Ben's dad and Paul at RFT both are using this setup. IIRC Paul also reversed the hoses at the front just behind the radiator. I think he's also using an intercooler from a 3000GT.
You can turn it into a c20let. It's been done buy a guy named pontiac jeff. I can put the two of you in-touch if you'd like. I havn't seen the car, but it runs 10's in the quarter. He's running it in a 90' grand am, so he's passing 10's in a fwd!
That is a VERY COOL thread that you linked us to. Thanks!
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Yes, the 1.8turbo sunbird did come with the muncie 4spd
So would the 1.8 turbo engine bolt up to the manual Muncie 4 speed that come in fieros?
Btw that engine looks great in there. Looks like there's alot of extra room in there too. Have u dyno'd it? What kind of torque and horsepower does it got? Don't know much about these engines
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Jun 10th, 2010
fieroguy123 Member
Posts: 1523 From: Indianapolis Registered: Sep 2009
Sorry, the 1.8 is the same block as the 2.0, won't work with a fiero tranny...
There is alot of extra room in the engine compartment, only place that's tight is where the intake manifold is about 2.5 inches from the trunk wall. However, it's easy to detach the dog bone and roll the motor forward a few extra inches for extra clearance....
I havn't had either of my cars dyno'd yet, the gt isn't even tuned. Because of that I'm almost afraid to even drive it for two reasons, first is that there's a risk of going lean with my twin throttle body conversion, and second because I have a limited slip differential and an engine that makes full boost at roughly 1500rpm. It's absolutely retarded throttle response with the twin tb's and if you go around and corner and touch the gas the car spins around backwards. I have to coast through corners. I really need to have it de-tuned. Lol
I had a Sunbird with the 1.8 Turbo in it and MAN It flew! I shocked a ton of Mustangs and Camero's with it. The only thing I had to make sure was that I could not go from a dead stop. Had to be rolling a bit. Once it got wound up it would fly! Fun car until it develope a crinoc overheating problem i could never figure out.
Is the swap process documented? And does this engine like boost?
no 8 psi max or you pop heads and gaskets needs serious work to be boosted over 8 psi notorious for cracked heads between the valves causing severe overheating never been all that reliable even in stock form becauseof head issues GM stoped using the engine for that exact reason
just out of curiosity what kind of work does it need to handle more? It's a lower compression engine isn't it? I'm not quite sure how the whole compression thing works and how that has to do with boost but doesn't lower compression mean it can take boost better tho?
Oh and also what other swaps compare to this one in physical size/ how much room it takes up in the engine bay? (quad 4?... Etc, other small ones)
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You would have the exact same problems with the 4 spd as I did with the 5 spd.
As far as the cracked head/overheating issue, that's absolutely true. The engine is notorious for blowing headgaskets. After ALOT of research I found solutions for the weak piston rods, the weak head gasket, and the head bolt issues, so I can advise anyone who asks how to do that. However, the head cracking issue still exists. So i have 3 extra magnafluxed heads in my barn ready to go for when one does decide to crack. So far so good though. This engine does not like heat, not at all. So i'm running a 160 thermostat and doing everything possible to keep the engine temp down. So far, even on my most abusive test drives in the GT I have yet to break 140 degrees. So i believe that will help keep from cracking heads/ popping head gaskets.
GM set the boost at 8 psi from the factory because that IS all she will take (long term) in stock form, but I'm currently running 15 psi and having good luck with it probably because of all of my preventative measures. I have arp head studs, a commetic head gasket, and most of my lower end is from other engines. For example my rods came from the newer 2.2 that's in the daewoo's (it's the newer revised model with dohc still produced today).
I have owned a number fo the LT3 (2.0 Turbo) cars. With the manual trans and good tuning it is a GREAT MOTOR! YOu can suprise MANY mustang owners! (at least in the OLD 5.0 Days). I have been considering this swap for some time....Maybe now that someone has done the "hard" part...I can COPY!
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Posts: 1630 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Aug 2003
You would have the exact same problems with the 4 spd as I did with the 5 spd.
As far as the cracked head/overheating issue, that's absolutely true. The engine is notorious for blowing headgaskets. After ALOT of research I found solutions for the weak piston rods, the weak head gasket, and the head bolt issues, so I can advise anyone who asks how to do that. However, the head cracking issue still exists. So i have 3 extra magnafluxed heads in my barn ready to go for when one does decide to crack. So far so good though. This engine does not like heat, not at all. So i'm running a 160 thermostat and doing everything possible to keep the engine temp down. So far, even on my most abusive test drives in the GT I have yet to break 140 degrees. So i believe that will help keep from cracking heads/ popping head gaskets.
GM set the boost at 8 psi from the factory because that IS all she will take (long term) in stock form, but I'm currently running 15 psi and having good luck with it probably because of all of my preventative measures. I have arp head studs, a commetic head gasket, and most of my lower end is from other engines. For example my rods came from the newer 2.2 that's in the daewoo's (it's the newer revised model with dohc still produced today).
nice to see you when with improved cooling and fasteners keep it as cool as possible and you will have some fun but watch the heat it will kill it quick
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Aug 31st, 2010
Hockaday Member
Posts: 2165 From: Clifton Park, New York, The States. Registered: Sep 2009
i didnt see this in a previous point...but beyond uniqueness...whats the advantage to this motor? its 2.0 4 banger...is it a simple swap like the 3.4 pr? if thats the case i see a huge pro here...but if its not...idk just seems like futility unless you like these mini motors. I'll go to my grave screaming there's no replacement for displacement!...
fyi not knocking the car / build...it looks beautiful.
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