I am working on the wiring right now, and am hoping to possibly have it alive by Monday (if we can get a tune on it by then). About what time will you be swinging in? Man you are going to love this thing.
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Mar 21st, 2009
Sphynx Member
Posts: 350 From: The Fort, CO Registered: Jun 2008
all we have left to do is run the spark plug wires, wire the harness into the c203 and c500, fill with fluids, and hook up power. then tune of course. Im thinking it should be running mid next week. I am going to drive the car to and from the shop for about a week to make sure its good for the 10 hour drive back to illinois.
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hammer18 Member
Posts: 383 From: Maplewood Minnesota Registered: Jun 2007
did you mount the turbo more on the left side of the crossover pipe because it would be to close to the firewall if it was mounted in the middle? and if it was mounted mounted in the middle of the crossover pipe would the turbo spool any faster because of more even exhaust pulses? just throwing it out there.
and my last question whats your opinion on running headers and cutting out the trunk and mounting the turbo where the trunk would be?
I'm planning to start my turbo build hopefully soon that's why i ask.
hahahaha, post of the year right here. I have been planning this for years. Plus how does the fast guy copy the slow guy? Hell I bet zzp copies your ideas too. hahahahahaahah
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Apr 4th, 2009
darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Actually, call matt up and ask him where he got the idea for the "invisible turbo kit" from.
You were the one that came into MY thread that was posted for a good 6 months with your pictures of a FWD header turbo setup... It was quite obvious that you copied me. I was the first one that has ever put a turbo flange on a FWD setup like this in a fiero.
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Chicken McNizzle Member
Posts: 1310 From: Valencia, CA Registered: Jan 2004
Chris West at WCF was turbo'ing everything Fiero while you were standing in line at DMV for your learner's permit - give it up already and stop being such a hater
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Apr 9th, 2009
Nick_Black Member
Posts: 35 From: London, Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 2008
you both are amazing and acomplised machanics, BUT
Darkhorizon, almost every thread of fieroX's I've read you allways but in on how he should improve. you may be right, but sometimes even if your shure you are right, you should just stand back and support him.
in this case it's a bit diffrent, you started the childish "he is copying me!" childish rutine, who can really know who thought of what first? I wouldn't surprised if someone had the Idea before both of you. just stand back and keep your mouth shut. and if it helps you, you should feel good that you helped inspire one of the best (no one is ever "the" best) but don't rub it in thier face.
FieroX:
your too proud, although I respect that you are proud of your work, you get all worked up as soon as you sniff that someone might be better then you (I'm not saying darkhorizen is better then you, I've just noticed in alot of threads you jump in and say "I'd like too see him beat my time and still get good gas milage" so, just ignore Darkhorizon and get on with the build as if he never said anything
grow up guys, your both amazing, but you 2 should seriusly grow up.
DON'T reply to this, just keep going with the build, becouse that is educational, fighting like kids just gives a bad rep to the fiero community.
It's almost done. Ryan just got it started today, should have a small cellphone video to post I hope. Today was the alignment and tune. Ryan will road-test the car for the next week or so. Hopefullyhe can make it down to OK and get it dyno'd.
Good to see another Turbo Fiero on the road. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST!!!!
Besides a hidden turbo setup I thought of would be in the side panel where the water/air seperator is. make the stock aircleaner a water to air intercooler. The only way you could tell, is the exhaust going in and out of the side, but that would be hard to see.
Car ran for a few seconds yesterday, with the PCM out of the X machine. Tom was supposed to come tune it yesterday, but we got hung up on a few issues and I didnt get him called until 5, and by then his wife was on the way home from work and they were going to a movie. So Im at the shop now, and he will be here in a little bit. I have an appointment at the alignment shop at 1, hopefully we will make it. If not everything will be done on Monday. We have a video camera, and plan on getting some video when it runs for real the first time.
And to the haters and flamers on this board who like to jump in my threads and tell me what I did wrong, or how I could do it better all I gotta say is, prove what your fingers type and show me with your own stuff. Darkhorizon, putting a turbo flange on the back of some stock grand prix manifolds is nothing to be proud of. My setup is nothing like yours. Hell my headers alone were more than your whole setup.
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Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
So ability to spend tons of money mindlessly > engineering a economical solution?
Not really, but when your fabrication skills are first rate, you can engineer an economical solution + have a quality looking and perfoming product while keeping your cost down. For those of us with out the means (time, talent or tools) to do it ourselves, then spending "tons of money" for a quality (looking and performing) product is the solution.
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Nick_Black Member
Posts: 35 From: London, Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 2008
So ability to spend tons of money mindlessly > engineering a economical solution?
shush you, how is that of any benifit to this thread? don't answer that on here, answer it for yourself and next time you post. (this is not a discussion about you (sorry for the harsh comments but the both of you (fierox and you) seam 2 have pride issues and is putting alot of test on this thread that I have to read thrue that isn't helping me learn from the build... if you want to show something, show it in your own thread how to do it economicly (like fieroX said) and I will support you for it)
Anyways, any chance on pictures of the oil line hookups? I'm looking at doing a similar build and am curios as to where/how the lubrication system is set up.
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fieroX Member
Posts: 5234 From: wichita, Ks Registered: Oct 2001
I just tapped off of the port coming out of the oil filter housing, and ran a 1/4" steel line with a -4 an fitting to the turbo. Real simple and cheaper than a braided line. Plus you never have to worry about it breaking, melting, splitting, etc. I have a real cool tubing bender, thats how I made the fuel lines and such.
Car ran today, its tuned pretty good. Have to go to a wedding now, so this will continue on monday. Happy Easter~!
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sardonyx247 Member
Posts: 5032 From: Nevada, USA Registered: Jun 2003
I just tapped off of the port coming out of the oil filter housing, and ran a 1/4" steel line with a -4 an fitting to the turbo. Real simple and cheaper than a braided line. Plus you never have to worry about it breaking, melting, splitting, etc. I have a real cool tubing bender, thats how I made the fuel lines and such.
I think the tubing looks much better than the braided stuff. I plan on redoing my fuel/oil lines this way at some point too. I have gen 1 zzp rails and can't stand them.
Its good to see another turbo 3800 finally running. I can't wait to see how this thing performs on the track. They seem to be the new (only) way to make actual power. My 84 machine trapped 123mph last wednesday.
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Apr 16th, 2009
Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5068 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
That is an afterburner muffler. 3" inlet, dual 2.5" outlets. I made everything fit without having to touch the trunk. The wastegate feeds back into the system too. Not sure about the turbo blanket, never used one. I just made the steel line because it matches the fuel lines, and those braided ones are getting super expensive. Just doing everything I could to save Thomas money.
Glad you guys like it! I really want this cam, this car will beat mine off the line, and it has the 2.93 gears. Mine has 3.29. This sucker has so much torque. Next mod to X, is the ZZP stage 2 turbo cam.
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AkursedX Member
Posts: 2890 From: Lackawanna NY Registered: Aug 2000
That is an afterburner muffler. 3" inlet, dual 2.5" outlets. I made everything fit without having to touch the trunk. The wastegate feeds back into the system too. Not sure about the turbo blanket, never used one. I just made the steel line because it matches the fuel lines, and those braided ones are getting super expensive. Just doing everything I could to save Thomas money.
Glad you guys like it! I really want this cam, this car will beat mine off the line, and it has the 2.93 gears. Mine has 3.29. This sucker has so much torque. Next mod to X, is the ZZP stage 2 turbo cam.
That car doesn't sound much like mine. I like the sound of my magnaflow better. That ST2 doesn't seem to have any lope though. What do you have the idle set at?
I love my turbo blanket. I am amazed at how much heat is held in by it and the rest of my wrapped exhaust. Considering my MBC is right near the turbo exhaust housing, the blanket has saved me from some rather nasty burns already. I think they are well worth the cash.
Ryan, what kind of cam are you running now? I thought you were running something custom. Whenever I get around to building another shortblock, I plan on running the ST2 as well, along with some super-secret pistons
That car doesn't sound much like mine. I like the sound of my magnaflow better. That ST2 doesn't seem to have any lope though. What do you have the idle set at?
I love my turbo blanket. I am amazed at how much heat is held in by it and the rest of my wrapped exhaust. Considering my MBC is right near the turbo exhaust housing, the blanket has saved me from some rather nasty burns already. I think they are well worth the cash.
Ryan, what kind of cam are you running now? I thought you were running something custom. Whenever I get around to building another shortblock, I plan on running the ST2 as well, along with some super-secret pistons
Yeah, the idle is set high because we were having an issue with it trying to idle too low, come to find out it had an L67 IAC in the LS1 tb, and the pintle was stuck in the air flow hole. Tom hasnt been back to finish the tune yet. Its set to idle at 1200 right now, but Im going to bring it down to 850-900, depending on the lope. So far this car has done amazing. Had a few small issues today, but overall I am very impressed. This car is motivating me to get my new setup done asap.
Which magnaflow are you running? I looked everywhere for a non baffled style muffler thats the fiero muffler dimensions with 3" in and 2.5" outs, and this is all I could find. I think it sounds good though, actually sounds a lot like a stock 2.8L fiero, just with more rumble. This car is the ultimate sleeper right now with the stock tires, and sounding somewhat stock. You could make a fortune at the street races. hahahah. I know for a fact just by feel, this car can run 12.20 or better, and its not even totally tuned yet. Thomas, you are going to shlt man. On your first test drive, I am bringing a video camera to catch your response. It will make the ultimate youtube/streetfire video.
I am running an erson regrind cam that I designed back about 5 years ago. The 3800 cam technology has come so far, my cam is really outdated. I am seriously considering going through my engine one last time with a new cam, higher compression pistons and some new bearings. I know it will go 9's soon
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I used the afterburner too on my 3800 swap, fits in there nice without cutting the trunk. as for the sound, I am supercharged and ive been stopped 3 times for loud exhaust. But turbo motors a usually quieter, or atleast when the wastegate is shut.
