There are a lot of holes in your flywheel I've never seen before, especially in the friction surface. That definitely isn't a stock Fiero flywheel, where'd you get it?
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11:56 AM
ltlfrari Member
Posts: 5356 From: Wake Forest,NC,USA Registered: Jan 2002
That's a flexplate for an automatic transmission. Specifically, it's a flexplate for the 1988-up 2.8/3.1 engines (with the internally balanced crankshaft).
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Mr.PBody Member
Posts: 3172 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Registered: Oct 2006
Yup - I just had to change my 88's flexplate for an 87 flexplate with the weight attached because I changed the block to an 87. The auto doesn't work on a manual car...
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Philero Member
Posts: 390 From: Medford, OR, USA Registered: Oct 2007
Oh my, you guys totally caught me sleeping! Understand that I have a TON of parts, and am not the most mechanically inclined (especially after 6-12 beers!)
Anyways, here is the one I am getting done.
Thanks for the correction!
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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Mar 11th, 2008
Philero Member
Posts: 390 From: Medford, OR, USA Registered: Oct 2007
K, I will keep this one short. Another weekend, another project. As I am waiting for $$ for the few parts I need to put into the engine, I decided to prep the front end for the custom tube frame. Here are a few of the pics from that.
And I know I said I was done polishing aluminum, but I could not resist to see what it would look like. I was impressed.
Anyways, tomorrow may be a bit slow, and I am sorry this had nothing to do with the LPG, but I am kinda figuring this will be my build thread for the car. We will see.
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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Mar 16th, 2008
Philero Member
Posts: 390 From: Medford, OR, USA Registered: Oct 2007
Good news. Finances have finally permitted me to buy the last part I need to get the engine running. On Wednesday, I pick up my brand new wastegate! Sunday, we make the headers! And I am thinking that on Thursday, I send the flywheel to be balanced. This should meant that by Monday of next week, I should have a running engine and tranny. Arghhhh! I will post pics as soon as I get parts.
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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May 5th, 2008
Fieromaniac Member
Posts: 980 From: Hamburg, Germany Registered: Nov 2006
ordered a 45L cylindertank and will start do mount all the stuff ( waterlines , cables , gaslines , evaporator, mixer , backfirevalve and so on ....) Final attachment of the gaslines and the finetuning with computer needs to be done by an professionell because if i do it myself i wont get the system approved ( by the german TÜV) as safe = not allowed to use it in the car .
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Philero Member
Posts: 390 From: Medford, OR, USA Registered: Oct 2007
That is awesome!!! I will have mine finished in two weeks if my buddy ever finishes my headers! Adding the turbo has made me add quite a few alterations to the system that I was not planning for. That and the wastegate I bought for $75 was way (and I mean WAY) off what the guy advertised! I was able to get it right by toning it down to an eight pound spring, but the way he had it, it was at 32lbs before it actuated! I was able to get the flywheel lightened, balanced, and resurfaced. I have all the parts (hoses, adapters, everything) that I need to put it together. Just need a bit o' time to finish this thing (again, minus the headers!)
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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May 31st, 2008
Fieromaniac Member
Posts: 980 From: Hamburg, Germany Registered: Nov 2006
sure it will , i install only the tank the gas lines , the cables and the guy of the LPG Shop will attach the gas lines , check the installation and then he will drive to the TÜV for me
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Jun 2nd, 2008
Fieromaniac Member
Posts: 980 From: Hamburg, Germany Registered: Nov 2006
Nice to see someone is making progress on their conversion. My buddy who convinced me to do this project totally assed out on me and now I am left with doing it all myself. I have no problem with this, but it sure would be nice to have the guy who knows so much about LPG systems there to guide me on my way. I left my header with him over a month ago and kept bugging him to get me back the finished product... long story short, I got it back... in 4 pieces... he said I needed to weld it myself.
Next step... wait a little bit for some money to come in so I can take my hacked up version of a weld job on my headers to someone who can actually replicate the angles and design the proper way.
Needless to say, I am a bit peeved right now.
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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Jun 8th, 2008
Fieromaniac Member
Posts: 980 From: Hamburg, Germany Registered: Nov 2006
@philero , i hope you find your welder ... good luck and let us see some more pics pls i have my conversion nearly finished connected the system to the o2 sensor , tps , gasolineinjector , ignitionmodule , tank , battery and fuel sourceselector
tank now fixed at its frame with 2 steel bands
LPG hoses attached
needed another location for the evaporator ( because of hose and cabel lenght )
coolant lines for the evaporator
ECM of the LPG System
fuel source selector and fuel capacity indicator
Missing : outer Tank connector and the gaslines to the tank , from the tank to the sequrity valve and from the valve to the evaporator
That is looking Great! How much is LPG for you and how frequent are the fill-up stations? Keep it up... and Yes, I will find my welder soon... trust me
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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Fieromaniac Member
Posts: 980 From: Hamburg, Germany Registered: Nov 2006
got a Computerinterface for the LPG system and made some adjustments. the idle hysteresis (152mV) wasnt correct for the Fiero TPS , because of this the engine was running rich in idle and lean in accelerated
i will swap to V6 soon then ill install an LPI propane system means it injects liquid propane right in front of the intake valves That is a very good cooling e.G. if you plan to turbo it
I work with a fellow here in Iowa that has several LPG vehicles of his own conversion. He says mileage is about 85% of gasoline, but fuel per gallon is only about 70%.
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Oct 20th, 2008
Patrick Member
Posts: 37671 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
LOL, I had stopped working on my car for about 3-4 months ($$ is a real factor for me right now). Sadly enough, I have not finished the conversion, but have progressed some. I have decided to bag the turbo until I get the car running on LPG, then will take it to a shop where they actually know what they are doing.. because I certainly don't! As soon as I have a bit of cash, I will be going out and purchasing the last few connecting lines I need, and will be installing the engine onto the subframe and performing a test run. Once I feel the engine is performing well, I will put it back into the car and drive it to the shop for the turbo work. Thanks for the interest!
Side note: JScott, PM me and I will give you that condenser....it is sitting in my back yard and just as shiny as when I took the photo.
------------------ Phil Always trying to create something new! Philero ~ Phil and his Fiero, melding into one (soon to be my license plate too!)
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Oct 21st, 2008
Patrick Member
Posts: 37671 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Phil, thanks for giving us a report. I really hope you can successfully get this setup to work. I think being able to toggle between propane and/or gasoline in a Fiero (or any car) with the flick of a switch is definitely the way to go with fuel prices the way they are.
Sure, the cost of gas has recently dropped a bit, but we all know it's going to go up again eventually. Meanwhile, the cost of propane continues to be about half of what gas costs. Especially up here in Canada (with our higher gas prices), I think a propane converted car is the way to go.
Hmmm.... As much as I'm looking forward to hearing how well a 2.8 works with propane, I'd also be interested in finding out how well a propane powered small block Chevy (350ci) equipped Fiero would perform.
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Fieromaniac Member
Posts: 980 From: Hamburg, Germany Registered: Nov 2006
here the setup of my 3.3 V6 Chrysler Grand Voyager = Dodge Grand Caravan its a sequential system with 1gasvalve per cylinder system is Prins VSI and i get with my current driving profile 20-22 mpg sometimes 24 tank is there where the sparetire is supposed to be 77L same volume than gasoline tank
lpg injectors
evaporator and gas filter
ecu LPG system
Lpg fill in
tank
multivalve
system itself cost around 1000 euro + installationcosts + technical inspection by TüV + entry in cars papers at the traffic department paied at all 2200 Euro and after a year i spared that money already by the cheaper price of LPG
I am sorry to hear that. It must suck to be encouraged to use something that is better for the environment, compensated to boot, then slapped with all sorts of regulations that cost what I am sure is a hefty chunk of change.
Well, I have given this a lot of thought, and I would love to hear anyone else's theory on where the LPG tank should go, and why it would be better there. To tell the truth, I feel a lot safer having a cast iron engine between me and the tanks.
We are certainly not discouraged from doing LPG conversions. Quite the opposite. The government pays $2000 of the conversion cost for us if we chose to go over. In many cases this covers the entire cost of the conversion. LPG is approximately 1/3 of the cost of petrol here.
There is also some great direct injection systems now available that don't give a power or fuel consumption reduction either. Holden VL Commodores from the late 80s here running Nissan Turbo engines are now a very popular gas conversion and guys are getting unbelievable HP out of them over petrol powered engines.
On the tank issue I believe you are playing with fire having it mounted where you do. Having an engine between you and the tank will make no difference. Ever seen one of them things go up? A more logical and sensible place for the tank would be to remove the spare tyre and put a proper automotive donut LPG tank there. Or use a custom tank in place of the exisiting fuel tank and become dedicated LPG only.
