So I was gonna build a 3800SC for my Fastback, but the more I think of it, I want to do an LS motor. Still shopping around. Could be a 5.7, a 6.0 or a 6.2. What kind of times are the LS fieros running at the track?
So I was gonna build a 3800SC for my Fastback, but the more I think of it, I want to do an LS motor. Still shopping around. Could be a 5.7, a 6.0 or a 6.2. What kind of times are the LS fieros running at the track?
The only one I have seen run at the track myself was a LS1/6 speed Formula that Archee build...It ran in the high 13s but I do not remember the trap.....Don Kraus ran in the mid 11s with his LSX/65E before the trans gave due to adapter plate tolerance....All other LSX swaps that I can think of are just for show the sound of the V-8 rumble......
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Jan 13th, 2012
nosrac Member
Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
I was on the fence also about 3800 or sbc. I want one of each. The 3800 for the fuel economy but like everyone has said, theres nothing like the sound of a good ole fashion v8!
I was on the fence also about 3800 or sbc. I want one of each. The 3800 for the fuel economy but like everyone has said, theres nothing like the sound of a good ole fashion v8!
Except the sound of the blower whine as it blows by a "good Ol' fashion SBC"......
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11:23 AM
NEVERDONE Member
Posts: 1088 From: ft worth, tx Registered: Sep 2011
I like both dont get me wrong. That why I want both! I to like the whine of the s.c. as well as the get up and go and fuel economy but again, just the rumble of the v8 is enough to make heads turn! I will have the sbc in my notchie but a few years from now, I will also have a fastback with the 3800 s.c. in it. So !
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11:31 AM
Rickady88GT Member
Posts: 10649 From: Central CA Registered: Dec 2002
I have to ask, are you wanting times for "race prp" "high performance" or smog legal cars? Here in CA they can impound your car if they belive that it is modified for race. For example they stop you for street racing or you cause a crash. Then you go to court and pay to get it back, if you win. So I did my LS4 for my own reasons, one of them is more power and the other is to stay smog legal. Some people will make fun of cars like mine because it could/should have better times because they are measuring it against "race prep, modified" cars. I can say it will spank a smog legal 3800 SC hands down. A 3800 SC modified for race (by definition of CA law) will spank this stock LS4.
I get about 25mpg and can take my car to ANY CHP check point or smog shop without fear. So I think the questions should be asked with the goals clearly stated.
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11:45 AM
nosrac Member
Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
Originally posted by MstangsBware: Just stating the facts and nothing but the facts....
we have V8s and they're not for the speed .... just like a Harley that rumble sound blows anything away.. you NEVER can go faster than a cop car's radio....even with a whiney sc ....and they have V8's
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we have V8s and they're not for the speed .... just like a Harley that rumble sound blows anything away.. you NEVER can go faster than a cop car's radio....even with a whiney sc ....and they have V8's
Actually this is funny. The 3800 vs V8 thing has always reminded me of the Harley riders vs the sport bike riders. Both talk smack on each other and have a never-ending argument / debate just like this one. I've been snubbed by Harley riders when I've been on my bikes (mostly import sport or standards). I don't get it, I respect anyone who rides and always try to give them a nod or gesture acknowledging them. I feel the same way about Fieros and especially about anyone that goes out of their way to customize them. I wish other people felt the same way in general. It always turns into a real life example of Dr. Seuss's "Star Bellied Sneeches" story.
Actually this is funny. The 3800 vs V8 thing has always reminded me of the Harley riders vs the sport bike riders. Both talk smack on each other and have a never-ending argument / debate just like this one. I've been snubbed by Harley riders when I've been on my bikes (mostly import sport or standards). I don't get it, I respect anyone who rides and always try to give them a nod or gesture acknowledging them. I feel the same way about Fieros and especially about anyone that goes out of their way to customize them. I wish other people felt the same way in general. It always turns into a real life example of Dr. Seuss's "Star Bellied Sneeches" story.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!! You also can do the same comparison between cars Made in USA and Made in Japan !!!
Of course they r not...that has been proven many times over the past 20 plus years of them being installed in Fieros...They r for poor fuel economy, that V-8 rumble and getting drug by any other vehicle on the road with over 175 HP....But if that is what you like I aint haten....
Originally posted by MstangsBware: Of course they r not...that has been proven many times over the past 20 plus years of them being installed in Fieros...They r for poor fuel economy, that V-8 rumble and getting drug by any other vehicle on the road with over 175 HP....But if that is what you like I aint haten....
neither am I hatin.....different strokes for different folks .....mine's a V8............ 2 liters are for juice and milk cartons
gt86fastback dont know where your 1/4 mile times r....i dont have any for u either,but i will say this......most people with 3.8 SC done up in a fiero will go faster than v8...and thats coming from a guy that is doing a v8 swap....comparing apples to oranges.....but that is only in a fiero
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Posts: 736 From: north port, Fl. Registered: Apr 2007
If you are focused on 1/4 mile times (E.T.), then a quick review of the 1/4 thread shows that if you want the fastest E.T you need an auto.
The available manual transmissions have crappy ratios for 1/4 mile performance and you can see this with the higher trap speeds (more HP) but slower ET's. This holds true for both the 3800 and V8 groups once you are in the 11-12 second range or over 350 hp.
Most people who choose the manual transmission are more focused on driving enjoyment under all conditions at the sacrifice of optimal 1/4 ET performance.
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joshh44 Member
Posts: 2166 From: Nanaimo, B.C, Canada Registered: Aug 2007
what iv seen posted. most people seem to be getting around 12 - 13 seconds. which is still a very quick car. I would love to have a V8. but with 4 cly fuel economy.
i wouldnt mind putting the Ford ecoboost engine in my car.
what iv seen posted. most people seem to be getting around 12 - 13 seconds. which is still a very quick car. I would love to have a V8. but with 4 cly fuel economy.
i wouldnt mind putting the Ford ecoboost engine in my car.
I would say more have been getting high 13s and up...Also 12-13 second car these days is deemed pretty slow these days...I mean you have 4 door sedans that can run low 13s off the show room floor.....Considered being quick is high 11s.....
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nitroheadz28 Member
Posts: 4774 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Mar 2010
I would say more have been getting high 13s and up...Also 12-13 second car these days is deemed pretty slow these days...I mean you have 4 door sedans that can run low 13s off the show room floor.....Considered being quick is high 11s.....
Agreed... I'm trying to buy a sh!tbox 99 grand prix sedan with the 3800 NA top swapped with the M90 and a few goodies like 1.9 rockers/ headers and full exhaust/ smaller pulley and other small goodies, its a low-mid 13 sec car for under $1500 lol... At least when the car dies I'll save the engine for a fiero swap
But IMO if you're going through the trouble of doing an engine swap... Especially an LS or 350 swap which costs much more due to the extra work required, its a little sad to just be put-putting around blowing smoke if you can't beat a stock '11 Camaro or Mustang.
But IMO if you're going through the trouble of doing an engine swap... Especially an LS or 350 swap which costs much more due to the extra work required, its a little sad to just be put-putting around blowing smoke if you can't beat a stock '11 Camaro or Mustang.
Why should you be able to beat a stock '11 Camaro or Mustang?
Not that you don't want to, but my point is that the state of the art has come so far that a stock '11 Camaro is a pretty fast car. The V6 Model is pushing over 300 hp and it's got all brand new parts around it. Why should bolting in a junkyard V8 into a 25 year old car automatically make it faster than the '11 Camaro?
The Fiero has the problem with finding a suitable transaxle to hold the torque of a V8. It's easy enough to bolt in an LSx motor but unless you spend megabucks you are going to break something if you try to make it as fast as that '11 Carmaro.
In my humble opinion if your goal is to be as fast as the '11 Camaro you might as well save yourself the trouble and just buy the Camaro. The ZL1 Camaro has a top speed over 180 mph. The 1/4 mile time is reported at "only" 12.0 for the auto and I'm sure somebody on here will complain that it's slow and their Fiero is faster. Well I'd rather own the ZL1 Camaro over any Fiero.
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Originally posted by rcp builders: Yours might not be but thats all I care about is the speed. Any self respecting v8 owner should not post things like this. Ray
... speed is relative...point A to point B... all depends on how fast you want to get there... me, in one piece WITHOUT killing anyone while getting there. Once you have flown in a jet fighter like I have SPEED in a car is VERY F'N boring..... I'll always remember the rumble of those Pratt & Whitneys pushing our a$$es across the runway on take off... NO F'N QUARTER MILE SC3800 fiero WILL BEAT THAT ... thats all I will say... I love SC3800 and one day will have one in my wife's fiero... not for speed its "passé" to me.
. A v8 sounds awesome n I would love for my car to have that sound. 
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