will a 4 cyl turbo engine fit/bolt up to a fireo ///has anyone done this,,is it easy,,how do they run??you know all the basic questions a person would have about a potential swap like this,, thanks again 123

Arn't these ecotec engines so that same issues (whatever they are) as the ecotec swaps already done.

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Not the easyest swap but not the hardest either. i'm looking into it for my IMSA's future.

RICK DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE TURBO CHARGED ONE,,,>?that car would fly...123

quote Originally posted by 123mmmyFIERO: RICK DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE TURBO CHARGED ONE,,,>?that car would fly...123

Not to sure yeyt on which type of forced induction i want. i would probabley do the 2.2 with an aftermarket turbo out of a caviler. it can be had much cheaper and theres a huge aftermarket for that motor

hhmmmmm ok..

quote Originally posted by 123mmmyFIERO: will a 4 cyl turbo engine fit/bolt up to a fireo ///has anyone done this,,is it easy,,how do they run??you know all the basic questions a person would have about a potential swap like this,, thanks again 123

Here you go...

Ecotech swap https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/045570-15.html

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ecotecs do not fit the fiero tranny's .you need an adapter plate .the 5 speed f23 tranny that comes with 2.2 ecotecs can be used with unmodified fiero manual tranny axles .you need the donor car harness and ecm and bcm to make it work or a standalone setup like megasquirt .my swap is called "ecotec swap " and it is in the construction zone .over 50,000 turbocharged kilometers so far......

quote Originally posted by 123mmmyFIERO: how do they run?

" Fast" !!! We have the 2.0 turbo's in our cars...my wife's Redline is stock 260 hp and I have the GMPP tune in my GXP pushing 290 hp. I would love to have this engine in my Fiero. I know a guy in Houston who is pushing 545 hp in his...but he has lot's of dollars in that bad boy...only thing stock left on his car is the seats LOL.

I too have the 2.0 Turbo with the GM Turbo upgrade. Note GM keeps the 5 year 100,000 mile wattranty with the upgrade and shows how much faith they have in this engine.

If you are making the change go the extra mile and do the 2.0 system as a complete package. GM has put a of work into this system and it si tuned as well or better and 75% of the people will ever get an add on turbo to work.

Also the 2.0 engine used a upgraded head and other parts to make it hold up much better to the stress. This enigne is not just a 2.2 or 2.4 with a turbo.

With my upgrade I see 290 HP and 315 FT LB at 23 PSI of boost. GM has also worked out the engine managment system to keep the transaxle alive. The 5 SP Man and 4 speed auto would not last long with out hte comupter and GM management systems.

Just make sure to work in dealing with the added heat as the engine will get hot in the back. This has always been an issue with Fieros with Tubo engines.

The 2.0 can see power of amazing levels with some mods. Pistons and Rods need changed after 400 Hp but after that you can puh most of the stock parts to levels other engines can not take. We had John Linginfelter running the Eco in his drag car at work and he was pushing near 2,000 HP on the stock block and head. With a better hear they went over 2,000 HP. I know this is extream but it shows how far this engine can go on so little liters.

You can add on a turbo to a 2.2 but to do it right you will have to spend more money and still not have an engine as good as the 2.0 is stock.



The HHR with the GM tune will run right with a Stock Mustang GT even at 3200 pounds. I even wacked a guy with a tuned Honda pretty hard that was pushing me one say. I finally had enough and just drove away from him. I just wish I could have pulled over and showed him the 200 pounds of Soap Box Derby car and tools I had in the back I was hauling.

At 3200 pounds I see 13:87 1/4 miles. I have not tried the top speed as stock is rated at 155 by GM. So I firgure It could do somthing in the 160+ range when pushed. Not bad for a heavy box with a small engine.

I was not a big HHR fan till I drove the SS. The engine is one of the best GM has ever done. Also the tuning on the SS suspension is one of the best tuned suspensions GM has ever had. Once I drove the car I was sold on it. Not to be cruel but the SS is more fun and easier to drive fast than the Fiero.

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trouble is the 2.0 motors are pretty hard to come by and are expensive .i called a wrecker i deal with and he wanted 2200 for a supercharged one .i could sell the SC and recover some cash but i looked at the GM 300 hp build up for the SC motor and they change out the pistons .the weak point in the 2.2 is also the pistons ,but if you have to change them anyway to go big hp it is cheaper to get a low mile 2.2 and swap the pistons and rods for something to withstand boost better .on the other hand , i have no internal mods on my 2.2 and it is still going strong running 11 psi boost .the 2.0 turbo motor is awesome , it has all the strong internals and direct injection to boot .the head casting is not any stronger ,all eco block and heads are very similar .i could be wrong , but i dont think GM is producing the 2.0 turbo anymore .i dont see it listed for any new cars .

what model car do these 2.0 turbos come in and which year has the best horse power....thanks 123..if i do get one of these donor cars is it best to get everything,,engine tranny all the computers and harneses??? who makes the mounts to put the 2.0 into a fiero?? thanks 123 carl

Everything better about the 2.0 can be done to the 2.2, they can both make well over 1000whp if you had deep enough pockets so really who cares which one you get. Theres a 340whp 2.2 sitting in my driveway. The 2.2 L61 or 2.0 LSJ supercharged are currently the more practical direction since the direct injection on the turbo versions tends to make it less easy and more and expensive to source fueling related upgrades. (this may have changed since its been a year or so since I did anything related to the LNF)

If your going to do the ecotec swap youd be insane to use a fiero transmission when the f23 or pretty well any trans attached to the ecotecs is leaps and bounds better in every way and not hard to use.

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The 2.0 is a better engine all the way around. The block and head castings are different and thicker. The Head also makes use of sodium valves and better oiling.
The DI injection is not an issue anylonger and there will be more and more for it as this is the fuel system of the future.

If you need info on the Ecotec get this book http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-88958728/ It is the bible on the engine and is the latest from GM. It coveres all versions of the engine and give much needed info if you plan a build.

The 2.0 is based more on the Saab version. It is cast different for more strenght and Lotus engineering also did a lot of the work on the engine. The difference of this engine are a lot more than most think to the SC engine.

The 2.0 is not gone and will be a very common engine in the next few years. The cars it was in are gone but the new Regal 220 Hp will be out around Jan and the GS will be out and I have heard 255-300 HP is expexted.

GM has plans for this turbo in the new Alpha platform and also the Gamma. They will be very common and cheaper in the near future.

Right now the LNF was the only one offered in the states in 07-10. The HP was 260 in the Manual and 250 in the Auto. Note the GM turbo upgrade will take both to 290 HP with 315-340 FT LB. Note the kit is only to 3 bar map sensors from a Ecotec powered Alfa Romeo and a computer flash.

The HHR auto is 235 HP in 1st and 2nd gear and 250 in 3rd and 4th. The upgrade make it 290 HP in all gears. I can smoke the tires rolling at 35 mph.

I do not know what all it would take to keep the no lift shift if the package is put into a Fiero. Also the Launch control would be lost since you so not have anti lock brakes. I suspect both options would be lost in a engine change.

There are several Ecotech and LNF web sites with a lot of info on what works and what does not work.

Here is an example of what just a few mods can do to the LNF. http://www.cobaltss.net/for...yno-session-192648/. This is only a small example of what a few mods can do so you can imagine how much more is possible.

i spoke too soon about this motor's availability .in canada anyway you can still get the cobalt SS with the turbo motor .it is listed as a 2010 .7000 dollars off right now .not available in the HHR though .did not see it in any other available now gm cars .is this the last year for the cobalt ?or is there going to be overlap with the cruise like what happened with the cavalier?

quote Originally posted by wftb: i spoke too soon about this motor's availability .in canada anyway you can still get the cobalt SS with the turbo motor .it is listed as a 2010 .7000 dollars off right now .not available in the HHR though .did not see it in any other available now gm cars .is this the last year for the cobalt ?or is there going to be overlap with the cruise like what happened with the cavalier?

The Cobalt SS and HHR SS are both available in 2010 with this engine. You just found an old one on the lot. The Cobalt I think is done and Lordstown has made the change to only the Cruze. I pass truck load after truck load going to work.

Oshawa it ramping up the Regal now and will start to use the 220 HP Eco and the GS should be here next year with much more power. This is only the begining of the new 2.0 products with several different HP. Also GM has a few Turbo and Twin Turbo V6 cars coming.

GM is going to have some of the best engines they have ever offered coming out soon and they will be hooked to the best six and seven speed trannys on the market.

Everyone gets so hyped up on the old 24 Valve V6 from the 90's. I am waiting to see the 3.6 V6 with the Six speed tranny in a Fiero . This is one really sweet engine. There are a lot of them in the Epsillon platform cars and they are easy to find.

the 2010 cobalt ss turbo is still listed as an available new vehicle on the GM canada website .i have not seen one at the local dealers for a while .but since they are listed there is a supply of them here in ontario somewhere .at 7000 off list ,GM canada is giving a great deal.i cant find a 2010 HHR ss for sale up here new or used .

quote Originally posted by wftb: the 2010 cobalt ss turbo is still listed as an available new vehicle on the GM canada website .i have not seen one at the local dealers for a while .but since they are listed there is a supply of them here in ontario somewhere .at 7000 off list ,GM canada is giving a great deal.i cant find a 2010 HHR ss for sale up here new or used .

GM stop producing the Cobalt way back in June. It may be listed on the website but good luck finding anything but a bare bones base LS model left at any dealership. I believe the HHR SS production also ceased about this time too. That means that the 2.0 turbo motor is no longer used in any GM vehicle and will be very hard to find for swaps.

Edit; Just did a search and found 16 HHR SS within 150 miles of me. But no Cobalt SS' anywhere.

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The 2.0 ecotec turbo is still being used by GM in the new Buick Regal. For 2011, it will be rated at 255 bhp and will be offered with a 6 speed manual in the Regal GS...wonder if the 6 speed manual is the Getrag F40?

See the attached link.

http://www.motortrend.com/r..._drive/regal_gs.html

quote Originally posted by Eau_Rouge: The 2.0 ecotec turbo is still being used by GM in the new Buick Regal. For 2011, it will be rated at 255 bhp and will be offered with a 6 speed manual in the Regal GS...wonder if the 6 speed manual is the Getrag F40? See the attached link. http://www.motortrend.com/r..._drive/regal_gs.html

Interesting... I wonder if the F40 is making a comeback. Maybe one with better gearing than the '06-'07 models?


On second thought it would be the ecotec pattern anyway so only usefull for bolting up ecotecs. Great for the OP, but for me not so much.

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quote Originally posted by turbotoad: GM stop producing the Cobalt way back in June. It may be listed on the website but good luck finding anything but a bare bones base LS model left at any dealership. I believe the HHR SS production also ceased about this time too. That means that the 2.0 turbo motor is no longer used in any GM vehicle and will be very hard to find for swaps. Edit; Just did a search and found 16 HHR SS within 150 miles of me. But no Cobalt SS' anywhere.

did i mention anything other than an SS model? base models are everywhere up here .SS models are available too , you can search dealer inventory online .found an SS at hogan chevrolet in toronto .brand new 2010 cobalt SS 2.0 turbo /5 speed tranny .probably built in june or earlier .keep in mind this is ontario availability , same withany used search i do .

quote Originally posted by Eau_Rouge: The 2.0 ecotec turbo is still being used by GM in the new Buick Regal. For 2011, it will be rated at 255 bhp and will be offered with a 6 speed manual in the Regal GS...wonder if the 6 speed manual is the Getrag F40? See the attached link. http://www.motortrend.com/r..._drive/regal_gs.html

Hint: Expect more than 255 HP.

Not sure on the tranny here as word it AWD may be offered. Might check the Opel OPC as it will use many of the parts it uses less the V6 Turbo.

Motortrend is behind on the times Like normal.

At this point everything will be a 6 speed or better.