Nice idea to find a buyer but the problem is Fiero's are not that important to people that are not Fiero fans.

I mean if they are going to spend money it will be on something they like not something they do not enjoy. Other wise like John said what the hell would I do with it.

The Vert should sell well and the race car will most likely find its way to a vintage race collector.

The 4 seater is one for only a Fiero fan as it is not that popular out side our fan base.

Also the Convertible may find buyer issues with the no drive clause. If you can not title it most buyers will be turned off.

I think you will find these cars in this economic times will not sell for near what some expect. It will be interesting to see what money they do stir. I hope they do well but they are just not high profile cars compared to many for sale. These cars really never got that much press like the Blackhawk etc.

Also they do not have history that is interesting outside the Fiero circle like Freds new PPG Indy pace car. His car has history that provokes those interested in Indy and Cart racing and this opens field up to more interested buyers.

If your looking for a buyer I would seek out a Museam that has a GM base background or Prototype car back ground that has the funds to buy and preserve cars like this.
God example is the Crawford Museum, Peterson or even the Henry Ford. I am not sure who really would be the best but one could be found with a little looking.

The Vette Museum in Bowling Green could come up with room for them and exhibit them as "sister 2-seater cars from GM..."

Well it does not look like anyone had brought this up...are you even going to be able to drive these legally on the streets? That is of course if you want to drive them.. Can you legally title and drive these prototypes on publics roads? Just someting to look into!

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'98.5 BMW M3 Dakar Dinan S3-4
'89 BMW 325I Zinnoberrot Stock

As Fred said....
"These cars are again subject to the agreement that they can not be titled, registered or operated on public roads, so that will take alot of the buying public out of interest."

It really stinks that they can't be, but it's of course understandable. However, I would have a heart attack if all I could do with any one of them was have it in my garage for me to stare at all day.

quote Originally posted by SLAMMED87GT: Well it does not look like anyone had brought this up...are you even going to be able to drive these legally on the streets? That is of course if you want to drive them.. Can you legally title and drive these prototypes on publics roads? Just someting to look into!

its just like importing a mitsubishi FTO or somthing like that over here from japan you cant regester it as an FTO but you can regester it as a custom biult kit car i know a guy who has an FTO and thats what he told me

I would really like to find out where the vert goes. I would love to build a folding top mechanism like it. Best looking convertible yet!

quote Originally posted by SLAMMED87GT: Well it does not look like anyone had brought this up...are you even going to be able to drive these legally on the streets? That is of course if you want to drive them.. Can you legally title and drive these prototypes on publics roads? Just someting to look into!

It already has been covered like a Hot Dog with Stadium mustard.

No title no drive.

quote Originally posted by SLAMMED87GT: Well it does not look like anyone had brought this up...are you even going to be able to drive these legally on the streets? That is of course if you want to drive them.. Can you legally title and drive these prototypes on publics roads? Just someting to look into!

Nope they cant be. they can not be titled, they cant be driven, and if you dont meet the GM requirements they will take them back from you.

In fact I believe that GM is listed as a Lein interest in the car so they maintain ownership of it.

This is the link to the article in the daily Autoweek email today regarding the auctioning of the cars:
http://www.autoweek.com/art...81223/FREE/812199989

It says they won't be getting rid of any one-of-a-kind cars or milestone cars, so they probably won't be selling the '89 Fiero.....

quote Originally posted by larini74: This is the link to the article in the daily Autoweek email today regarding the auctioning of the cars: http://www.autoweek.com/art...81223/FREE/812199989 It says they won't be getting rid of any one-of-a-kind cars or milestone cars, so they probably won't be selling the '89 Fiero.....

After talking to Jim Mattison of Pontiac historical the 90 would be the last one to go. He said they have priority on that car just as the first one built.

Well thats frustrating its your car you just dropped upwards of around 100K on it now you get no title and it must sit in your garage or else we'll take it away.... Yeah makes perfect sense to me, about as much sense as making the CEO of GM pan-handle on wall street. To be honest its insane how GM can sell their cars off and still hold the controlling interest in those vehicles. I hope they don't fetch jack.

Ford sold some of their prototypes a few years ago.
http://www.popularmechanics.../1268001.html?page=1

quote Originally posted by larini74: This is the link to the article in the daily Autoweek email today regarding the auctioning of the cars: http://www.autoweek.com/art...81223/FREE/812199989 It says they won't be getting rid of any one-of-a-kind cars or milestone cars, so they probably won't be selling the '89 Fiero.....

(bold added above)
hmmm... now I thought that Buick Blackhawk was a 1-of-a-kind concept... and it is in the list to be sold.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/1347/2/

Wouldn't mind having that one myself

This turn of events (selling their Heritage) makes me very very sad!
I wish I had a hundred grand and a very understanding wife, I'd buy all three Fieros.

quote Originally posted by GTMN: This turn of events (selling their Heritage) makes me very very sad! I wish I had a hundred grand and a very understanding wife, I'd buy all three Fieros.

I bet you will beable to get all three for less.

These cars are not that interesitng to people who have that kind of money. I figure $60-80K for all three. The Race car will be the highest and the vert will be second. The 2+2 has little appeal outside the Fiero fans.

The question on the Race car is was it just a show car or does it have a real history?

Too bad they distroyed the speedster as it would have had mass appeal at this sale. It was not only a well documented show car concept but a very good looking one at that. It did not look like the many convertible coversions out their.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: Too bad they distroyed the speedster as it would have had mass appeal at this sale. It was not only a well documented show car concept but a very good looking one at that. It did not look like the many convertible coversions out their.

Which speedster?

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quote Originally posted by sadie goad: As Fred said.... "These cars are again subject to the agreement that they can not be titled, registered or operated on public roads, so that will take alot of the buying public out of interest."

If GM goes bankrupt, Then what? Can I drive then?

Kidding, but... curious.

quote Originally posted by snowblindburd: Which speedster?

The one form 1984 tha had the chopped down windshield and the two humps behind the seats. It had no roof.

It originally was a standard nose and then was changed to a GT. It was one of the best Fiero show cars ever done. I am shock so many want to do a 90 when this car with the chopped look would be much easier to make.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: The one form 1984 tha had the chopped down windshield and the two humps behind the seats. It had no roof. It originally was a standard nose and then was changed to a GT. It was one of the best Fiero show cars ever done. I am shock so many want to do a 90 when this car with the chopped look would be much easier to make.

I think this is the one he is refering to. I have several pictures of it in a couple of different body styles.

There were some massive bargains at the last BarrettJackson auction and I made out well on two cars I bought and moved on that were frankly given terrible positions in the auction and ended up on the block with totally the wrong set of bidders on the floor. And with a down economy, this opened an opportunity to move in which with the economy about the same should exist at this auction as well.

It will be very interesting to see where the bidding ends up on these Fiero's. If they go slowly I'll have a presence there doing my bidding since i can't be there in person. It is going to depend on who is in the room and whether there are enough Fiero owners with deep enough pockets to pay a big price over other vehicles that are on offer. At least one of these cars will be on my 'if the bidding isn't going anywhere and the price is less than $x, then put in a bid'. And unlike some cars, since these cars being sold by a company, I doubt I have to worry about bidding against the current owner in a no reserve auction.

anyone got a clue what the 2+2 would be expected to possibly go for?

im broke, but im curious how much a car like that would be expected to bring.

*IF* i had it, id definatly try to get it titled as a kit car so i could drive it atleast on weekends and holidays.

matthew

http://www.barrett-jackson....aid=283&d=01/13/2009

Pics of the Fieros are up, most of the other GM cars are up.

quote Originally posted by m0sh_man: anyone got a clue what the 2+2 would be expected to possibly go for? im broke, but im curious how much a car like that would be expected to bring. *IF* i had it, id definatly try to get it titled as a kit car so i could drive it atleast on weekends and holidays. matthew

The cars at this show will not bring near what many hope or think.

A few cars like the Buick Blackhawk will do very well as will many of the Vettes.

But the Fiero's will get lost in the shuffle. The 2+2 if I had to guess will bring less then $30K as will the convertible. This is not a good place to sell a Fiero. The covertible last year proved that. These people are looking for Jags, Vettes, Street rods, Cobras etc. They all are a little higher budgeted for cars pricier than a Fiero rare or not.

The Race car I could see going for $50-70K. It may have a history and is a race car. The question is was it just a show car or is it a real Huffaker car that ran for the team? The history can make a differance.

Even in a good year these cars would be hard pressed to pull big money but add in GM has many other very interesting cars many people will jump on them.

I hope I am wrong but the 2+2 really had little interest outside the Fiero circles and lets face it most of us here would not be here if we could afford more expensive toys or had a diehard love for the Fiero.

I almost hate to watch this event because I hate to see GM lose these cars and I hate to see some of them sell for a price I could afford. Some real mixed emotions here.

I set up as a bidder last week and hope to line up the 2+2. I wonder if a dealer plate will enable driving these cars? Or, if cars are like airplanes and you can get some type of experimental reg for it.

I wonder if they will be televised on the tube? I don't have SpeedVision,but if someone could record it, I think it would be nice to see.

Commercials will be playing during the auctioning of these. Not much desire for Fieros for the masses.

quote Originally posted by johnyrottin: I set up as a bidder last week and hope to line up the 2+2. I wonder if a dealer plate will enable driving these cars? Or, if cars are like airplanes and you can get some type of experimental reg for it.

You should have read the GM requirements for the cars. you will never ever be able to drive the car. It's not the state, it's the papers you sign telling GM that you will not drive them on a road, private or public. I believe they hold a "party of interest" on the car so they can actually take it from you if you do not meet their requirements. No title will be given, bill of sale only. So you will never hold the title to the car.

I personally wish I had a bunch of cash laying around. I bet the 94 Geo tracker XLT "prototype" and the Aztek prototype will go for almost nothing. The Geo actually could be titled as it's a suzuki car that they slapped stuff on. I'd just use it for parts and swap the stuff on mine.

the aztek prottype and Pace car 1, I bet they got for $8500 MAX. I'd love them for parts to keep mine running.

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It is kind of a deterent to not be able to drive it. I want to be able to drive it with the fam to Sonic or Whataburger for a shake or whatever. Gonna have to get into the paperwork and see what it all says.

If the Aztek proto-type is or is like the one that Wheel to Wheel did, it's badass. I liked the Aztek I had and would love to have the Wheel to Wheel version.

Bob

PS..Fieros rule

You have to remember some of these cars are light modified stock platforms and can drive like any other production car.

But others are full customs and show cars that were never ment to be driven. You would trash some of these cars just driving them to the AW for the weekend cruise in one summer.

Cars built to show standards many times they are just props with an enigne sometimes no engine. I know someone who drove the new Camaro convertible show car at the Warren proving grounds in a slow speed drive. It was slow as it would not hold up to a hard drive let. Bodies crack suspension break and dashes often don't work. In her case they ran out of gas as the gas gauge was fake.

Even the cars that are production based sometimes will have modifications that would not pass a goverment crash test. The first black and gold TA was that way. It has a later nose grafted on and had none of the crash hardware behind it.

GM does not want the liability of someone getting hurt so they declaire not for road use on all special cars just to cover their butts.

We are lucky they are just not crushing them as they always used to.

What's incredible... I was looking through all the cars for auction.

the 2010 Chevy Camaro 1st built is UP FOR AUCTION with a VIN NUMBER. it will have VIN 100001

wow, they are desperate.

Wow, really makes our trip to the 25th and the GM Heritage Center seem so much more worthwhile and just it time...

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I'm so depressed that I didnt go to the 25th

quote Originally posted by timgray: What's incredible... I was looking through all the cars for auction. the 2010 Chevy Camaro 1st built is UP FOR AUCTION with a VIN NUMBER. it will have VIN 100001 wow, they are desperate.

You need to gewt all the facts here!

It has become tradition by all Ford GM and Chrysler to sell the first production car off the line to raise money for a charity the last two years.

Both the first Challanger and Shelby Mustang sold for just under and just over $500,000 and last year the ZR1 the first production ZR-1 went for a Million dollars.

All the money is donated!

Note too this is the first car for the public so it may not be 100001.

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Ahh I wish I could afford to bidon the convertible.
Bought into this country it would be able to be registered and driven on the roads.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: Note too this is the first car for the public so it may not be 100001.

so it may NOT be the first produced but the second one. Ahhh. ok.

quote Originally posted by timgray: so it may NOT be the first produced but the second one. Ahhh. ok.

Not even the second.

It is to be the first one available to the public.

They might put a 01 number on it but it will not really #1.

You have pilot cars usally around 50. They are already being built as we type. They should be tested run hard used as mules then crushed except for the first one GM may keep.

THe first public one is still a good one to keep as no matter what other ones they do it will still be the first public one.

The first public ZR-1 went to a collector for a million. It is a special Blue and all. The question I have is Jay Leno has a gray 00001 ZR-1 he got from GM. IT may be the real very first one and I wonder what the guy who bought the other one will thinks now?

I am betting Vette team hid this car in Jays collection so it would be safe as they have a good working relationship.

As far as the Fiero listings go, here is the schedule....if televised on Speed TV.

1984 Fiero 2+2 Coupe........January 16, 2009
1987 GM Custom Convertible.....January 16, 2009
Pontiac Goodwrench Race Car.....January 18, 2009