60 degree V6 is more compact. No custom flywheel needed. 2.8/3.1/3.4 is bolt-right-into a Fiero. 60 degree V6 doesn't have a balance shaft like it's bastardized V8 counterpart.
I don't have a turbo on my 2.8 Fiero, but I do have 30 lb/hr high impedance injectors, stock regulator, bank fired. It idles smoothly. No reason anyone should have trouble getting a turbo 2.8/3.1/3.4 to idle properly. Those needing more fuel flow rate at max power (while still maintaining control at low fuel flow rates) could switch to low-impedance injectors, and consider a RRFPR.
Originally posted by timgray: Also look at previous sellers that have tried this, the last Design 1 turbo kit sold for $5000 for the basic kit and sold incredibly few simply because of a price that is higher than the selling price of 90% of all the fieros out there.
I don't know how many turbo kits Design 1 Systems has sold, but their sales likely were limited further by something other than just price. For example, their customer service historically has been so-o-o gawdawful, there actually is an archived thread from 2007 on this forum whose title (which did not mean to be nasty) very understandably asked the question, "Is Design 1 Systems still in business?"
Similar tales from others regarding poor customer service spontaneously emerged when I started a thread that didn't even ask about customer service, but about the applicaibility of a Design 1 Systems turbo on my pushrod 3.4L engine swap, "Design 1 Systems Turbo Kit for a Pushrod 3.4L?" ( https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...090219-2-087508.html ).
I don't anticipate there being customer service problems with Oslo or TLG.
In short, my experience has been that like Rodney Dickman, Osloalways has understood the long-term value of providing excellent customer service.
I wrote to Design 1 Systems, inquiring if they would sell components, rather than a complete kit, given that I already have the tuning/fueling situation under control.
Their sales prevention department was effective in ensuring that I did not get a reply to my email. As a result, I'll probably end up going with a local exhaust shop.
Maybe I'll go with TLG if they come out with a y-pipe in the next few months, or whenever I get around to getting this turbo project underway, but it's unlikely, since I already have specific plumbing routing in mind, and I have the Isuzu shift cables to deal with...
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Posts: 4701 From: Sydney Australia Registered: Sep 2004
gen I/II 60deg engines gave the whole fam a bad rep for performance, gen III changed that. 3500 NA @ 220hp stock, vs 3800SC @ 260 (for the series III) +40 more w/ a SC?
Originally posted by hookdonspeed: people are putting down serious #'s with genIII 60deg's, with less $ into them then alot of the 3800 people. just not seen in fieros as much yet...
I'm under the impression that the kit was for Fieros with Gen I 60 degree V6s, but if TLG wanted to sell a version with different exhaust manifolds to fit the Gen III, that would be cool too.
I do question if there would be enough of a market for it though. But then again, since they'll probably be made-to-order...
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Posts: 7980 From: baltimore, md Registered: May 2008
I'm under the impression that the kit was for Fieros with Gen I 60 degree V6s, but if TLG wanted to sell a version with different exhaust manifolds to fit the Gen III, that would be cool too.
I do question if there would be enough of a market for it though. But then again, since they'll probably be made-to-order...
would be a simple change... i could boltup a set of stock fiero manifolds to my 3500, they would just be seriously undersized, just a diffrent flange/tube size and would be good to go... intakes come to about the same spot as the 2.8l. would def increase the market for such a kit, being able to go onto upgraded enigne swaps, and not juts stock 2.8's
mainly i was just trying to shutup the 3800 guy
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Posts: 33 From: Oulu, Finland Registered: Aug 2011
Lets say one buys a kit like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item27be76a53d to be put in Fiero, what else is needed? Standalone engine management or? How about exhaust, should both sides go to turbo or just the other, downpipe? I'm just trying to figure out the total cost if fabs are done by myself since swap is a no-can-do here and my Fiero might need some more uumph under the lid. Perhaps bigger injectors and more volume fuel pump? And I'm talking about keeping the boost at moderate level, 8 psi or so, the stock engine should handle that right?
Hey guys, thanks for the input! It really means a lot to hear right from the Fiero community on new product ideas.
A few things to touch on: We were actually considering building a Fiero specific performance intake manifold for the 3800 NA, thought that would be kind of cool
Are you guys still going to make this?
Austin
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Posts: 15326 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
First off.. 99% of your market hates turbos for unknown and illogical reasons. Most think of turbo lag, others think of "tuning issues". I had a guy at a fiero club meeting say he would pay an ungodly amount of money for a supercharger kit for a fiero, but wouldnt go near a turbo setup because it was "hard to tune" (I felt bad because I laughed in his face on accident, thought it was a joke).
Secondly... I havent made a 3800 swap kit for many many small reasons... One that seems to be fairly fiero specific... Everyone out there is a critic, and everyone seems to be critical of stuff that just plain irrelevant or ignorant. One bad press release and you just killed another 99% of your customer base.
The rest of the people left because they are smart enough to see through the BS are going to go the obvious route and do a motor swap as they could do it for 1/4 the price.
I believe that the extra engine compartment heat that you get with a turbo discourages those who use their Fieros on the street or for long distance highway use. I built a turbocharged 3.4L from the ground up and while its fun to drive the engine compartment gets much hotter than that on my 3800SC. While the extra heat hasn't hurt anything and perhaps my concerns are unfounded, I feel better with a cooler engine compartment. While realizing that turbos are the way to greater most cost effective horspower in a 3800 swap, if we upgrade to the newer twin screw Eaton TVS supercharger, I am not so sure.
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