Everyone has seen the high-rise wing stanchions. www.tlg-auto.com sells the 7 inch risers with and/or without LED lights in them that cost $120 - $140.

We are considering producing a new product by teaming up with GCSE Enterprises and want your feedback on what you think of the new idea.

This will be a reversal of the high-rise wing mod. Introducing, the stealth wing stands:



This product will move the wing down and to the back of the decklid. The picture is a simple prototype, but we would provide a plug and play version for around $100 - $120 per pair. Everything from gaskets to instructions would be included with this kit.

Please let me hear your opinions and advice on this new product.
Thanks for the space!

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Top Line Group Automotive
-Aftermarket accessories for the Fiero
www.TLG-auto.com

Can I please see some more pics of this? I like it, but really need more pics.

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I'm sorry but there is no other pictures to show right now.

This product will be reinforced fiberglass designed to fit exactly into the stock Fiero wing and fit exactly the curvature of the decklid of the fastback at least, if not also the notchie.

Well, I have an 87 GT that has one stand with a crack in it. I planned on fixing it myself, but I may hold out to see what you have to offer. I just need to see all angles before I make any decision. I had also thought about going wingless, but we will see.

Edit: Will the stands use the original trunk holes, and the original wing holes?

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If this will work on a notchie, you can put me down for one. I like the lower look and I like the fact that it moves the wing back.

I think that we will work on having two styles available eventually but we will start with just the fastback version.

I'm not 100% sure on if it can utilize the factory wing holes or not. It may be able to, but you also may have to make an extra hole in addition to the factory holes.This way it will cover up the old holes and look like it belongs there.

HI all

Looks great!! In fact I love it! Though with tastes that differ, I wouldn't buy one, sorry! Is the wing that is bolted down in the pic, can you move that further back yet??

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if i decide to do a wing ill probabley be in for a set.

I might go for a set if it was cheaper.

I am not sure if it can safely go back any further. The material of the decklid may be too thin back there, but I'm really not sure at this moment.
The price may also be less than quoted. Anything from $60 - $120 depending on cost and time to manufacture.
Thanks for the input people!

Take some pictures from a distance so we can see the profile of the car and how the wings flows with it.

Hey Oslo, I will show real interest if the factory holes are completely covered by the stancions. I am not planning on paint anytime in the near future for my 87GT. I will be watching to see what you come up with. I like the swept back look and a lower wing. Good luck to you. Just makes things better for us Fiero-Heads when folks like you come up with great ideas.

Looks interesting, waiting for more pictures.

Does it use the original holes?

Top-right picture.



Its not exactly the same but this is the kinda wing my car had. It was some sort of plastic knockoff that was dead lowered on the decklid. I took it off.

I may be interested if you can still use the factory holes and it was a little bit cheaper. When you can, get a good side profile shot and post it so we can really see how it looks. Otherwise I really like the idea.

quote Originally posted by fierofierofiero: Top-right picture. Its not exactly the same but this is the kinda wing my car had. It was some sort of plastic knockoff that was dead lowered on the decklid. I took it off.

That spoiler looks terrible, but these stands shouldn't make the stock Fiero spoiler look that bad.

Not to crazy on the lower stance but I like it being back more a little more would be even more nice

Oslo,

Those stands, and that garage look very familiar!!!
Oh yeah now I know why, It's my car and my garage. i posted that picture and I
designed those stands.

Anyone who replyed to this can search my posts and find these pics. Just for the record, these were
made with about 20-30 dollars in material cost and anyone with a day or two could make them for a lot
less than what your talking about!!!

If you can improve on the "idea" great, but don't "sell" this as your idea. Post pics of your prototype not mine!!!

Anyone who posted, feel free to contact me!!!

Rick

Couple far away pics of a similar set up I had. Still like the way it looks. But I will be going with something totally different on my 87 GT.

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Rick, so you're the genius that came up with this idea!

Like I said in the original post, GCSE enterprises came up with the design for them and wanted me to see what the market reaction would be and then TLG would sell the product.

Greg (of GCSE) told me that one of his Ebay customers had sent him the pictures asking if he could reproduce it and he thought it would be a good idea so he sent the pics on to me.

The console cup holders, and the LED wingstands that we sell are all a product of GCSE enterprises and this would be the latest, very cool addition. I'm sorry but I cannot offer any "cut" of the sales for this product because he is using your pictures to make a truly different product.

Thanks for the idea though pointing up in the right direction.

For all you guys that wanted some more pics of the "new idea",
search for thread(NEW SPOILER LOCATION-- originally posted 1/8/09)
I posted more pics of them after I installed them!

Not sure why Oslo didn't what to post any more of MY pictures!!!

Rick

I got some more info from Greg on these tonight. Basically, construction of the new units based on what was apparently Rick's original idea will be pretty neat.

We will have a stylish base that will extend all the way back and over the original mounting point holes and allow for one more hole to be drilled towards the back of the car to help secure it and make the mount more rigid.

The end product will be very different than the original post as it will be more than just a little stub that is bolted to the decklid. This will be a very nice set of molded fiberglass stands that will be a plug and play bolt on piece.

Greg (GCSE Enterprises) also told me this afternoon that the price will definitely be somewhere between $50 - $85 depending on how the manufacturing process turns out.

I wouldn't say I'm the genius that came up with the idea.
The previous picture of topher times car is what gave me the idea.
I contacted him a while back to ask how that spoiler was on, and he told me PO had
done it, and that it had come off.

That gave me the idea to make the custom stands, that are in the pics I posted back in January!!

Rick

Well that's great!

We're just going to make a plug and play kit out of this idea that is finished and easy to install for the fiero community.

Oslo,

I was just joking about the "cut"
I would probably be interested in a set, as mine are just a simple idea to get the job done!!
One more thing, not sure how it would look with part of the stand up front to cover the original holes!
I basically just used the original rear holes for my new front holes and drilled two new ones just before the curve
on the decklid.

Let me know when you have pics of your prototype.

Rick

quote Originally posted by Oslo: We are considering producing a new product by teaming up with GCSE Enterprises and want your feedback on what you think of the new idea. This product will move the wing down and to the back of the decklid. Please let me hear your opinions and advice on this new product.

Candidly, I wouldn't be interested in such a wing modification.

My gut tells me that although likely far easier to manufacture than a dual plenum intake manifold, the slammed wing would be a more polarizing idea preferred by a small minority. More specifically, I suspect either one loves a slammed wing and has to have one, or one just doesn't care to spend any money on getting one, even if available later at a lower "used" price, which frankly, is where I'm at.

I'd much prefer your earlier dual plenum intake manifold idea instead, which I think might have, even if not theoretically broader appeal, appeal to more enthusiastic pockets because there have been a number of threads over the years re the dual-plenum intake manifold lidea.

For example, toddshotrods had a long-standing thread on this topic, although unfortunately, apparently nothing marketable to date ever materialized from him, despite the enthusiasm expressed by various PFF members for a V6 dual-plenum intake manifold.

You, Oslo, have pictured examples of both ideas, the slammed wing and the dual plenum intake manifold, one in the present thread, and one in an earlier one:

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I certainly could be wrong about this, but I envision more real "bucks-ready-spending-enthusiasm" being generated by the dual plenum intake manifold pictured above, rather than the slammed wing.

For me, the dual plenum intake manifold pictured above elicits a "Wow!" response. The slammed wing simply does not.

In any event, Oslo, you'd asked "to hear your opinions and advice on this new product," and those are mine.

quote Originally posted by project34: I certainly could be wrong about this, but I envision more real "bucks-ready-spending-enthusiasm" being generated by the dual plenum intake manifold pictured above, rather than the slammed wing. For me, the dual plenum intake manifold pictured above elicits a "Wow!" response. The slammed wing simply does not. In any event, Oslo, you'd asked "to hear your opinions and advice on this new product," and those are mine.

It's funny your post went this way. As I was scrolling down to your post I did exactly what you said.

I saw the wing again and thought yeah it ok. I scrolled further and saw the intake and went OOOOH!

That thing needs to be built. Now I won't say I'd buy one as I'm getting ready for a N* swap. But If I
had a V6 that would be one of the first purchases.


Just my .02

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If the spoiler ends up looking like this and these are priced reasonably ($50-$85, yep), count me in. Though, as PS87GT mentioned I don't know if you'll be able to get a bolt-on kit to work with that exact look. Or, by "plug and play" did you mean plug up two holes and play with the drill to get four more? (j/k)










Looks like that's going to be a nice car when you're done, Rick.


... FWIW, I don't have a stock V6 so I wouldn't buy a DP mani for one.

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Ok, the prototype is ready on the GCSE Piece, we are working on the details of the actual shape of the part that you see in front of the wing, but I think that if everything was painted the same color, even this design would look nice:





Once we get something that looks the best we'll do a final product.

I thought that's what it might look like. The wing is further back and higher up than PS87GT's. I guess I'd have to see it from further back and more angles, but so far it doesn't have that perfect 'flushness' and 'flow' that his has (in addition to the added protrusions, but you're right, they might be okay if shaped right and body-colored).

quote Originally posted by Vogelsong: It's funny your post went this way. As I was scrolling down to your post I did exactly what you said. I saw the wing again and thought yeah it ok. I scrolled further and saw the intake and went OOOOH! That thing needs to be built. Now I won't say I'd buy one as I'm getting ready for a N* swap. But If I had a V6 that would be one of the first purchases.

You'll probably be amused then, Vogelsong, that my GF upon seeing my post, asked me in an unusually high-pitched, exceptionally incredulous tone of voice (perhaps quite possibly copyrighted by someone somewhere): "You actually can get excited about the appearance of an engine???"

I responded to her question very clearly: "Yes, I can, and that dual-plenum engine's appearance simply is a jaw-dropper!"

That manifold really is sexy! Whoever did that did an awesome job. I'm just more interested in the wing mod because I have the engine covered, and I think it looks good too.

I'm glad there are some more aftermarket Fiero parts to choose from, either way.

quote Originally posted by Oslo: The dual plenum intakes...are still being developed. We are currently acquiring intake manifolds and throttle bodies and very soon our test vehicle will be ready for mock-ups.

Your updated news of your progress on the dual-plenum intake manifold is good to hear. I expect, however, that one challenge may be managing some of your customers' potentially very lofty expectations re the actual appearance of that manifold.

quote Originally posted by Oslo: Ok, the prototype is ready on the GCSE Piece, we are working on the details of the actual shape of the part that you see in front of the wing, but I think that if everything was painted the same color, even this design would look nice: Once we get something that looks the best we'll do a final product.

I like it, alot.

In an effort to lower the wing down even more to give it a better, more aggressive look here are the most recent pictures. As soon as I get them, I'll post the further back pictures.

Please keep the comments flowing people!

This first picture shows how it will be a factory style mount for the wing.



This second picture shows how it has been changed to allow the wing to be "inset" into the stand for a lower stance.

I wonder how it would look on a notchie.

And for those people who are like me and can't leave anything alone....the wingstands with the cut-out to lower the wing would look awesome molded together with the wing as one piece. It would really give a clean look with a very nice curve going from the front, right in to the leading edge of the wing. We'll have to see who buys a set and does that first. Hey wait a minute, I have a wing in my back yard that needs stands...hhmmm