Does anyone have "Before-and-After" pictures that clearly highlight the outside profile difference between a Fiero with a standard roof, versus a Fiero with a V-8 Archie chopped top?

In my on-line searches on Pennock's Fiero Forum, I've found many pictures of chopped-top Fieros, but so far have found only one set --- that without any extraneous distractions --- which clearly highlights the profile differences between a Fiero with a standard roof, versus a Fiero with a V-8 Archie chopped-top roof.

The other pictures I've found typically make it very difficult to clearly see those differences for one reason or another (e.g., because of zero side-by-side, "Before" pics, or the stock-roofed car shown has been lowered substantially, but the chopped-roof one has not).

Can anyone post "Before-and-After" (or "After-and-Before") pictures that clearly highlight the profile differences between a Fiero with a standard roof versus a Fiero with a V-8 Archie chopped top?

So far, I've found on this forum only one set of pictures (posted by ryan.hess) that does that, and I've reproduced them here from page 6 of madcurl's, multi-page, General Fiero Chat thread titled, "Choptop Galloria.....post it here:"

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If anyone else has similarly illustrative "Before-and-After" pics --- or, as in the case I've pictured, "After-and-Before" pics to post re a V-8 Archie chopped-top Fiero --- that would be greatly appeciated.

You might find a few (not in the same location) in the "What's Up at Archie's" thread. I would start in the beginning (it's a whole lotta pages).

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"I drive modified Fieros- anything less would be uncivilized."

I took those pics of Curley's car in front of my shop in Barrington, IL

At the time, I tried to park Curleys car in exactly the same pose both times.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Archie: I took those pics of Curley's car in front of my shop in Barrington, IL At the time, I tried to park Curleys car in exactly the same pose both times. Archie

not to criticize u, but for the future, u could try making a tripod for this purpose, and putting the camera X ft away and mb 7 ft from the tip of the bumper, so its a controlled picture. the chopped pic makes it look a lot better, but i also like the angle of that better. this is just a suggestion, if u dont hav the time, its nothing big. just might give a little more objective view of before and after pics for a choptop is all.

Not before / after since its not the same car,...you get the idea.

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quote Originally posted by Nohbdy: not to criticize u, but for the future, u could try making a tripod for this purpose, and putting the camera X ft away and mb 7 ft from the tip of the bumper, so its a controlled picture. the chopped pic makes it look a lot better, but i also like the angle of that better. this is just a suggestion, if u dont hav the time, its nothing big. just might give a little more objective view of before and after pics for a choptop is all.

Yeah, I know.

The time between the 2 pics was about 6 or 7 weeks. Didn't know I was going to be taking the 2nd pic. at the time I took the 1st one.

I take a lot of pics of everything we do. You know how digital camera are (ie: No film to buy) I took about 15 pics on both of the photo days. It was some time later when looking thru pics that I realized that I had some before & after pics that were almost identical poses.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

You always took great pictures of the GBCT.....nice comparison shots. I might have a few to share in the future.

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quote Originally posted by project34: Does anyone have "Before-and-After" pictures that clearly highlight the outside profile difference between a Fiero with a standard roof, versus a Fiero with a V-8 Archie chopped top?

Here's my before and after:




Actually the "after" isn't current, but I need to drive up to my buddy's house to take a new matching "after" picture.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Here's my before and after: [pic1] [pic2] Actually the "after" isn't current, but I need to drive up to my buddy's house to take a new matching "after" picture.

Wow, your car is so awesome it makes trees sprout new leaves.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Here's my before and after: Actually the "after" isn't current, but I need to drive up to my buddy's house to take a new matching "after" picture.

yours was a coupe?

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: yours was a coupe?

Yes. I converted it to a fastback before taking it to Archie's. The only real difference is the fiberglass parts and they all come off during the chop anyway.

Due to the body panel conversion it was a bit of an ugly duck but here is a more direct before and after set

quote Originally posted by madcurl: You might find a few (not in the same location) in the "What's Up at Archie's" thread. I would start in the beginning (it's a whole lotta pages).

You're right, madcurl; that is a l-o-n-g thread. I finally checked it out for pics all the way through what's been posted as of right now, but I found only set of unambiguous "before-and-after" pictures, both on page 8 of that thread, of a chopped GT fastback (which I earlier forgot to mention was my focus here). However, the "after" picture was photoshopped, and I'm looking for pictures clearly showing the real-world, before-versus-after difference.

Nonetheless, thanks for the suggestion to check out that thread because it shows all sorts of interesting cars, including Archie's V-8 Solstice, which must make for great grins when one stands on it.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Due to the body panel conversion it was a bit of an ugly duck but here is a more direct before and after set

Thanks for posting those pics, jscott1.

Yes, being "under construction," your multi-colored Fiero necessarily was looking a bit rough, but I agree with you: Your pics are among the "more direct before and after" pics I've seen, and addressing the question I'd asked at the outset of this thread, they help to highlight the outside profile difference between a Fiero with a standard roof, versus a Fiero with a V-8 Archie chopped top.

From your pics, I also noticed something I hadn't before in the other pics on this thread: It appears that the side windows on a V-8 Archie chop slant inwards noticeably more than do a stocker's. If the roof's width is much the same after a V-8 Archie chop as it is before with an unchopped stocker, that would make perfect sense. I really like that more-inward-slanting side glass look, but is the roof's "post-chop" width in fact essentially unchanged from a stocker's, or is the more swoopy-looking, greater inward slant of the side windows which I'm seeing just an optical illusion?

quote Originally posted by project34: It appears that the side windows on a V-8 Archie chop slant inwards noticeably more than do a stocker's. but is the roof's "post-chop" width in fact essentially unchanged from a stocker's, or is the more swoopy-looking, greater inward slant of the side windows which I'm seeing just an optical illusion?

Yes the side windows DO slant inwards more. Yes the roof "post-chop" is the same width as stock. Simple trigonometry confirms that if the height is less and the top is the same that the angle that the sides make has to increase. No it's not an optical illusion.

There is another person who likes to widen the roof, to make the side windows fit easier, but its just another solution to the same problem.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Yes the roof "post-chop" is the same width as stock.

Thank you for verifying that a Fiero's roof width after a V-8 Archie chop is essentially the same as a stocker Fiero's roof width before a V-8 Archie chop.

The noticeably greater tumblehome which that necessarily creates is quite appealing IMO, and is illustrated nicely in your "before-versus-after" photos above. They're much appreciated because they highlight the enhanced tumblehome one wouldn't necessarily see in straight-on, "before-versus-after," side-profile photos.

Archie didn't chop this one, but I just posted about this car Here.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Archie didn't chop this one, but I just posted about this car Here.

That car is so gorgeous, is sprouts new buildings

Cordially,
Kevin

quote Originally posted by kevin: That car is so gorgeous, it sprouts new buildings

It's amazing what a slightly different perspective shows.

quote Originally posted by revin:

As Revin's picture snows, even though the roof is stock width it's more "in your face" than stock. It took me a lot of practice to not bump my head when I look to the left when changing lanes.

This is one reason why some would prefer to widen the roof when chopping to give you a bit more head room and not have the windows angle in as much, but I think the way Archie does it is a bit more dramatic looking.

Could someone do me a big favor and photoshop this set of cars to make them both bright red, but with silver-colored rocker panels (like those of a stock `86 Fiero GT)?

Akin to a little kid anticipating an excellent present, I'd really like to see what my bright red `86 Fiero GT (of which I've unfortunately no digital pictures) might look like --- chopped versus unchopped --- although its lower left rear quarter panel is stock, having no scoop whatsoever (unlike the one pictured below), and the wheels on my car will be a bit different from those shown immediately below:

quote Originally posted by ryan.hess:

quote Originally posted by revin:

I didnt know Revin had a 4x4 Fiero GT..??

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Steve
Aka. "SmoothGT"
1987 GT 4.9L-V8
SmoothGT-II