That F355 looks "fairly" decent... And I agree, the wing has to go... There is a reason why "FERRARI" did not put one on; I think Ferrari knows best
You are confused. Ferrari most certainly sells big aluminum wings on their cars. It just happens that they don't necessarily do it on the road legal versions. But if you have enough money to buy one, you can walk into a Ferrari dealer, and order up a Challenge/GTC car if you want, and it comes with the aluminum wing above the spoiler.
You are confused. Ferrari most certainly sells big aluminum wings on their cars. It just happens that they don't necessarily do it on the road legal versions. But if you have enough money to buy one, you can walk into a Ferrari dealer, and order up a Challenge/GTC car if you want, and it comes with the aluminum wing above the spoiler.
Not confused... When was the last time you seen a F355 w/ a ricer wing on it?
IP: Logged
04:13 PM
rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Very few factory Ferrari's have a wing. The F40 was about it. The F50 was styled into the bodywork. Most have just a little upturned lip at the very tail. I did work for 20 years for 2 local Ferrari dealerships here and never saw one with a wing, or a wing offered in the parts department. Ya , if you order a Challenge RACE car, you get a wing, but those dont even come with a title. You cant register one to drive on the street. On the street, the only one you will see (except the F40) is owned by a rich hillbilly. ------------------
Owner / Operator Custom Paint and Body... specializing in Corvette & Higher End Autos for 45 years Ferrari, Mercedes and Porsche Body Repair Approved ____________________________________________
toys: '66 custom Dodge 'Super Bee' power by 413 SuperStock V8 2008 Mustang Bullet Edition 1977 Cessna 172XP Hawk HiPerf
[This message has been edited by rogergarrison (edited 09-21-2010).]
IP: Logged
04:22 PM
Hockaday Member
Posts: 2165 From: Clifton Park, New York, The States. Registered: Sep 2009
nah, that doesn't look too bad. The challenge cars have wings, for a reason. I would think the main reason most ferraris don't is because that's how they were designed. Most people don't agree with me that the race ferraris look better than the street cars
Now a large plastic "styling wing" with obvious lack of function would have been a different story.
IP: Logged
05:40 PM
Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
Note the metal ricer style stanchions on the gold Fiero, at first I did not like however after seeing the car several times, it kinda works. The wing remains in a semi level state. The white chop top in the background also has a modified wing that is raised then the tips of the wing have been extended and suits the car fairly well with the chopped roof line.
As to the original picture, if the engine was modified enough to warrant a big wing at speed sure I say keep it on, however unless the car can do 150mph or better I say lose the wing.
------------------ 85GT Soon to be 87GT,93 Eldorado 4.9, 5spd Dual O2 Custom Chip, Custom Exhaust. MSD Everything Capt Fiero --- My Over View Cadero Pics Yellow 88GT 5spd Full Poly Suspension, Lowered 1/2" in front, Corner Carver.
IP: Logged
06:23 PM
Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
Wow! The wing...a personal choice. Nothing I can say about someone's style, but the add is filled with misleading information. Body...STRONG 8 out of 10. The crappy pics say less. Interior...7 out of 10. It is 7 out of 10, but the heat isn't routed? The pics do not do his words justice.
I can deal with anyone's personal style. I just hate folks that hype something up, that isn't is what they say.
Heck, my 87 GT is freaking spotless, and I would not say that I have an 8 out of 10 body.
------------------
IP: Logged
07:17 PM
Sep 22nd, 2010
Australian Member
Posts: 4701 From: Sydney Australia Registered: Sep 2004
I just saw a handful of Ferrari 430 Scuderia's on Sunday and they all race just fine with out some odd wing on the car bolted on.
The only Ferrari that race in this country with a added wing is the 430 in the ALMS series and it is a full carbon fiber wing that would cost as much as this kit car. They do not use cheap aluminum bolt on wings. They also use full carbon fiber bodies too.
Sorry this car would look much better with the stock look and no wing here. On street cars if the wing does not help the look.
Nothing worst than having a fake Ferrari with a fake odd wing bolted to it. One of the big keys to a good replica car is to make it look like the real thing in size and styling. The wing here just makes it look more like a fake since few Ferrari owners would do this and if they did they would not be looked upon well by other Ferrari owners. Think of this wing as their Handling by Lotus emblem on Fiero.
The key to a Ferrari is most times owners pride themselves on stock styling as in their point of veiw Ferraris is the ultimate car. Kind of the if it a'int broke don't fix it thing. They are pretty strong on this view. Most if they do anything are just wheels or paint and that is often done by people who just buy because they signed a new basketball or recording contract , made a big drug deal or last name of Hilton. They are not the traditional owner.
To many this wing is like drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa.
[This message has been edited by hyperv6 (edited 09-22-2010).]
Where do you think ricers came up with the idea for a huge aluminum wings?
From RACE cars! Thats why ricers get some much cr@p, because they add junk to there ride soley for looks (in most cases)... To each there own; they can do it and I/we can comment on it
IP: Logged
09:37 AM
fierosound Member
Posts: 15189 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
The aluminum spoiler aside, that kit is actually a ridiculously good deal. It looks to be a fairly well done kit car that overall just needs a few tweaks and it would look incredible. The underside of the fiberglass pieces need to be shot with black, the interior cleaned up and a few things altered, and possibly the back tail area where the lights are done in black. The spoiler could be removed and some temporary yellow plugs installed and you could roll around like that for some time and still look good.
Whomever wins that auction is going to have a really good car.
Originally posted by fierosound: Not sure WHY they think it will benefit their front-wheel-drive ricer...
Well, if the rear end gets loose in a turn, then it could use some rear downforce. This has nothing to do with which wheels are driven. Yeah, I know ricers aren't actually tuning for understeer / oversteer. I'm just pointing something out.
Second of all, the wing on that car appears to be functional. It's funny how all the good parts of the car (i.e. just about everything) are ignored, because someone has an aversion to high-rise wings.
IP: Logged
12:57 PM
rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
On a race car the wing is functional. They also dont do a thing under 150 mph. Unless you drive your car that fast all the time, function is moot. It always has cracked me up when i hear people talk about how much better their car takes freeway ramps with the wings, lol. Most of those ricer cars cant go fast enough for one to do anything. If its for looks, then by all means, its their car...but put on something like adds to the looks. My Sebring would look awesome with a SuperBird wing
150 mph isn't some kind of magic speed where aerodynamic effects suddenly become significant... After all, with 140 hp, all I can manage is about 115 MPH. And there are airplanes which have stall speeds around 70 MPH...
It's not necessarily rice... it's just a compromise.
What about fat rear tires on a street car that won't be raced? Don't need traction to go to the grocery store. Is that rice?
IP: Logged
02:50 PM
Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
Roger is correct about the "on ramp down force." BS on anyone that thinks that their wing will create enough downforce to be noticed. Imagine putting weight onto the stock Fiero wing. I really don't think that those four little 1/4 20's will hold up to any real downforce. It probably won't hold onto 100 lbs. And with some of the ricer wings, that is all these guys are using to try and create downforce. I have seen folks use two sided tape to attach their wings. And then try and tell me that they created downforce, improved handeling, etc. You just cannot argue with Newton.
(Once again, something may not be my style, but to each his own. Just don't try to BS me into believeing that shat don't stink. Because, with past experiences, I know damn well that it does. )
Newton would agree that increasing downforce without adding much inertial mass is a good way to get your car to take fast corners...
Think about his second law for a minute.
Ah yes. Lost in internet translation.
What I had meant was, that if you were really creating downforce with a wing that is stuck on with improper mounting methods, the wing would rip right off of the car. That is where I was headed. And you know that we have all seen some pretty shoddy mods applied to our cars. Along with some extreme talent.
IP: Logged
03:49 PM
Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
The kit is crap to start with whether it has a wing or not. That is a splash of one of the original 355 kits. One piece front, one piece rear, lower scoops molded to the doors... All kind of waves in it that shouldn't be, just trying to get the basic shape of a 355. If you just want something that looks sorta like a 355 when someone sees it from a distance on the road it is not bad. As for the wing, like has been said, they come on Ferraris all the time. Not my style for a road car but definitely copied from a real 355 race car.
IP: Logged
04:18 PM
bristowb Member
Posts: 745 From: douglasville,georgia,usa Registered: Oct 2009
Very few factory Ferrari's have a wing. The F40 was about it. The F50 was styled into the bodywork. Most have just a little upturned lip at the very tail. I did work for 20 years for 2 local Ferrari dealerships here and never saw one with a wing, or a wing offered in the parts department. Ya , if you order a Challenge RACE car, you get a wing, but those dont even come with a title. You cant register one to drive on the street. On the street, the only one you will see (except the F40) is owned by a rich hillbilly.
You are sort of correct The F40 and F50 had very similar wing structures. The F40 was very squared off and the F50 was a little more rounded. But lets not forget the SP333 it was a Ferrari only sold in Europe. It was a race car thinly dresed up like a street car. Other than that why in the Hell would anyone put a wing on a Ferrari? Just makes them look like a Hooker a well dressed hooker but a hooker none the less.
IP: Logged
04:39 PM
PFF
System Bot
Boogaloo Member
Posts: 422 From: South Miami,Fl Registered: Sep 2009
There were other Ferrari's other than the 430 that came from factory with wings like the 348 and the 355 Challenge series and these were race cars in street clothes no carpet no radio just an engine some what like the Enzo.Here is a 348 with a wing
and this ia a street version challenge car ( notice the tow hook)
if these don't look good what else do and are these rice.
Again, the Challenge series cars ARE race cars. On the street cars, or someone driving an illegal race car on the street, it looks just dumb. The only people with sponsor decals stuck all over the outside are real race cars or ricers. Ya, that Ferrari driven on the street to me is a ricer. The Ferrari dealers I work with have sold Challenge cars. Im told they (just like Mustang spec racers) are sold only with a bill of sale and no title. In Ohio anyway, you cant get a legal license plate for it or insurance without a title. I cant tell you for sure about Porsche spec racers, the dealer here has never sold a type II racecar he knew of.
Originally posted by rogergarrison: Again, the Challenge series cars ARE race cars. On the street cars, or someone driving an illegal race car on the street, it looks just dumb. The only people with sponsor decals stuck all over the outside are real race cars or ricers. Ya, that Ferrari driven on the street to me is a ricer. The Ferrari dealers I work with have sold Challenge cars. Im told they (just like Mustang spec racers) are sold only with a bill of sale and no title. In Ohio anyway, you cant get a legal license plate for it or insurance without a title. I cant tell you for sure about Porsche spec racers, the dealer here has never sold a type II racecar he knew of.
Eh, the 430 Challenge in the forum post I linked to, without any stickers or anything looks pretty awesome to me. Not ricey at all. Regardless of whether the Challenges are street legal in stock form or not, is irrelevant. It's still a 430. Anyone can stick a Challenge body on a street 430.
And the Porsche 911 GT2/3 and RS versions are all sold street legal. I've even seen a couple rolling around.
IP: Logged
06:39 PM
Boogaloo Member
Posts: 422 From: South Miami,Fl Registered: Sep 2009
Again, the Challenge series cars ARE race cars. On the street cars, or someone driving an illegal race car on the street, it looks just dumb. The only people with sponsor decals stuck all over the outside are real race cars or ricers. Ya, that Ferrari driven on the street to me is a ricer.
roger some guys with money to burn and an ego to feed will drive a $175000 race care on the road as long as it is dot approved and the taxes paid just like the Enzo with no carpet or luxury items , so for you to call this person dumb is with out merit he just want to stand out from the crowd .
IP: Logged
07:33 PM
Sep 23rd, 2010
Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
The only people with sponsor decals stuck all over the outside are real race cars or ricers. .
quote
Originally posted by Dobey: And the Porsche 911 GT2/3 and RS versions are all sold street legal. I've even seen a couple rolling around.
Probably because they are street legal. My neighbor has a GT3. The new GT2 is a monster, but still street legal. Even with over 176 hp per litre! 620 + hp @ nearly 24 elbows of boost! Oh yeah, and she weighs about 3070 lbs. in U. S. trim. I will take mine in silver. Thank you.
Originally posted by Tony Kania: Probably because they are street legal. My neighbor has a GT3. The new GT2 is a monster, but still street legal. Even with over 176 hp per litre! 620 + hp @ nearly 24 elbows of boost! Oh yeah, and she weighs about 3070 lbs. in U. S. trim. I will take mine in silver. Thank you.
Yes, I said they were sold street legal. I went to the Porsche site to check them out and see.
The pics do not do his words justice. 
.JPG)
