That's the route I'd go if I had that kind of money. There's another Murc with a complet orange 3-piece and black center but IMO this the one pictured hear is perhaps the best and daring way of roll'n very hard in CA.
It may be hard to pull off using the current rims you have. I think that by having a phat lip pulls the eyes away from the painted edge allowing a person's jaw to drop. I know cause mine is still on the floor, hehe.
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May 6th, 2006
exoticse Member
Posts: 8654 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
Exoticse, We did all our own prep work. There was no prep by anyone else. I know the painter and the work he does, last year he painted Queen Elizabeths white/pearl Rolls in their Longwood body shop. So I knew he would not touch it if it was not perfect. We did things so slowly when it came to prep to ensure that everything was as good as possible. The paint, filler, bondo, etc was all done by us, wetsanding was a must as well. Man I learned so much about the technique and am glad we were present. The complexities of a pearl paint job as so fine only the pros can do it and make it look awesome. He had so many specific ways to spray different areas and angles of the car. Well my father used to paint his own cars back in Europe and has the precess down, but with this $7,000 of paint and thinners, ect, any mistake costs you a small car loan.lol He as well as I was happy to have someone so profesional and experienced to do this for us for free. We did paint some of the parts ourselves, wing, grills, interior trim peices, etc. Thanks for your interest and lets see some pics of your car! I am still interested.
Thanks Alex and Bobby
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May 14th, 2006
FieroGTRwideboby Member
Posts: 591 From: Socal (Pasadena) Registered: Jun 2004
Okay, back to the topic. I have been asked to explain the hood scoop project. I will say that although we did alter the design and did not follow exact measurements the general idea came from here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20041015-1-015543-3.html We did use wood to make the templated for the scoop which was later done in fiberglass, and if you can see our hood scopp opens up more as it flows up. The depth was also altered to actually be functional. Most of the hood scoops are great but they aren't deep enough, ours opens and the radiator and fan are visible.
The posted topic above is a perfect representation of how to, and pretty much its up to the builder to decide measurements of opening etc.
Here is the hood cut with the wood peices cut to shape and test fitted before beign made of fiberglass: disregard the center peice I was experimenting to see what it wuld look like..hehe
Once that was done the top and bottom was fiberglassed and smoothed out. Thats one thing that bugs me a lot people sped so much time on the visible side that they forget or don't do the bottom.Why? and then the primer:
The bottom was painted the stock charc/black (sorry pics had to be lightened to see contours of hood):
Hope that helped and tommorow I will also cover the short, build on the decklid. Thanks for your comments and interest. Alex
Yes I had to remove aout 1 inch of the rounded area where the spare sits. I'll try to find a picture. But once it was covered with the wetherstriping it looks stock. Alex
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Posts: 591 From: Socal (Pasadena) Registered: Jun 2004
Okay, after reviewing some of the build photos I realized I missed some details in the engine department. So here we go The high flow fuel pump from WCF was put in and tank was cleaned and retainted along with most other brackets and underbody associated parts. Next when the engine was put in, I don't know if other people have done this but what we did was use the stock 2.8 engine strut which is mounted to the cradle on the 3800 SC. The stock bracket was relocated and a small U bracket was fabricated to be bolted to the engine block, with the strut on there and the dogbone on top the motor is solid witht the Purple Reign poly motor and trans mounts and Darell Morse alluminum cradle mounts, both great products. We also decided to keep the stock AC, fuel tank and firewall sheild, it took some cutting and bending but it works and provided the stock looking firewall with the heat protection. We had to tim out some room for the new AC conversion which mated the 98 3800SC and 87 2.8 AC systems. A local AC shop took both and made one from them, it took a couple hours but it worked out great. When Loyde at Fast Fieros did the computer reprogram he eliminated everything, from secondary O2, Purge, EGR, waste gate, speed limmiter raised to 260mph, Fuel Cutoff and Idle Speed MAF, Injectors and Power Enrichment, Spark Advance and Knock Retard,Torque Management and DTC's deleted, AutomaticTransmission Codes deleted, Fan Temps and Key-Off Fan Run Time Speedometer Recalibration. The only thing left was the primary O2 and them was also made to look as if stock. We trimmed a small hole and used a rubber inlay to protect the wiring when wiring goes throgh the heat shield.
Alex
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Posts: 591 From: Socal (Pasadena) Registered: Jun 2004
Now for the Suspension and breaks. hehe. The BIG break kit is the West Coast Fiero 13" x 12" vented, cross-drilled, slotted kit. We were satisfied with parts, and the fit and finish. The only thing that slowed us down was the lack of E-brake instructions. The List of modifications is a follows: WCF 13"x12" vented cross-drilled slotted rotors Fiero Store braided break lines WCF New machined front hubs and wheel bearings New rear hubs & wheel bearings FS 1" heavy duty say bar FS stabalizer bar FS struts FS shocks FS full poly suspension kit FS 87 heavy duty rear sway bar WCF rear coil over kit 400# springs WCF front lowering springs Shortened bump stops 3/4" The rotors:
Bump stops were shortened when the suspension cross member was disassembled and modified off of the car. The shock towers on the lower control arms were also moved back to make room for turm radius of new big break kit. Where the bump stops were shortened 3/4".
The front with new stabalizer bar, sway bar, etc:
New rear hubs put on after new whell bearings and poly bushings:
WCF Rear coilover kit assembled with Fiero Store new struts:
Front and rear suspension was put together and break assembly began:
Caliper brackets for new 13" front rotors: left right
With all the modifications I can say the car feels like its on rails, very stiff and tons of vibrations due to the solid suspension, engine, and cradle alluminum mounts. But my favorite if the huge breaks visibl behind the 17" x 18" wheel combo and the stance.
Alex
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Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Alex, the level of detail on your car continues to amaze me. Your underbody is nicer than the body on most cars.
Are your rotors and suspension components painted body color? Or is it red? It's hard to tell from the photos. I'm trying to decide on painting my rotors. Thanks.
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FieroGTRwideboby Member
Posts: 591 From: Socal (Pasadena) Registered: Jun 2004
The rotors are painted fire engine red to match the poly, red sawy bars, and tank etc. Thanks for the compliments again. I was asked about the lights multiple times and feel that if there was some serious interest we could make the headlights. They are a direct bolt on and all you have to do is splice on the wiring for the dual Hella bulbs.
Thanks, Alex
I still have to cover the short decklid build.hehe
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Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
After some digging I found a picture of the Widebody before the widebody. As you can see it was a 87 GT which I drove shortly before the face-lift began. It belonged to a local Pontiac Dealership owner Mr. Marlow at Marlow Werner Pontiac in Punta Gorda Florida.The car sat at his house until we asked him if he was interested in selling it.Now I'm glad we did. Heres a little before and after.
Alex
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May 29th, 2006
FieroGTRwideboby Member
Posts: 591 From: Socal (Pasadena) Registered: Jun 2004
Yeah... I' so happy! I got some pics of the car today with the new plate; Check it out. One of my dad and the car. He did not want to pose but I convinsed him it would look COOL. Okay now spot the difference and which do you like best? Nice Motor shot. She tried to fly away, but we had her wings clipped. hehe.
Thanks for looking. Alex
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Posts: 8654 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
HEY! That's my DAD! He's got a lot more grey in his hair than I remember but I'd know that face anywhere! I've been looking for him for years!!!
BTW, I love the vent thingies on the sides of the rear taillights, great touch. Tell Dad that he needs to come back home and help me with my F-I-E-R-O! He can use the back allimony for parts and paint on mine. If he doesn't I'll tell my mom and then the shididt will really hit the fan!
ok, now i'm starting to understand how you spent so much money on this car. there's a lot more going on than you see at first. i'm more impressed, and more jealous, every time i come into this thread!
I resently finished a 24"x36" Photoshop banner/poster of the car. It features the car, and in faded opasity different views and the list of modifications. I really like photoshop and have been taking classes the last two years of High School. The significance of the 04 and 06 of the tire thread is the duration of the build, and the WAWUZAT is the "name" of the car which evolved from concept to reality. hehe A couple pictures:
I don't think I have a completed shot of the front compartment posted, it also shows the notch which the tub needed to accept the deeper hood scoop.
The new racing seats with the CF Kingdom customs accents. They have great products.
I know there is always the talk about widebodies and I just wanted to show what a true widebody is from 2" and up on eash side.... 1" is a flare lol. This is the body at its widest at 4".
And two of my favorite views.... the source of testosterone: and the elegant widebody lines accompanied with the steam-roller tires.
Last of my recent projects was the creation of a CD which contains all of the build pictures from day one. The Case also got a nice treatment so as never to forget the contents of the CD. Front: Contains name and award recieved at Daytona 2006. Rear: Lists the web links where car is discussed or appears. Interior: List of modifications ...engine... The interior without CD.... shows the interior...lolo..heheh!
Thanks for stopping by and stay tuned for that video and pics!
Alex
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Jul 4th, 2006
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Posts: 8654 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
The car was in the issue of Domestic Driver for July/August. They did a great job on the magazine, and I am glad I now also have a year of free access to check out other cool rides. I would post the whole article but need to ask permission from DD first, as to keep it exclusive.
Thanks Alex
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Posts: 170 From: Clinton, MO, USA Registered: Jun 2006
I like the way you have the front of the car on the front, the back on the back, and the interior on the inside. Cool. I need to compile all the pics I've taken on my car, but I'm afraid it won't fit on one CD at this point.
Looking forward to seeing your car at Daytona Next year! (D7 or Bust)
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Posts: 591 From: Socal (Pasadena) Registered: Jun 2004
Your are right about fitting alot of pics on the CD I am up to 3 CD's and 3 covers now, you know how they multiply in numbers. I figure I have atleast 2000 pictures form start to finish. But its a great way to store and always remember great experieces and times.
About Daytona 2007, I want to be there and probably will be but now that I'm going to school in Pasadena California, I will be vey far way, exactly 2618 miles. Since I am the fiero nut in the family I am usually the one who deals with shows etc, so now I will have to be split between the car, school, and 3000 miles. I am a little bummed about the unknown as of now, but we will see, there is still time till Daytona 2007. But I can tell you one thing if I come it will be for the sole purpose of spending some time with great people, cars and music... no judging for me. To much contraversy for my taste. Now I just want to enjoy the car and the conversations, rather than spending the whole time making sure its spotless. I mean how much more clean can I get it its all new..hehe. Anyway I will keep you all in the loop and post often. Next the car gets a new home.. at home. The garage is fully climate controlled now with carpeting and drywall almost like a race garage. hehe The car will be in the cool un-humid environment on carpet, the best way to preserve it. And stay tuned for that video I promissed too...
Alex
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Jul 16th, 2006
madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Dave I did not get a quote yet, he will give me a call on monday. Mr Marlow was cool I would like to go see him and give him a better detailed explanation of the process and see his reactions. How do I contact him??
As for the wing I feel it could go both ways, but for now it will stay on.
Curly how's it going, you must be up to something to be winking in you post. hehe ??? spill the beans!
Alex
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Posts: 8447 From: Punta Gorda, Florida, USA Registered: Apr 2001
.....Mr Marlow was cool. I would like to go see him and give him a better detailed explanation of the process and see his reactions. How do I contact him??
Alex
I guess give the Pontiac dealer a call to get a current number. Let them know you want to let Mr Marlow see the car he sold you & how it's a show car now. I'm sure he'd love to see it. I'd love to be there when he get a look at it. It will blow his mind !
Dave
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Posts: 5151 From: Melbourne, FL Registered: May 2005
The car was in the issue of Domestic Driver for July/August. They did a great job on the magazine, and I am glad I now also have a year of free access to check out other cool rides. I would post the whole article but need to ask permission from DD first, as to keep it exclusive.
Alex, I hope you didn't mind the corny title on your article. I also suggested your license tag as the title, but I guess Jonathan liked the corny one better. Thanks for submitting an easy article to edit! The car is beautiful.
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exoticse Member
Posts: 8654 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
No problem on the title, I feel it was witty. hehe The moving company is for my car the 88 GT which will some be zooming around the streets of LA and surrounding areas. I am off to Cali for my Transportation design degree at The Art Center Colleg of Design. I wonder if we have many owners there? Anyone know?
I know cause mine is still on the floor, hehe.
