Kind of a dick move, if you don't get Fie Ro's permission, I'd say.
Care to elaborate?
And......If there are any rumors going around that someone "copied Dietmar parts without permission", I'll be more than happy to clear that up for you.
And......If there are any rumors going around that someone "copied Dietmar parts without permission", I'll be more than happy to clear that up for you.
Have not "heard" of any rumors yet but there is no need to clear anything up Randye. These are different than Dietmars in numerous ways.
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Sep 25th, 2008
1986 Fiero GT Member
Posts: 3383 From: Eden, NY USA Registered: Mar 2005
I was referring to the image of Roderick's (Fie Ro) gray GT. I was just saying that if you guys plan to produce that fascia, I'd recommend securing his permission. Granted of course, it's not strictly "illegal," just like I said...a dick move. I was making no references to your parts that may or may not resemble pre-existing parts.
I was referring to the image of Roderick's (Fie Ro) gray GT. I was just saying that if you guys plan to produce that fascia, I'd recommend securing his permission. Granted of course, it's not strictly "illegal," just like I said...a dick move. I was making no references to your parts that may or may not resemble pre-existing parts.
Honestly he said he had not intention in making more, he made it for himself. I expressed some interest but suggested some changes and asked if he would be mad and I don't remember his exact answer but the short version was he wasn't mad.
Its a nice front end, short and cleans up the large over hang in the front. Something similar could be made pretty quickly from a few different front ends. If there was a market I could see it but at the price it would cost to create and sell I don't think you will be seeing it anytime soon.
I was referring to the image of Roderick's (Fie Ro) gray GT. I was just saying that if you guys plan to produce that fascia, I'd recommend securing his permission. Granted of course, it's not strictly "illegal," just like I said...a dick move. I was making no references to your parts that may or may not resemble pre-existing parts.
Ok, thanks.
As you aptly stated, there is nothing "illegal" about copying any of these parts that have neither copyright or patent protection in the U.S. That being said, I do agree that simply taking someone elses design "lock-stock and barrel", and commercializing it is, at best, inappropriate. I only responded to you on this matter, as I did not want anyone to get the mistaken idea that Jimmy, or anyone else had simply copied Dietmar's scoop panels without discussion with him.
I can hereby assure you that I did indeed secure agreement from Dietmar this past January to reproduce his parts here in the U.S. Some people here on PFF, including Tony, (exoticse), knew about this at the time, but agreed to keep it quiet until such time as I was ready to announce the parts as being ready to sell and ship.
I feel this is important, as I've seen too many "ambitious" individuals here take orders and accept money for "future products", only to come to a highly undesirable end. Selling something you don't have yet is a business model for disaster.
My work responsibilities and travel had kept me from progressing further with the project, and when Jimmy, and Dan stepped up, I happily conveyed the project to someone who had the time and means to actually bring this to reality. Being the creative fellows that they are, Jimmy and Dan have made several changes and enhancements to the original Dietmar designs, and in my opinion made them even better. Dan produces first class fiberglass work, and I know Jimmy to be a responsible and honest man who is putting 110% effort into this venture to make some custom Fiero parts available to us at a much more reasonable cost than having to import them from overseas. They are also adhering to the business model that I suggested, and are not selling products that do not exist yet.
They have what they say they have.
Perhaps all this explanation was unnecessary, but I felt it important to make certain that there are no misconceptions.
I hope everyone will support him in this and I'm certain you will not be disappointed in the quality of the parts. Personally, I am very excited about the idea of having these "exotic" parts reliably available and affordable here in the U.S. now and I wish them every success with this venture. If this goes well, I know that there are more "surprises" in store for everyone
Randy
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Back On Holiday Member
Posts: 6238 From: Downingtown, PA Registered: Jul 2001
There are a few reasons why I didnt started production of these : - I didnt intend to do that anyway. I just wanted to build my 'updated' Fiero and its still not finished - Time - before production there are several details that I would change which means new molds and...time - With the low dollar/high euro and shipping from europe you would have to pay more and I would earn less
So what I do is sharing the buildups to provide information and inspiration to start your own project....as other buildups on the forum are an inspiration for me. I dont care if somebody makes something simmilar, and if so let me know, I have some pointers to make it better.
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Posts: 8654 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
As you aptly stated, there is nothing "illegal" about copying any of these parts that have neither copyright or patent protection in the U.S. That being said, I do agree that simply taking someone elses design "lock-stock and barrel", and commercializing it is, at best, inappropriate. I only responded to you on this matter, as I did not want anyone to get the mistaken idea that Jimmy, or anyone else had simply copied Dietmar's scoop panels without discussion with him.
I can hereby assure you that I did indeed secure agreement from Dietmar this past January to reproduce his parts here in the U.S. Some people here on PFF, including Tony, (exoticse), knew about this at the time, but agreed to keep it quiet until such time as I was ready to announce the parts as being ready to sell and ship.
I feel this is important, as I've seen too many "ambitious" individuals here take orders and accept money for "future products", only to come to a highly undesirable end. Selling something you don't have yet is a business model for disaster.
My work responsibilities and travel had kept me from progressing further with the project, and when Jimmy, and Dan stepped up, I happily conveyed the project to someone who had the time and means to actually bring this to reality. Being the creative fellows that they are, Jimmy and Dan have made several changes and enhancements to the original Dietmar designs, and in my opinion made them even better. Dan produces first class fiberglass work, and I know Jimmy to be a responsible and honest man who is putting 110% effort into this venture to make some custom Fiero parts available to us at a much more reasonable cost than having to import them form overseas. They are also adhering to the business model that I suggested, and are not selling products that do not exist yet.
They have what they say they have.
Perhaps all this explanation was unnecessary, but I felt it important to make certain that there are no misconceptions.
I hope everyone will support him in this and I'm certain you will not be disappointed in the quality of the parts. Personally, I am very excited about the idea of having these "exotic" parts reliably available and affordable here now and I wish them every success with this venture. If this goes well, I know that there are more "surprises" in store for everyone
Randy
Yes. Everything randy has said is true. He and the guys have been working on this for a long time, and i congratulate them on a job very well done and am excited for the fiero community.
Excellent styled products, outstanding quality, and a group of guys who definatly have their heads on straight.
Great job guys and looking forward to more great stuff in the future.
I always liked Dietmar's side scoops and there was some posts about someone that will make them in north America. Now with your new product we almost need a side by side picture of both scoops installed on a Fiero to decide
Thanks.
Here are some comparison pics for you Dietmar...
GT Style #1
Non GT Style with GT Ground Effects attached to make GT Style #2
Sorry that I can't offer any painted pics. If someone cares to photoshop some color onto the scoops, please feel free to do so.
Dan had a death in the family and has been tied up the last few days dealing with it. He is checking on shipping prices for the bumpers and we will have prices soon. All the other questions will be answered soon too. Please just be a little patient.
Just making sure. Didn't mean to be an ass. That being said, you guys have some great parts at good prices. The best part is that you're in the US. Anyhow, I'll certainly be placing an order for, at the very least; scoops, shortly. Still waiting on hatch details...super interested in that guy.
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Here is what I meant about the new scoops following the existing body lines of the Fiero better now:
All due credit to Dietmar for the original concept , but by bringing the top of the scoop up to the beltline, moving the start of the inward curve close to the door edge, eliminating the vertical "fold line" and changing the profile of the arc, Dan has dramatically changed the look of these, (for the better), in my opinion.
Anyhow, I'll certainly be placing an order for, at the very least; scoops, shortly. Still waiting on hatch details...super interested in that guy.
I have some hatch details for you...
The glass is from a early Nissan 240Z Dan designed a simple hinge for the hatch. It works but he is not satisified with it's appearance. He is working on a different design. there is 2 choices for the buyer. You can either fabricate your own hinge to your liking or you can wait for Dan to finish a different design.
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Sep 26th, 2008
Chris Hodson Member
Posts: 3093 From: Carpentersville Registered: Aug 2006
Very little frame cutting needed. The only frame cutting is at the headlight area and is minimal. Most of the panels mount to the existing locations as the stock panels. Some bracket fabricating is required but it is minimal. The kit was designed around Corvette wheels. A 3" spacer is required on the stock hubs.
The hatch...
The hatch glass is from an early Nissan 240Z, Dan designed a hinge system that works but he is not happy with the way they look. He is currently in the process of designing a new, more pleasing to the eye, hinge system. You have the choice of fabricating your own hinge system or waiting for Dan to complete the new design.
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Great to hear someone is taking on these projects. I wish all of your "behind the scenes" team the best of success. This is a great opportunity for us fiero owners.
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vinny Member
Posts: 1690 From: starkville MISSISSIPPI Registered: Mar 2003
Just a note to say I got my front and rear bumpers this morning from JimmyS. First impression is these are top notch parts at bargain basement prices. Excellent fiberglass parts. Quality is grade A. Nice lay up, good gel coat coverage. Consistant thickness and reinforcement where needed. I don't see any problems whatsoever with these parts. Am kinda covered up time wise at present, but will report back concerning fitment and ease of installation, but I'm sure there won't be any problem there either. Will also post pics as I'm able. For those who were waiting to hear about the quality of these parts, don't wait much longer, as I'm sure the price will have to go up. Materials keep rising in price and the labor follows suit. Communication was nothing short of outstanding and shipment was fast, packing superior. I give the whole transaction a 10. Won't hesitate to buy again from this vendor. For those looking to make alterations to the factory nose or rear, these are the parts you need to start with. Don't have to tell you how much easier it is to work fiberglass than it is eurathane. Don't want to shoot myself in the foot here, but if this is the competition, I'm going to have to stay on my toes!
Good job all around............keep up the good work Jimmy!
Yeah, I bet there would be many people, myself included, who would jump all over this dash as it was done from the originator in Europe.
Any possibility to remaking AusFiero's scoops and ground effects?
We "will not", and I repeat, "will not" be copying anyones own designs. Ours may be similar but are definately different. Aus would probably not be very happy if we just took his design and started selling it. We do not want that kind of reputation. Aus has stated that he "may" start making them again but only time will tell. We have 4 different styles of our own scoops... 5 if you count the fact that 1 of the styles (Non GT Style) can be used to make another style (GT Stlyle #2).
We "will not", and I repeat, "will not" be copying anyones own designs. Ours may be similar but are definately different. Aus would probably not be very happy if we just took his design and started selling it. We do not want that kind of reputation. Aus has stated that he "may" start making them again but only time will tell. We have 4 different styles of our own scoops... 5 if you count the fact that 1 of the styles (Non GT Style) can be used to make another style (GT Stlyle #2).
I completely agree with you, I was merely indirectly referring to the fact that Aus has attempted to sell his molds to another company in the states to perhaps start making them. Seems like an opportunity for the Fiero community. Nice scoops by the way.
The dash, on the other hand, was abandoned by a European fella well over 5 years ago and his design would represent a great starting point for a team as skilled as yours.
