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Look what I found in the junkyard by LT188GT
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Report this Post03-06-2009 11:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LT188GTSend a Private Message to LT188GTDirect Link to This Post
What do you see out of the ordinary? Besides a 86 Zimmer.



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Pull the power steering out of that thing.
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Removed, cleaned, painted, replaced some "O" rings and sold it all in one week.


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I'm confused. What does the first picture have to do with any of this?

 
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Zimmers had power steering in them and there a Fiero rebody. Rick B

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Did they relocate the radiator fill neck to the rear of the Zimmers?

BTW, I have seen them before, but it really took me a good look to notice that was actually a Zimmer.

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That's a kind of a sad site to see a rare car in the junk yard. Altough, it's nice to see that the parts are going to a good cause.

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Originally posted by SuperchargedV6:

Zimmers had power steering in them and there a Fiero rebody.



Ah, I didn't know (or had forgotten) what a Zimmer was.

I've been enlightened. Thanks!


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nice job on cleaning up that rack!

Some people may raise an eyebrow... but I have ALWAYS wanted one of those...

Had an opportunity to pick one up in '01 for 13k at an auction... but you had to pay in full

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Anyone ever tell you you have a nice rack? LOL!
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Originally posted by LT188GT:

Removed, cleaned, painted, replaced some "O" rings and sold it all in one week.


Pull the power steering out of that thing.

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Question(s); how is it that Zimmer figured out how-to apply power sterring earlier than GM in 88? If there wasn't any issues using the Zimmer p/s unit- why the need for the electric one? Are the p/s racks the same regardless of the type of p/s system? Enquiring minds would like to know.
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did you get the dash? Looks like it would be worth the time to pull... considering it would be a bolt in for someone.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

did you get the dash? Looks like it would be worth the time to pull... considering it would be a bolt in for someone.



... as well as the door panels and seats.



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To answer the above questions
Curly--I do not have an answer for you as I do not know.

darkhorizon and Patrick---The person that told me about the car told me that after I removed the P.S.(the 1st day) it was stripped of just about everything. I have not been back to confirm. Sorry.
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Originally posted by LT188GT:

To answer the above questions
Curly--I do not have an answer for you as I do not know.

darkhorizon and Patrick---The person that told me about the car told me that after I removed the P.S.(the 1st day) it was stripped of just about everything. I have not been back to confirm. Sorry.



Those unique Zimmer body parts are quite rare so if you own one of these tanks they would be worth keeping. If I am not mistaken that power steering setup looks like one from an old Ford Pinto.

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The dash lookd hurt on the top but the glove box may be usable.

The door panels and seats look dirty but un cut. I would love to have the door panels in my car.
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quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Question(s); how is it that Zimmer figured out how-to apply power sterring earlier than GM in 88? If there wasn't any issues using the Zimmer p/s unit- why the need for the electric one? Are the p/s racks the same regardless of the type of p/s system? Enquiring minds would like to know.


After rumors, speculation and a little guess work on my part I have come to the conclusion that the power steering itself was not the issue or problem. The reason for the Elecrto Hydraulic power steering was better fuel economy. The hope was that the electric hydraulic pump would use less energy over time than a constant running mechanical pump.
Then figure in all the money for research and development and the drop in sells of the Fiero thru the years. Each year the Fiero sold, they sold a smaller number of them. So GM realized a "need" for power steering in the pre88 but "salved" the need by implementing the 88 suspension. For any further "need" of power steering, GM would need to sell a lot more cars to pay for the retooling and all other costs associated with a major change like power steering. GM decided the need and cost of the system would not pay off so they dropped it then killed the Fiero all together.

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Then figure in all the money for research and development and the drop in sells of the Fiero thru the years. Each year the Fiero sold, they sold a smaller number of them. So GM realized a "need" for power steering in the pre88 but "salved" the need by implementing the 88 suspension. For any further "need" of power steering, GM would need to sell a lot more cars to pay for the retooling and all other costs associated with a major change like power steering. GM decided the need and cost of the system would not pay off so they dropped it then killed the Fiero all together.



Thanks Rick for detailed info. To add to what you've mentioned- I was wondering too about the retooling R&D involving the darn electro p/s units, especially since most of the old style p/s parts could've been picked from the parts bin. Heck, that R&D could've been spent on a better v6. GM- the more I think about them, the more my blood pressure increases.
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Originally posted by hyperv6:

The dash looked hurt on the top but the glove box may be usable.



I think if you look closely at the interior picture you'll see that the top of the dash is probably fine. I believe it's just some sort of a "sun/UV" protector sitting on top of the dash that looks weird.

 
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The person that told me about the car told me that after I removed the P.S.(the 1st day) it was stripped of just about everything.



I guess that shouldn't come as any great surprise. You were very fortunate you got what you did!

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The Zimmer corp used Mustang II steering pump hardware, and '84-88 "Merkur" (Ford Sierra) steering racks from the XR4Ti car (remember those?)

They then made brackets and high pressure hoses to fit in the Fieros engine compartment.

Why the need for P/S?

Look at all that weight added by the conversion to 1970s Lincoln Mark IV.

How do I know?

Zimmer was the parent of Mobile Traveler, Inc, when I worked there. The owner of Zimmer would drive one (qicksilver) to the MT plant sometimes.
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Originally posted by madcurl:
Thanks Rick for detailed info. To add to what you've mentioned- I was wondering too about the retooling R&D involving the darn electro p/s units, especially since most of the old style p/s parts could've been picked from the parts bin. Heck, that R&D could've been spent on a better v6. GM- the more I think about them, the more my blood pressure increases.
i could see you rockin one of these dude

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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
I could see you rockin one of these dude



I'm already rocking with two p/s units.



I just need one more unit and I'll be.....

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I'm already rocking with two p/s units.



I just need one more unit and I'll be.....





haha nah i mean a full fledged zimmer i like them

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haha nah i mean a full fledged zimmer i like them


Nah, not me. I'm more of a chop, sleek, one-off ...



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Ah, I didn't know (or had forgotten) what a Zimmer was.

I've been enlightened. Thanks!



That is downright ugly
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Nah, not me. I'm more of a chop, sleek, one-off ...



kinda guy.
haha true caddy cien iv always liked them.sucks they never hit producion

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Originally posted by htexans1:

The Zimmer corp used Mustang II steering pump hardware, and '84-88 "Merkur" (Ford Sierra) steering racks from the XR4Ti car (remember those?)

They then made brackets and high pressure hoses to fit in the Fieros engine compartment.

Why the need for P/S?

Look at all that weight added by the conversion to 1970s Lincoln Mark IV.

How do I know?

Zimmer was the parent of Mobile Traveler, Inc, when I worked there. The owner of Zimmer would drive one (qicksilver) to the MT plant sometimes.


So what modifactions did the steering racks from the XR4Ti need to work with the Zimmer?


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That is downright ugly


I guess you had to be there......(at the time)

Cordially,
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THE FIERO LOOKS WAY BETTER THAT THIS

ITS TOO LONG

 
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Ah, I didn't know (or had forgotten) what a Zimmer was.

I've been enlightened. Thanks!



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MAKE THIS FROM A FIERO
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Nah, not me. I'm more of a chop, sleek, one-off ...



kinda guy.

DRUELING
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proff needs a cold shower after looking at this photo of this car

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Originally posted by TONY_C:

That is downright ugly



 
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THE FIERO LOOKS WAY BETTER THAT THIS

ITS TOO LONG



Yeah, I have to admit I think Pimpmobile when I see it.
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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:


After rumors, speculation and a little guess work on my part I have come to the conclusion that the power steering itself was not the issue or problem. The reason for the Elecrto Hydraulic power steering was better fuel economy. The hope was that the electric hydraulic pump would use less energy over time than a constant running mechanical pump.
Then figure in all the money for research and development and the drop in sells of the Fiero thru the years. Each year the Fiero sold, they sold a smaller number of them. So GM realized a "need" for power steering in the pre88 but "salved" the need by implementing the 88 suspension. For any further "need" of power steering, GM would need to sell a lot more cars to pay for the retooling and all other costs associated with a major change like power steering. GM decided the need and cost of the system would not pay off so they dropped it then killed the Fiero all together.


The '88 suspension didn't take away the "need" for power steering I don't believe (though it did reduce steering effort). The internal letters regarding the '88 power steering cite problems with the units coming out of the Saginaw plant, not any kind of financial reason for nixing the elctro-hydraulic power steering that was supposed to debut on the '88's. Just FYI. If you have further info, please share! I am collecting everything I can.

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Yeah, I have to admit I think Pimpmobile when I see it.


id still rock it.
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

id still rock it.



You'd throw stones at it?
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Originally posted by kevin:


I guess you had to be there......(at the time)

Cordially,
Kevin


I was there, it was ugly back then too The proportions were wrong and the styling cues were already dated even when new.

Time hasn't helped it.
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