quote Originally posted by nosrac: Phuck displacement, (traction + torque) / weight = speed

Really, than pull your SC off, stay away from a turbo and stop trying to artificially enlarge the displacement of your 3800.
It's all about displacement whether from a v6 or v8.

(traction + torque) / weight = speed, This wouldn't equate into faster numbers on a N/A 3800, it's with the added induction (i.e displacement) of air and fuel
that brings the "torque" that "=speed". Ray

On a side note I think there's been a little "ribbing" but been civil enough in this thread.

Edit to add: me and my infinite wisdom own page 4. lol

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quote Originally posted by Danyel: And my point is I DONT GIVE A DAMN even if I was a slow joe who could do the 1/4 mile in 10 hours... There will ALWAYS BE SOMEONE FASTER THAN YOU even with 3800 super turbo'd or even a V-12 someone will leave you in the dust .... my point is... I had fun showing a smart ass ricer that someone is faster than him .... thats it thats all !!! ........Would I take on a 3800 HELL NO he's faster than me !!! If I wanted to be faster than anyone here I would drive this car on the track !!! http://www.wimp.com/fastcar/

And then Larry Lawson would show up and smoke you..........just sayin'

What was the question here???

quote Originally posted by Genopsyde: What was the question here???

Something relating to d!ck size or something...

It's been interesting so far. Uh... no homo...

quote Originally posted by rcp builders: Really, than pull your SC off, stay away from a turbo and stop trying to artificially enlarge the displacement of your 3800. It's all about displacement whether from a v6 or v8. (traction + torque) / weight = speed, This wouldn't equate into faster numbers on a N/A 3800, it's with the added induction (i.e displacement) of air and fuel that brings the "torque" that "=speed". Ray On a side note I think there's been a little "ribbing" but been civil enough in this thread. Edit to add: me and my infinite wisdom own page 4. lol

Still gona be 3.8L no matter what power adder I attach to it. Displacement of Air??? I think you mean Forced induction but that dosent change the displacement of the engine but rather compression ratio.

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_displacement
Engine displacement is the volume swept by all the pistons inside the cylinders of an internal combustion engine in a single movement from top dead centre (TDC) to bottom dead centre (BDC). It is commonly specified in cubic centimeters (cc), litres (l), or (mainly in North America) cubic inches (CID). Engine displacement does not include the total volume of the combustion chamber.


If I put the same forced induction setup on a L32 and L67 engine and everything else the same with the exception of compression ratio which will be faster? They both have the same displacement.

quote Originally posted by nosrac: Still gona be 3.8L no matter what power adder I attach to it. Displacement of Air??? I think you mean Forced induction but that dosent change the displacement of the engine but rather compression ratio.

I think he's stuck on the idea of superchargers being considered positive displacement?
"a positive displacement supercharger displaces X amount of air per revolution. if you turn a eaton M112 supercharger once it moves 112 cubic inches of air. Lets pretend the blower spins twice as fast as the engine. lets also pretend the engine displaces 300ci (and therefore uses 150ci per revolution) if you stuff 224 ci of air ( the M112 spinning twice) into a space for 150ci of air (the engine) then the air becomes compressed."

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Except the sound of the blower whine...

If I wanted to listen to whining, I'd just stay home and talk to the wife. My fiero is for enjoyment, not for reminding me of what I have to put up with when I get home. That's why I prefer the V8. Just sayin.

quote Originally posted by rcp builders: DING, DING, DING That is the real reason you don't see higher numbers for the v8's. Ray

First, this is NOT always true. My LS4 is done the way it is because it is street legal in CA. I dont want to play games with the state over smog laws. Other people have reasons to not build a race car engine in a daily driver as well.

Second this thread is highjacked by people talking about V6's. WHY, that was not even the topic. If sombody wants to talk about V6's they could start a new topic.
I dont hate on the 3800, it is a great choice for a swap in the Fiero. But it is not the only choice as some seem to think.
I have driven a lot of engine swapped Fiero's including one of Curlys N* ChopTops, a modified 3800SC 5 speed as well as several V6 swaps and V8 swaps and can say that the engine IS NOT what "wins races" it is the best combination of HP, TQ, weight, traction, (suspention set up tires and tire pressure) gear ratio, weather conditions and driver skill.
If people have time slips for V8's then post them. If you have an opinion dont argue about it start another thread.

And then you have the people that just love to cause hate and discontent. Never happy to see others getting along without them.

quote Originally posted by Reallybig: If I wanted to listen to whining, I'd just stay home and talk to the wife. My fiero is for enjoyment, not for reminding me of what I have to put up with when I get home. That's why I prefer the V8. Just sayin.

Does she let you take ur pants with u when u take the car out? Weak pimp hand...

I keep watching this thread to see V8 times. Seems like it is turning into a V6 versus V8 thread. That's not the topic. There are threads where V8 and V6 guys can bash each other. Why not keep the arguing there and keep this one on topic? I've broken a stock transmission with my turbo ls4 and a beefed transmission. I'm getting a transmission built now that has everything except a 1" chain. I only plan on a dyno pull for HP certification and a 1/4 mile run for time certification. I'll post them, then turn down the boost and run it that way because anything over 400 HP on the street with our cars is just way overkill. Hopefully I can put down a 1/4 mile time this summer.

quote Originally posted by dratts: I keep watching this thread to see V8 times. Seems like it is turning into a V6 versus V8 thread. That's not the topic. There are threads where V8 and V6 guys can bash each other. Why not keep the arguing there and keep this one on topic? I've broken a stock transmission with my turbo ls4 and a beefed transmission. I'm getting a transmission built now that has everything except a 1" chain. I only plan on a dyno pull for HP certification and a 1/4 mile run for time certification. I'll post them, then turn down the boost and run it that way because anything over 400 HP on the street with our cars is just way overkill. Hopefully I can put down a 1/4 mile time this summer.

I know they're pretty rare, but are you looking for a 1" chain?

Well cartuning is building the transmission now with a modified 15/16" chain. If you know where I can get a 1" chain and sprocket set I would be interested.

quote Originally posted by dratts: Well cartuning is building the transmission now with a modified 15/16" chain. If you know where I can get a 1" chain and sprocket set I would be interested.

I can look around, I personally haven't seen any. I just figured you'd be looking. Then while skimming for one after reading this, I found you had been asking on another site. I'll keep my eyes open.

quote Originally posted by dratts: Well cartuning is building the transmission now with a modified 15/16" chain. If you know where I can get a 1" chain and sprocket set I would be interested.

an "unmodified" 15/16 is just a really old smoother roller style chain... its most likely quite weaker than the stock 1 inch rocker chain.

What is Kevin doing to modify the crappy old 15/16 chain?

I'm not sure what Kevin does. My understanding of chains is 1" best, 15/16" next strongest but breaks, 7/8" weaker but stretches instead of breaking. TEP uses 7/8" chain in their builds. I had a 7/8" chain on my second tansmission when I broke another input shaft. That one was a 300M input shaft.

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quote Originally posted by Danyel: ... speed is relative...point A to point B... all depends on how fast you want to get there... me, in one piece WITHOUT killing anyone while getting there. Once you have flown in a jet fighter like I have SPEED in a car is VERY F'N boring..... I'll always remember the rumble of those Pratt & Whitneys pushing our a$$es across the runway on take off... NO F'N QUARTER MILE SC3800 fiero WILL BEAT THAT ... thats all I will say... I love SC3800 and one day will have one in my wife's fiero... not for speed its "passé" to me.

speed is also relative to the amount of space you have. when doing mach 1 at 35,000 feet it feels like going 2 miles an hour in a field. now not that im condoning this but doing 90 mph thru a school zone while your grandpa is having a stroke in your passenger seat...well ya between the stroke and the speed i find it hard to top that amount of anxiety and adrenaline. dont worry no children were harmed in the proccess because school wasnt in session.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paKozbCvP9k

This is all I got for posting time, no slip cause frankly wasn't a great run and only 1/8 mile.

flow > displacement

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quote Originally posted by Niterrorz: speed is also relative to the amount of space you have. when doing mach 1 at 35,000 feet it feels like going 2 miles an hour in a field. now not that im condoning this but doing 90 mph thru a school zone while your grandpa is having a stroke in your passenger seat...well ya between the stroke and the speed i find it hard to top that amount of anxiety and adrenaline. dont worry no children were harmed in the proccess because school wasnt in session.

I can agree with that .... there are times when speed is needed ... (Emergency) at 35000 ft its like your standing still... but at 1000 feet well ... you get the picture...

quote Originally posted by rcp builders: LMAO Did you really quote wikipedia?? You should thank god or who ever that you got some one like Mustangsbware doing your swaps. Next time you should at least ask him for your next thought, so it will at least be an intelligent one that you regurgitate. If you read your little wiki quote it says the VOLUME SWEPT INSIDE A CYLINDER. Well if you are forcing more volume in that cylinder with a SC or Turbo than you will be increasing the displacement. While Mustangs is building your car you should ask if you can at least look over his should in hopes of learning something, lol. Ray

HaaHaa Ha.... Keep it clean. I don't claim to be a master ASE certified auto technician or anything and I do look over everyones shoulder in hopes of learning something.
I am not too subborn or have an overblown ego where I can't take advise or constructive critism. I can read and comprehend well enough.
Yes, i quoted it. Would you like me to quote Auto Mechanics next time? Don't you get your information from sources you read or is it something you are born with?
Again, IMO 3.8L is 3.8L forcing more air into the cylinder does NOT change it's displacement but rather its compression ratio. Teach me as I am all ears for learning.

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Does she let you take ur pants with u when u take the car out? Weak pimp hand...

Wow, so sensitive! Just pointing out that some like the whine, some like the rumble. Engine choice is not always about which is fastest...that is why there are different classes to run in at Bonneville and not a big sign " 3800 SC only". The original post just wanted some V8 1/4 times, not the classic "my d1ck is bigger than your d1ck" debate. Certainly not meant to be an offending comment....hope I didn't make you cry.

quote Originally posted by rcp builders: LMAO Did you really quote wikipedia?? You should thank god or who ever that you got some one like Mustangsbware doing your swaps. Next time you should at least ask him for your next thought, so it will at least be an intelligent one that you regurgitate. If you read your little wiki quote it says the VOLUME SWEPT INSIDE A CYLINDER. Well if you are forcing more volume in that cylinder with a SC or Turbo than you will be increasing the displacement. While Mustangs is building your car you should ask if you can at least look over his should in hopes of learning something, lol. Ray

LMAO are you really that much of a douche?
3.8L is still 3.8L unless you change its bore or stroke. According to you more air equals more displacement right? Does that mean If I port a 3.8L head to increase air flow I'm increasing displacement? Please go ahead and teach me something that you know that apparently every car manufacturer that makes a turbo/supercharged car doesn't know.
All ears chief.

Edit to add: I guess I've been wrong my whole life, I could have sworn that a turbo/SC increased compression ratio... Hmm maybe I can tell every one I've got a bigger engine then.

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quote Originally posted by Reallybig: Wow, so sensitive! Just pointing out that some like the whine, some like the rumble. Engine choice is not always about which is fastest...that is why there are different classes to run in at Bonneville and not a big sign " 3800 SC only". The original post just wanted some V8 1/4 times, not the classic "my d1ck is bigger than your d1ck" debate. Certainly not meant to be an offending comment....hope I didn't make you cry.

This guy must be new around here.....

quote Originally posted by Justinbart: flow > displacement

Hustle > flow

quote Originally posted by nosrac: Hustle > flow

Swagger > Hustle

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quote Originally posted by Justinbart: Swagger > Hustle

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: This guy must be new around here.....

I hope that's not a problem. I'm still just hoping to find some quality V8 1/4 mile times posted.

quote Originally posted by Reallybig: I hope that's not a problem. I'm still just hoping to find some quality V8 1/4 mile times posted.

Good luck with that....most V8 swapped members on here do it for the V8 rumble and not the speed.....

quote Originally posted by Reallybig: I hope that's not a problem. I'm still just hoping to find some quality V8 1/4 mile times posted.

There are seventeen V8 times posted in a link on page 2.

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quote Originally posted by Justinbart: There are seventeen V8 times posted in a link on page 2.

Thanks, I must have missed those among the 4 pages of mud slinging.

quote Originally posted by Niterrorz: speed is also relative....

That's true... I'm traveling at about 1,000 mph just sitting here in my desk as the Earth rotates on it's axis. And that doesn't even factor in the 67,000 mph that the Earth is moving about the Sun, and not at all factoring in the 550,000 miles per hour our solar system is whizzing about the center of the Galaxy. Sagan only knows how fast our galaxy is moving in the Universe, (although it's estimated at 1.3 million miles per hour!)

Oh and my V8 is dog slow in the 1/4 mile, but I love the rumble.

I plan to make a 1/4 mile run or two with my 4.9 in the spring. I'm not expecting the best..but hey I haven't seen all that many times from 4.9's. Yes, I did it for the rumble as well as a performance increase.. But if anyone has seen my exhaust system (or lack there of), you'll know when I'm coming.

I'm hoping for high 14's, but expecting 15's.

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quote Originally posted by jscott1: Oh and my V8 is dog slow in the 1/4 mile, but I love the rumble.

Honest, we can all be that here right. I love the sound of the SBC but I built the car because I wanted something quick, it does that, its very quick up to 80. Its probably just as quick to 110 but I have never felt the need to go over 80 in the car but it gets there.
It probably wouldn't do all that well in the 1/4 as its not built for that kind of driving. I would guess it would do ok but for what I use the car for I am happy.

Now the truth, if I was to build a car for the rumble I would build a SBF and put it in an old pony car.

"Oh and my V8 is dog slow in the 1/4 mile, but I love the rumble."

There are no "dog slow" V8 Fieros.

VERIFIED TIMES FROM LIST:

Orief: 12.34 @ 111mph (ZZ4 350 V8 / Muncie 4-spd)

Her86GT: 12.51 @ 107.87mph (4.9 V8, turbo / 4T60E)
Her86GT: 12.62 @ 109mph (NorthStar V8 , turbo / 4T60)

Blkcofy: 12.961 @ 105.5 mph ('87 GT / LS4 V8 / 4T65E, paddle-shifter)

edmjay: 13.792 @ 101.39mph (86 GT / Northstar / 5spd Getrag)
DrCPU: 13.8 @ 104mph (350 SBC V8 / G6 6-speed)
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Scrabblegod: 13.89 @ 109 mph (4.9 V8, Delta cam, ported, Rockcrawl chip / ???)


Can anyone think of a reason why a person building a 3800 posts about wanting V-8 Fiero 1/4 mile times and after FOUR pages never posts anything?
Do you some times feel like you've been "played"?
Do you wonder why V-6 people care about V-8 1/4 mile times?
I once owned a 1980 VW Dasher Diesel station wagon. FAST at 18 seconds in the 1/4 mile. I had the FASTEST one made! STILL it wasn't fast, but got 55MPG.
So.....I owned a SLOW car, but the fastest VW Diesel Dasher wagon!
I also owned a street LEGAL and "Streetable" 9 second V-8 Chevy Monza. Still wasn't the fastest Monza.
POINT being..... Fieros are FUN, but not the fastest.

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quote Originally posted by fierocarparts: POINT being..... Fieros are FUN, but not the fastest.

Now that is EXCELLENT saying ....... now if I strap on 50 pounds of C4 to the bumper and ignite it at the green light I wonder how fast I could do the quarter mile then... in ten maybe ?? When I changed my 305 to a 350 I never got the time to go and dyno it... guess I'm too poor ... I'll just throw in a couple of 1Ks on paint job plus my new rims ($1500) and see if that improves my 1/4 mile !!! LOL ... it just might .. Aerodynamics people Aerodynamics ... LOL

I prefer my 1/4 mile on winding scenic roads .... cop radars are a b!tch !!!

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quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Now the truth, if I was to build a car for the rumble I would build a SBF and put it in an old pony car.

I'll second that! Of all the cars I have owned, I miss my 67 convertible 289 4bbl Mustang the most!

quote Originally posted by Danyel: Now that is EXCELLENT saying ....... now if I strap on 50 pounds of C4 to the bumper and ignite it at the green light I wonder how fast I could do the quarter mile then... in ten maybe ?? When I changed my 305 to a 350 I never got the time to go and dyno it... guess I'm too poor ... I'll just throw in a couple of 1Ks on paint job plus my new rims ($1500) and see if that improves my 1/4 mile !!! LOL ... it just might .. Aerodynamics people Aerodynamics ... LOL I prefer my 1/4 mile on winding scenic roads .... cop radars are a b!tch !!!

you might get a good 1/4 mile time going up with c4....lmao.......i like that

ok gotta ask why are the 3800 owners claiming they are better than lets say a 350? i mean from a power to weight ratio point of view does it really matter how many cyl you have? i dont know how much a 3800 sc weighs but lets say you take a 350 beings all cast iron and add the adapter plate in its prolly gonna weight quite a bit more than a 3800 sc but put out more power at the same time. if you mated them to the same type of trans why wouldnt the 350 beat the 3800 everytime? of course we are assuming you have 100% traction or at least someone who know how to launch.

im not saying either is better my first build was a 4.9 and ive been able to drive it once around the block (until i finish the exhaust) and im starting on my 3800 build, im just trying to figure out what the pissing contest is all about.

any answer is welcome as long as i get some insight into this phenomena