight was just under 2600 lbs (1179 kg).



The production of this two-seater sports car came about as a result of the on-going oil crisis, and the need for Pontiac to reclaim its performance image. Pontiac management saw an opportunity to produce a fuel efficient, low cost sporty commuter car. General Motors was still producing the Chevrolet Corvette, another two-seater sports car, but other than the seating accommodation, the cars were vastly different and built for different market segments.

There were high expectations for the Fiero with its advanced mid-engine layout, space frame construction, impact-resistant plastic body and futuristic styling. It was a sports car that had performance characteristics and cool styling, all for a relatively low cost.

In 1984, it beat out the newly designed Chevrolet Corvette as that year's choice to pace the Indy 500. A total of 136,840 units were sold across North America in its inaugural year, so the future was looking very promising for the new car. Models available included a base Fiero, Fiero Sport, SE or Indy versions.

The high expectations soon lead to disappointment as automotive critics expected better performance and handling from the Fiero. In order to keep the costs down, a number of suspension and brake components had been used from other GM cars such as the Chevy Chevette and the Chevrolet Citation, which were not known to be "sporty" vehicles. Other noticeable negatives included a stiff ride, noisy cockpit, and poor rear visibility.



But the biggest blow to the 1984 Fiero was the propensity for the engine to catch fire. In the U.S., the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reported a total of 148 complaints regarding Fieros that experienced engine fires. Apparently, low levels of engine oil coupled with aggressive driving led to the possibility of connecting rods breaking. The fires almost exclusively affected 1984 Fiero models with the 2.5-litre engine, but they weren't good for the car's image.

Requests for an improved Fiero started to pour in and with the oil crisis of the mid-eighties receding, GM listened. Available for the 1985 model year was a GT version powered by a Chevrolet 2.8-litre port-injected V6 engine, rated at 140 horsepower.

The V6 engine was matched to a modified Muncie four-speed transmission while the four-cylinder engine received a Japanese-designed five-speed transmission. For the 1985 model year, 76,371 Pontiac Fieros rolled off the assembly line in Pontiac, Michigan.

The 1985 GT body style was used by the SE model, and late in the production year, GT and SE V6 models could be purchased with a five-speed Muncie transmission. Production increased slightly over the previous model year with a total of 83,974 units produced. In 1986, a fastback roofline was offered for the first time on all GT models



The front and rear fascias on the 1987 model were much improved, losing the unsightly black bumper inserts seen on the earlier models. The SE and GT versions maintained the clean, "aero-like" nose. Some modifications to the engine included a redesigned intake manifold, distributorless ignition system, open combustion chamber cylinder head and upgraded fuel injection system.

Perhaps responding to backyard mechanics attempting to glamourize their Fiero, a special Ferrari-type body kit titled "Mera" was available for the 1987 model. It was produced by Corporate Concepts in Capac, Michigan. At the time Magnum PI was a popular television series featuring Tom Selleck. He played a private investigator whose mode of transportation was the often-borrowed red Ferrari 308. Why not produce a "body" that resembled that vehicle?

The Fiero Mera kit was made available through Pontiac dealerships sold only as a new car. No kits were ever sold separately. A total of 88 1987 Fiero GTs were converted into Meras. Another 159 Fiero Meras were produced and sold for the 1988 model year bringing the final production number to 247. Corporate Concepts were eventually sued by Ferrari and ordered to stop.

If one were ever in the market to purchase a Pontiac Fiero, the 1988 model would be the one to get. It is considered by most Fiero enthusiasts to be the best model year. Only 26,402 of these gems were produced.



For that year, a brand new suspension built solely for the Fiero was fitted to the car. At the time Lotus was about to be acquired by General Motors, and it has been rumoured that this company had a hand in tuning the new Fiero suspension. Handling was much improved with the revised control arm and knuckles, which greatly reduced steering effort and scrub radius.

At the rear, the old Citation parts were replaced with a real tri-link suspension and new knuckles. This new suspension came with 15 x 6 inch wide wheels up front and 15 x 7 inch wheels on the rear. These improvements greatly assisted the handling and balance of the vehicle. New vented disc brakes were also added on each corner to bring the vehicle to a quick but firm stop.

Without a doubt, the Fiero brought some excitement to the Pontiac brand and today the car still has a strong cult following. There are numerous special interest clubs and forums that exist for people wishing to exchange information about the vehicle or search for a Fiero to purchase.

For those of us who perhaps owned one of these vehicles in the past, seeing one on the street today still revokes many fond memories of 80's culture and warm sunny days when the price at the tank wouldn't empty your pocket book.
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Pretty good article. I was a bit surprised they mentioned the Mera... not very often you see that.

Here's one I kept from a local newspaper a couple of years ago. I was pretty shocked when i spotted it. I don't have a scanner, but snapped a picture of it.


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...snip...

For that year, a brand new suspension built solely for the Fiero was fitted to the car. At the time Lotus was about to be acquired by General Motors, and it has been rumoured that this company had a hand in tuning the new Fiero suspension. Handling was much improved with the revised control arm and knuckles, which greatly reduced steering effort and scrub radius.

At the rear, the old Citation parts were replaced with a real tri-link suspension and new knuckles. This new suspension came with 15 x 6 inch wide wheels up front and 15 x 7 inch wheels on the rear. These improvements greatly assisted the handling and balance of the vehicle. New vented disc brakes were also added on each corner to bring the vehicle to a quick but firm stop.



Has anyone read any of the info that states that ENTECH actually had a lot to do with the '88 suspension revisions? This was reported in High Performance Pontiac in 1992 in a Fiero retrospective article. They say that ENTECH was primarily responsible for engineering the suspension and spaceframe upgrades that came out in '88.

The silly "Lotus" rumor has always been hanging around despite having no foundation at all- but I've never heard anyone talk about "ENTECH" or their involvement in the '88 upgrades on the forum before?

"Handling by Entech" badges- I can see them now, lol...
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"For those of us who perhaps owned one of these vehicles in the past, seeing one on the street today still revokes many fond memories of 80's culture and warm sunny days when the price at the tank wouldn't empty your pocket book."

I don't know about the Fiero "revoking" any memories for me......
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Originally posted by FieroFanatic13:


Has anyone read any of the info that states that ENTECH actually had a lot to do with the '88 suspension revisions? This was reported in High Performance Pontiac in 1992 in a Fiero retrospective article. They say that ENTECH was primarily responsible for engineering the suspension and spaceframe upgrades that came out in '88.

The silly "Lotus" rumor has always been hanging around despite having no foundation at all- but I've never heard anyone talk about "ENTECH" or their involvement in the '88 upgrades on the forum before?

"Handling by Entech" badges- I can see them now, lol...


The Entech I know did do a lot of the space frame work early in the cars structure development.

From what I have learned and it was stated in a High Perfromance Pontiac story [Sorry I would have to look it up] In a interview with one of the Pontiac engineers that the 88 Suspension was a all GM design and they were proud of it.

Also it was stated in the sames story it was sorted out by Porsche engineering. It claimed they worked on the alignements and slip angles but not the over all design if I recall correctly.

This work with Porsche was also the reason the two 2.9 Turbo 1985 Fiero GT's had their Porsche Eater tail lights removed. It was always said because GM was working with Porsche but till the artical it was never clear it was on the Fiero.

This time line would match as the work on the 88 was going strong in 1985. Many things for the 88 were well under development by this year. The one engineering drawing I had had a 1990 part and was drawn in 1986.

I am sure Fred may have the time line and detail he could share when he has time.

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The Entech I know did do a lot of the space frame work early in the cars structure development.

From what I have learned and it was stated in a High Perfromance Pontiac story [Sorry I would have to look it up] In a interview with one of the Pontiac engineers that the 88 Suspension was a all GM design and they were proud of it.

Also it was stated in the sames story it was sorted out by Porsche engineering. It claimed they worked on the alignements and slip angles but not the over all design if I recall correctly.

This work with Porsche was also the reason the two 2.9 Turbo 1985 Fiero GT's had their Porsche Eater tail lights removed. It was always said because GM was working with Porsche but till the artical it was never clear it was on the Fiero.

This time line would match as the work on the 88 was going strong in 1985. Many things for the 88 were well under development by this year. The one engineering drawing I had had a 1990 part and was drawn in 1986.

I am sure Fred may have the time line and detail he could share when he has time.



The article I'm talking about was in High Performance Pontiac in 1992- it was a 10 page retrospective on the Fiero. It does specifically say that Pontiac turned over the responsibility of engineering the '88 improvements to Entech and that Entech was basically responsible for the improvements. I believe it says that Hulki said that. I'd have to grab the actual article at home to quote it directly though. That being said, many articles have been known to be erroneous. It could just mean that Pontiac had Entech make the parts, who knows. Other stuff I've read does indeed agree with what you said about the '88 stuff being worked on quite a ways back...

I would sure like to see the specific reference to Porsche being involved in the Fiero development- no matter how small. The stuff I've seen said that Porsche and GM were collaborating on "engines" or "drivetrains," and made no mention to the Fiero directly. I'd have thought that the Witzenburg book would mention that Porsche had direct involvement with the Fiero whether it's a media piece or not. Why would GM want to hide a relationship like that in the Fiero book?

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Ha, I'm sure he meant invokes.

 
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"For those of us who perhaps owned one of these vehicles in the past, seeing one on the street today still revokes many fond memories of 80's culture and warm sunny days when the price at the tank wouldn't empty your pocket book."

I don't know about the Fiero "revoking" any memories for me......


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I will see if I can find it,

It was an interview with a GM engineer is all I can remember but I know I saved it the problem is where.
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Anyone notice the engine, must be an early mock up,

1. Different intake hose , 2. Not used on production engines. 3. Different intake, missing port



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Originally posted by FieroFanatic13:
The article I'm talking about was in High Performance Pontiac in 1992- it was a 10 page retrospective on the Fiero. It does specifically say that Pontiac turned over the responsibility of engineering the '88 improvements to Entech and that Entech was basically responsible for the improvements. I believe it says that Hulki said that. I'd have to grab the actual article at home to quote it directly though. That being said, many articles have been known to be erroneous. It could just mean that Pontiac had Entech make the parts, who knows. Other stuff I've read does indeed agree with what you said about the '88 stuff being worked on quite a ways back...

I would sure like to see the specific reference to Porsche being involved in the Fiero development- no matter how small. The stuff I've seen said that Porsche and GM were collaborating on "engines" or "drivetrains," and made no mention to the Fiero directly. I'd have thought that the Witzenburg book would mention that Porsche had direct involvement with the Fiero whether it's a media piece or not. Why would GM want to hide a relationship like that in the Fiero book?



I have looked but still have not found the story. It may have been in the Pontiac Enthusiast?

This is what I recall. It interviewed someone from Pontiac that worked on the car and they mentioned that GM the design of the 88 suspension but they did farm out the tuning to Porsche.

Entech per all I have ever found is where they hid the Fiero program and continued the engineering on the space frame. Hulki had connections there and that is where he hid the car and continued the work unnoticed.

Entech also sponsored the GTP light car in IMSA in 1984 but they were pretty much out of the picture by the time the car was built in 1983.

The lead time for the 88 had top start in 1984 as development wouild take no less then 4 years. back then many things worked on no less than a 5 year or more cycle.

The truth is GM and Porsche engineering as well as many other auto MFG have worked together. But on the other hand Porsche car division and GM were at odds since they competed in the SCCA showroom stock racing wars. The Vette and 944 Turbo fought thill the Vette was banned and had to go to a Vette only series. They were not friends on this side.

The fact they did not advertise the use of Porsche engineering is not rare. GM farms out a lot of work to Lotus [The first ZR-1 and even the latest Ecotech Tubo Engine] To many projects with Roush industries [A lot of engineering for the Solstice was done by Roush as well as the NorthStar] as in Jack Roush.

For many reasons these deals are not advertised and the Fiero was no stranger.

The Witzenburg book is good and the best written document we have but it is only a coffee table book and does leave out a lot of details only those in the program know. there is so much more info that is let out and details that we have had to peice together. Many do not relize the Fiero mid engine Ideal Hulki picked up was inspired by the work GM design did for a 6 cylinder Vette that was rejected. This was pointed out in the Dave Mc Donald book Inside the Vette. GArys book never dealt with the politics that killed the car either. The book was a approved GM publication and it leaves some of the warts out. Garys book did mention the removal of the tail lights because of Porsche but did not go into detail. Also remember this book was written before the 88 appeared and it is not likley he would give details on a future progam that had not been shown yet. When the book was updated they only addd a few pages so it is far from complete.

I will keep looking as I know it is around but I have several hundred Fiero related magazines and books back to 1980 so I have mess to go through. I will post it when I find it.

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Originally posted by FieroFanatic13:


Has anyone read any of the info that states that ENTECH actually had a lot to do with the '88 suspension revisions? This was reported in High Performance Pontiac in 1992 in a Fiero retrospective article. They say that ENTECH was primarily responsible for engineering the suspension and spaceframe upgrades that came out in '88.

The silly "Lotus" rumor has always been hanging around despite having no foundation at all- but I've never heard anyone talk about "ENTECH" or their involvement in the '88 upgrades on the forum before?

"Handling by Entech" badges- I can see them now, lol...


It was my (perhaps incorrect) understanding that the 88 suspension was the one that was originally slated from the beginning, before the bean counters got hold of it.
It was their intervention that required the Fiero to raid the X-body and T-body parts bins.
Seems like Hulki said as much at the 20th.

 
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Anyone notice the engine, must be an early mock up,

2. Not used on production engines.




Not to split hairs, but that pipe is used on the 85 and 86 V6. It was deleted on the 87 and 88.
You were correct on the other two points, however,

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I have looked but still have not found the story. It may have been in the Pontiac Enthusiast?

This is what I recall. It interviewed someone from Pontiac that worked on the car and they mentioned that GM the design of the 88 suspension but they did farm out the tuning to Porsche.

Entech per all I have ever found is where they hid the Fiero program and continued the engineering on the space frame. Hulki had connections there and that is where he hid the car and continued the work unnoticed.

Entech also sponsored the GTP light car in IMSA in 1984 but they were pretty much out of the picture by the time the car was built in 1983.

The lead time for the 88 had top start in 1984 as development wouild take no less then 4 years. back then many things worked on no less than a 5 year or more cycle.

The truth is GM and Porsche engineering as well as many other auto MFG have worked together. But on the other hand Porsche car division and GM were at odds since they competed in the SCCA showroom stock racing wars. The Vette and 944 Turbo fought thill the Vette was banned and had to go to a Vette only series. They were not friends on this side.

The fact they did not advertise the use of Porsche engineering is not rare. GM farms out a lot of work to Lotus [The first ZR-1 and even the latest Ecotech Tubo Engine] To many projects with Roush industries [A lot of engineering for the Solstice was done by Roush as well as the NorthStar] as in Jack Roush.

For many reasons these deals are not advertised and the Fiero was no stranger.

The Witzenburg book is good and the best written document we have but it is only a coffee table book and does leave out a lot of details only those in the program know. there is so much more info that is let out and details that we have had to peice together. Many do not relize the Fiero mid engine Ideal Hulki picked up was inspired by the work GM design did for a 6 cylinder Vette that was rejected. This was pointed out in the Dave Mc Donald book Inside the Vette. GArys book never dealt with the politics that killed the car either. The book was a approved GM publication and it leaves some of the warts out. Garys book did mention the removal of the tail lights because of Porsche but did not go into detail. Also remember this book was written before the 88 appeared and it is not likley he would give details on a future progam that had not been shown yet. When the book was updated they only addd a few pages so it is far from complete.

I will keep looking as I know it is around but I have several hundred Fiero related magazines and books back to 1980 so I have mess to go through. I will post it when I find it.


I hear you on the Witzenburg book- that's what I meant basically when I referred to it as "media piece." That being said, when the ZR-1 came out it was widely reported by the mags that Lotus and Mercruiser (I believe that's what it was called) were involved in the ZR-1 development. That's why I would think that someone trying to sell a "sports" car, especially one that had met so much critism for not actually being one thus far like the Fiero, would want to tout this given that they were essentially re-launching the car due to it's essentially being re-designed. That's a draw for customers- why else would other companies bother with "Handling by Lotus" badges- it's a showroom draw and selling point to have a marquee brand involved like that.

But, again, I see your point on the whole "getting along" issue and GM possibly trying to do the "we did it on our own" deal.


And here's the exact quote from the article I mentioned earlier in this thread:


High Performance Pontiac
February 1992
"Gone but not Forgotten: A retrospective of Pontiac's revolutionary Fiero."

From Page 33:

1988

"For 1988, Pontiac got serious about making the Fiero a true sports car. While the Fiero never reached it's potential, the '88 was nonetheless a dramatic improvement over past models. Unfortunately, it also proved to the be the last model produced. During this period, Pontiac turned the final phase of R&D over to Entech, the firm Aldikacti had joined. It was Entech that helped get many of the Fiero's improvements to market that year."

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hyperV6- this is the exact info I was talking about. It is a bit ambiguous though when you read it. And regarding Porsche- Witzenburg's book does mention that they removed "porsche eater" from one of the V6 turbo prototypes due to an engineering collaboration, but he mentions drivetrains, not suspension tuning. I hate all of the different info that flies around! It's hard to sort out the facts from the fiction!
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...snip...

Entech per all I have ever found is where they hid the Fiero program and continued the engineering on the space frame. Hulki had connections there and that is where he hid the car and continued the work unnoticed.

Entech also sponsored the GTP light car in IMSA in 1984 but they were pretty much out of the picture by the time the car was built in 1983.

...snip...




I have to point out that this is a bit off though. Entech was sponsoring/racing Fieros in the GTP class as late as 1987 for sure, well into the development of the '88 revisions. There is an article in Motor Trend from January 1987 on their GTP car:

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The Entech car was 1986 and a one year deal. The 1987 story was done at the end of the 1986 season.
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The Entech car was 1986 and a one year deal. The 1987 story was done at the end of the 1986 season.


It still seemed to contradict what you'd said about Entech being out of the Fiero by '84 so I mentioned it I guess. Regardless, as you pointed out, the '88 improvements were being engineered as early as 1985, and this article, to me at least, indicates that Entech had some connection to the Fiero on some level as late as 1986 then, doesn't it?

And what about the fact that Hulki ended up working at Entech post Fiero?? Is there a connection there that could indicate that the article has some merit? Do you have any info on that beyond what this article states? I find it interesting...

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It still seemed to contradict what you'd said about Entech being out of the Fiero by '84 so I mentioned it I guess. Regardless, as you pointed out, the '88 improvements were being engineered as early as 1985, and this article, to me at least, indicates that Entech had some connection to the Fiero on some level as late as 1986 then, doesn't it?

And what about the fact that Hulki ended up working at Entech post Fiero?? Is there a connection there that could indicate that the article has some merit? Do you have any info on that beyond what this article states? I find it interesting...



I have not seen much of Entech after 84 but just because I have not seen much does not mean it did not happen. What you have from the HPP is as much as I have seen post intro on the car.

As for the sponsorship that mean nothing as it could have been pay back for any money GM may have owed or a number of other deals we just don't know.

You may be on to something but your going to have to speak to the people involved. They are not documented to the point we can say it did happen this way. But if you can confirm or get the right story you can document it for the future.

I will in no way say your idea is wrong but it is just unproven at this point. This is where you need to e mail and start asking the right questions to the people involved. They are the ones to confirm or deny anything.

A for hulki leaving I have never seen where he had anything to do with the car post 1983. He left early in 1983 and the only GM work I see him getting credit for is some Saturn work.

Also I find too many people focus on Hulki as the prime mover of the Fiero. There were many other people that need to be included starting with John Schinella who was with the car from the start to the end. I think they can help with a lot of what happened when. The problem is many are retired and getting older so time is running short to ge this info.

I ran into this when I dug into the 1990 emblems as many people were gone. Even the guy who was incharge of the ID package that sent me the info I needed left GM not long after I got what I needed.

Your idea may have something to it so I would start trying to contact some of the key people and you never know what you may find out. It will take time but will help in the long run.

If I were you I would try to establish a time line for the Fiero from 1983-1988 on what development work was done and when. Garys book did not really cover much after 83 on development. This would give you more info than your even asking.

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Its nice that they refer to a Fiero as a classic. If it is a classic you would never know it. Everytime I tried to sell one, I got squat for it. Perhaps with time more people will appreciate one of GM's few mid engined cars, and it was the first American made car to have this configuration. Consumer "advocate" Ralph Naders scathing articles on the Fiero's tendency to go up in flames after its debut didn't help.

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