Hi everyone!! I want to know what ya figure your car is pullin for a time doing 0-60? I have this bud who seems to think no way a Fiero could pull a 0-60 in under 4.5 seconds. He bases his facts on thats what his Lotus does and well in his world his car is just the fastest thing on the planet! well I can think of two Fieros off the top of my head right way that will blow him away Dons and Fierox but I am curious to the times.
I want to use this as a tool to figure out the estimated time my chop will be kinda in after I do the engine swap this next coming spring. I will be doing a 3800sc with a few upgrades to boot inclding all poly replacment of all suspension.
I plan on showing him this thread so he finally once and for all shuts the hell up! I like my Fiero and More so I love my seats vs the lawn chairs he has in that Lotus.!
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Posts: 2658 From: Hamilton, OH, USA Registered: Mar 2002
I'd say any fiero in the 12's is going to run 0-60 in the 4.5 second range. Maybe a little faster. So anything running 11's will for sure be running faster than 4.5's.
Adjusted for elevation (I'm at 6,000 ft) and current conditions, mine does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds at sea level. I have a 4.9 with an Allante intake, 2.97 4T60E, and a current weight of 2,900 lbs. I am working on reducing that.
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TheRealShadowX Member
Posts: 1456 From: Milwaukee Wisconsin USA Registered: Mar 2010
5.54 seconds on a turbo 3.4 at 6 lbs of boost, measured on a mustang dyne. I was having turbo trouble but its probably under 5 now with 10 lbs of boost. The 2 shifts are a real 0-60 killer.
He has a Lotus Elise, he is claiming he can put down 4.5 all day lol this is a guy who has never driven a sports car in his life yet alone never had a squeek of a minut on a drag strip. He is one of these guys who goes out and is a instant expert thru owenership rather than experience its sad really. U should see the guy driving it, its nothing short of hilarious I figure within a year he will have it totaled, he already has blown the oil cooler in it and busted up the nose a bit acting stupid.
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TheRealShadowX Member
Posts: 1456 From: Milwaukee Wisconsin USA Registered: Mar 2010
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000: this is a guy who has never driven a sports car in his life yet alone never had a squeek of a minut on a drag strip. He is one of these guys who goes out and is a instant expert thru owenership rather than experience its sad really.
hahaha, sounds EXACTLY like my buddy who bought a 2008 Evo X. At least he's learning. He thought his Eclipse was the fastest thing on earth until my GT destroyed it. Lmao. Anybody got a faster car than an Evo to teach him some more?
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Posts: 2792 From: Skidway Lake, MI Registered: May 2007
He has a Lotus Elise, he is claiming he can put down 4.5 all day.
Just because Road and Track did it in 4.5 seconds doesn't mean he can. He also probably doesn't know that Road and Track had to put a new clutch in it to finish their tests. The stock clutch is NOT made for drag launches. I bet that most of the modified 3.8 swaps out there can at least match it.
For a comparison, Darkhorizon has a verified 0-110mph in 6.97 seconds in his 10.55 second run ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6fxDyyn0M ). Motor Trend rates the 2010 Porche 911 Turbo at 11.2 for the quarter, 7.1 for 0-100 (remember, DH was 6.9 to 110), and 3.0 for 0-60. DH says he last tested it at 3.0...but I think he has gotten faster since then.
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Posts: 4701 From: Sydney Australia Registered: Sep 2004
0-30 if you asked I would think no faster than stock. 0-60 would only marginal it is the 60-120 where aftermarket engine makes a huge difference. I'm only stock only have 26k on it but the power to gear ratios 1st and second have power available it is 3rd where the fiero lacks. Of course a larger motor has more in second but rather irrelevant when you hitting 50 at same time.
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Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
0-60 times in magazines are with professional drivers under ideal settings. I doubt he can pull a 4.5 second 0-60 in his lotus consistantly. As for Fiero's doing faster, As noted anything in the mid 12's or faster should pull 0-60 at 4.5 or less. My car does 12.3 in the 1/4 mile and I run 0-60 in 3.9 seconds.
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Posts: 1668 From: Cherryville, PA USA Registered: Apr 2006
Fast 0-60 runs are easy on the Lotus - it doesn't weigh anything. It's a very nice car for squirting around the track. Now, 4.5 seconds, that may be tough except for the professional driver.
The Lotus has a modern suspension, and is almost 'purpose built' for track use. The Fiero, well, not so much, but as is plain to see, the Fiero has a following that is quite successful at getting a lot out of a nearly 'historic' car.
Other than 'bragging rights' at the local brew pub, as long as you enjoy your car, what does it matter? I'm doing a 3.4 DOHC in my 88. Not going to be the fastest, but in my opinion, the free-revving quad-cam engine matches the Fiero's personality. I'm sure it will be considerably faster than the 2.8 it replaces, and that was plenty fast for the driving I can legally do on the street.
Others like the V8 sound, others like the 3.8, and then others like to go wild and put in big blocks and other exotic engines. I doubt the Lotus will see anything like that, let alone the community of helpfulness found on THIS particular forum. (yes, that's a Big Thumbs Up to all of you here!)
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Posts: 32787 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Fast 0-60 runs are easy on the Lotus - it doesn't weigh anything. It's a very nice car for squirting around the track. Now, 4.5 seconds, that may be tough except for the professional driver.
The Lotus has a modern suspension, and is almost 'purpose built' for track use. The Fiero, well, not so much, but as is plain to see, the Fiero has a following that is quite successful at getting a lot out of a nearly 'historic' car.
Other than 'bragging rights' at the local brew pub, as long as you enjoy your car, what does it matter? I'm doing a 3.4 DOHC in my 88. Not going to be the fastest, but in my opinion, the free-revving quad-cam engine matches the Fiero's personality. I'm sure it will be considerably faster than the 2.8 it replaces, and that was plenty fast for the driving I can legally do on the street.
Others like the V8 sound, others like the 3.8, and then others like to go wild and put in big blocks and other exotic engines. I doubt the Lotus will see anything like that, let alone the community of helpfulness found on THIS particular forum. (yes, that's a Big Thumbs Up to all of you here!)
-Darryl
Darryl, I can assure you, when you finish your 3.4 DOHC, you will be faster and will really enjoy your car. I love driving mine. My 3800SC is faster and I love driving it also but, they are different rides. My 4.9 is also fun but again, it's different than the others. My son is driving my 3.4 P/R Fiero. He likes it better than our stock CJB car. It really doesn't matter, it's all about enjoying the ride. I've been in a constant search since I got into Fieros for the perfect combination. I still haven't found it although, I'm thinking that an LS4 may end up in the next one.
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000: He has a Lotus Elise, he is claiming he can put down 4.5 all day lol this is a guy who has never driven a sports car in his life yet alone never had a squeek of a minut on a drag strip. He is one of these guys who goes out and is a instant expert thru owenership rather than experience its sad really. U should see the guy driving it, its nothing short of hilarious I figure within a year he will have it totaled, he already has blown the oil cooler in it and busted up the nose a bit acting stupid.
You're actually wasting your time trying to prove this idiot wrong? Even if you do, he's just going to come up with some other idiotic proclamation.
Tell him to get his sorry ass to a drag strip, and bring home some time slips. After he's done making a complete ass of himself at the track, point him to the Quarter Mile List for the coup de grace.
I suppose the only thing keeping a modded Fiero from being the fastest car anywhere is really just finding axles and trans strong enough. I mean even a Chevette with a built smallblock could beat alot of Ferrari's, or Lotus
Now thats the number I wanted to see! lol He came over tonite and well the facts kinda humbled him a bit lol Well now to start building my little monster So I am switching the direction of this and asking how should I go about doing it! and just to make it hurt worse I want to do it cheap as possible lol! If you followed my build thread, I picked up the gt for 300 bucks then I spent another 500 getting it on the road and another 2 grand ish total doing the chop and interior. Next step the engine, April I will throw another grand twards the car to start, I think I should be able to find a 3800sc no prob for that price with decent miles. or should I turbo it? lets on paper give me three engine combo choices based on the 3800 that I can do for around a grand to start.
Go turbo if you can figure out the plumbing... no sense in going halfway on it.
More flexible with a turbo - you can tune for high or low end power, big numbers or you can stay nearly stock with a shifted power band. Even the big HP 3800s are getting good enough fuel economy for a fun car. AkursedX's car probably has double the power of my daily driver and it gets better gas mileage.
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Posts: 3311 From: Menasha,Wisconsin,USA Registered: Dec 2009
Go turbo if you can figure out the plumbing... no sense in going halfway on it.
More flexible with a turbo - you can tune for high or low end power, big numbers or you can stay nearly stock with a shifted power band. Even the big HP 3800s are getting good enough fuel economy for a fun car. AkursedX's car probably has double the power of my daily driver and it gets better gas mileage.
Gas mileage is of no concern to me with this car, It is just a toy so making it wicked fast is totally acceptible at the sacrafice of gas mileage. The car already snaps heads as it goes by making people ask about it all the time, now I need the power to match the look. I also want the power so when I do head down to the track for a afternoon of fun everybody sits speechless as the fiero heads out like a rocket down the track.
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fieroX Member
Posts: 5234 From: wichita, Ks Registered: Oct 2001
Best bang for the buck power wise would be to go turbo on an L26. You can pick them up super cheap and they are pretty tough. I just got one out of a 2008 Grand Prix with 22k miles for $460. Get a little water to air intercooler and you can make 400 hp real easy on pump gas and would make a reliable daily driver. Good luck!
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Posts: 1412 From: Central Florida Registered: Sep 2006
Start collecting the swap parts first as the 3800's are a dime a dozen. Also, go turbo if speed is more important to you. However if you want ppl mouth's drop(in a good way) when you open the decklid you need to be creative plumbing all the parts. The 3800SC cars rule in the looks department, a clean instll will win hands down over all other swaps, IMHO.
Ok OK, so I have another question, I right now have a series 1 3800sc w trani sittin in my garage that belongs to gt kieth, he is thinking of sellin it and for 200 bucks its verry tempting. Should I hold out for a series 3 or can I build the hell outa the one I basically have now? Also, What type of turbo? I traditionally work on corvettes so this turbo stuff is new to me I will let you guys come up with the best setup for the lowest amout of cash. if it blows up well ill just build it again and again thats half the fun!
Hold out for a series II+. There is no building a 3800. As for the turbo, you need to find out how much power you want to make. The cheapest route is probably going with a Holset diesel turbo.
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Hold out for a series II+. There is no building a 3800. As for the turbo, you need to find out how much power you want to make. The cheapest route is probably going with a Holset diesel turbo.
Were does a guy find a holset diesel turbo? do they come on somthing I could find in the junk yard? and what about a waist gate and all the other goodies?
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Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I am not going to try it myself because I can't afford the ticket or insurance increase or fixing it if I break it. I don't have the skill to get the most out of the car either. Oh, and finding someone brave enough to ride with me and work the stop watch may be a problem too.
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Posts: 3311 From: Menasha,Wisconsin,USA Registered: Dec 2009
