Nice try dude, but as I understand it we're just swapping engines here, nothing else. Lol. I'm starting to get geeked up a bit now. At first it was all a bit distant now I can see progress and the anticipation is building. Good luck with your swap. From all I can see we both picked the right guy.

quote Originally posted by David DeVoe: From all I can see we both picked the right guy.

Confirmed.

Confirmation preliminarily seconded.
I think I've been the biggest pain in his neck with my (even more OCD) requirements and my car has been there the longest, and he hasn't asploded it (or me) yet, so that's gotta tell you something.

I really do want a game changing full-package beast of a performance street Fiero, and he's doing a damn good job of helping me get it there. As they always say, though, the devil is in the details. Lots of work ahead for both of us still!

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Well, I might be the closest to getting done. Yeah, mines the silver 87. Haven't been able to find an 88 yet, but I'm on the lookout. I'm on Fiero grounding for awhile, though. My financial advisor says I have to cut back and deal with the one I have for now. Not sure if I can handle being happy with just ONE Fiero, but the 3800 sc might make it a little easier!
Vince

quote Originally posted by vrossiter: Well, I might be the closest to getting done. Yeah, mines the silver 87. Haven't been able to find an 88 yet, but I'm on the lookout. I'm on Fiero grounding for awhile, though. My financial advisor says I have to cut back and deal with the one I have for now. Not sure if I can handle being happy with just ONE Fiero, but the 3800 sc might make it a little easier! Vince

Vince,
Your's should be the next one done. When you pick it up, we'll be sure to give you a ride in the VR6 Fiero. That will open your eyes to an engine that starts pulling at 1500 rpms and doesn't let up until 7500rpms. After discussing it with a few other German car enthusiasts, that car sounds closest to a Porsche 911 with a performance exhaust.
Anyway, here are a few pics that I haven't posted yet.

Ryan and I teaming up to finish some of the smaller details....



Your relocated fuel pressure regulator (idea borrowed from Darth aka Sinister Performance). This allows the fuel rail to be returnless and keeps the fuel cooler.



Your relocated ignition coils.....



I've taken a lot of crap about where I locate my coils. People ask me what happens if they get wet being so close to the ground. My answer is this.....As long as your ignition system is working properly, there won't be any issues. I've had mine completely submerged in a long deep puddle and not a hint of a misfire. Yes, they will start to break up when the wires are old and arching, but they should be replaced at that point anyway.

quote Originally posted by sabooo: Confirmed.

quote Originally posted by ALLTRBO: Confirmation preliminarily seconded. I think I've been the biggest pain in his neck with my (even more OCD) requirements and my car has been there the longest, and he hasn't asploded it (or me) yet, so that's gotta tell you something. I really do want a game changing full-package beast of a performance street Fiero, and he's doing a damn good job of helping me get it there. As they always say, though, the devil is in the details. Lots of work ahead for both of us still!

Thanks for the confidence. Steven, I am still working on your swap, but I have no pics to post at this time. I'll send you a detailed email in a day or so.

quote Originally posted by David DeVoe: Nice try dude, but as I understand it we're just swapping engines here, nothing else. Lol. I'm starting to get geeked up a bit now. At first it was all a bit distant now I can see progress and the anticipation is building. Good luck with your swap. From all I can see we both picked the right guy.

David,

I'm excited about your swap cause Jet-Hot just billed my credit card on Friday, so your exhaust should be back in my hands in a few days and I'll be able to continue building your swap.
That's about it for now....

Dave

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Joey sent me a message with the initial start. If I can figure out how to convert it, I'll post it here, but no luck so far.

Vince

quote Originally posted by vrossiter: Joey sent me a message with the initial start. If I can figure out how to convert it, I'll post it here, but no luck so far. Vince

Yeah, It is a quick video....I didn't want to run it for more than a few seconds because the exhaust is not hooked up yet. I just wanted to verify there were no fuel leaks and it would start.
Dave

quote Your relocated fuel pressure regulator (idea borrowed from Darth aka Sinister Performance). This allows the fuel rail to be returnless and keeps the fuel cooler.

Its a double edged sword. While long term fuel temp stays lower, average fuel temp going into the motor is much higher.

I have used this returnless-ish configuration once now, and it seems to work well with some really high horsepower type stuff going on.

I'm not doubting, but please explain to me why the overall temp is much higher. The fuel system functions the same except for the fact that the regulator is located closer to the tank. Most German cars have been using the fuel filter near the tank as the regulator for over 10 years, so I assumed it must be a better system.
I have been using some of the German technology on my swaps whenever I can.
Dave

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: I'm not doubting, but please explain to me why the overall temp is much higher. The fuel system functions the same except for the fact that the regulator is located closer to the tank. Most German cars have been using the fuel filter near the tank as the regulator for over 10 years, so I assumed it must be a better system. I have been using some of the German technology on my swaps whenever I can. Dave

GM has used it too (almost all of the v8 cars in the last 15 years use this style).

Its not really a better or worse situation. It would help a high flow fuel pump stay cooler, that is a good perk.

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: I'm not doubting, but please explain to me why the overall temp is much higher. The fuel system functions the same except for the fact that the regulator is located closer to the tank. Most German cars have been using the fuel filter near the tank as the regulator for over 10 years, so I assumed it must be a better system. I have been using some of the German technology on my swaps whenever I can. Dave

My regulator is also near the tank. My logic is that since we don't return heated fuel to the tank from the rails on a hot engine the fuel stays cooler so I agree. I do not understand how the fuel should not remain cooler this way.
Lets assume that you are going 60 mph and get 30 mpg. You are then going one mile per minute and using 2 gallons of fuel per hour and one gallon every 30 minutes. Your fuel usage them would be 4.266 ounces of fuel every minute. However, that flow rate should not heat the fuel signifcantly using either approach. Is this logic sound?.

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here is a quick cell phone pic of the logs and Y-pipe freshly coated by Jet-Hot....these are for Dave's white GT.

Dave, from what I see...you do nice work. And things progess quick, even if its working with fieros. Its nice to see your wife helping out doing swaps with the wiring. You don't see too many wives today doing engine swaps with their honey...hehe.

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Dave, that exhaust is looking very good...you set a very high standard, man.

R U still moving? Will you be at Carlisle this year?

Dont you love the northstar TB's when doing swaps in v6's?

What is the modlist other than the TB?

That N* TB was one of my favorite mods. Not for hp reasons, but because it tamed the intake rasp so well.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Dont you love the northstar TB's when doing swaps in v6's? What is the modlist other than the TB?

The list of mods is not a long one. Just a few internal goodies. But Dave figures this should go for somewhere north of 300hp when its all said and done. Dyno runs coming soon, and then we will see. As I said earlier in the thread, my only real requirments for Dave on this were numbers. I told him I wanted to see 300hp and 300 ft/lbs and his only question for me was, "Do you know how you want to get there, or do you want me to get creative?" I told Dave that how it happened was up to him, and I think that I put the car in very capable hands. I will be honored to have a Haus of Guru swap, and if I'm not mistaken, the only one this far west. It will be an honor and a privalege to drive this car when it's done and if Dave and Joey decide to continue to do swaps I will recomend them highly. The chances that I will find anybody else in South Dakota willing to ship there car to Kentucky is unlikely, but hey, you never know!

quote Originally posted by vrossiter: Joey sent me a message with the initial start. If I can figure out how to convert it, I'll post it here, but no luck so far. Vince

Here is a link to the startup with the complete exhaust system on the car....lots of pollen on the car. Sorry about the low quality video...taken from my cell phone.

Cool man, sounds mean!

I can't wait for my little moment of turbo truth! Heck, if it works out to be on a weekend, maybe I can make it up there to videotape it in person. I know that's unlikely though, just get'er done by your own (double overtime!) schedule. I know how tight your schedule is going to be until the move and after the move! Keep up the good work dude.

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Are you going to be opening a hop in KY? Most importantly are you going to still be doing the 3800 swaps?

quote Originally posted by JesseM: Are you going to be opening a hop in KY? Most importantly are you going to still be doing the 3800 swaps?

Yes, I plan to keep doing the 3800 swaps after I get settled in.

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: I'm not doubting, but please explain to me why the overall temp is much higher. The fuel system functions the same except for the fact that the regulator is located closer to the tank. Most German cars have been using the fuel filter near the tank as the regulator for over 10 years, so I assumed it must be a better system. I have been using some of the German technology on my swaps whenever I can. Dave

In a returnless any fuel that gets into the rails can only get out by going into the engine. In a return system nearly all if not all unused fuel goes back to the tank. As far as how much hear where, it would be situational. The worst case would be if there was low demand, say idleing for a long time. When that happens more gas sits in the rails for longer so the fuel in the rails would have a greater opportunity to acquire heat in a returnless system. Heat always goes from higher state to lower state so the heat around the heads (heat rises) would rise to the fuel rail area and heat the rails and that in turn would heat the fuel that was in the rail. In a return system the fuel not used by the engine would remove the heat that got to the rails and pull it away, cooling the rails. When it got to the tank it would be warmer than the fuel there so it would lose heat to and out of the tank, a very large heat sink. So the fuel in the tank would be a few degrees warmer in a bypass system and the fuel in the rails would be much warmer in a returnless system. The gas getting into the engine in a returnless would be warmer. Higher demand reduces the effect but the fuel rails in a returnless would always be hotter than in a return system.


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quote Originally posted by ALLTRBO: Cool man, sounds mean!

Sounds like fun to me!!
I've started planning my trip! WooHoo!

Here are a few pics of Vince's exhaust.





We wrapped the pipe because of the coil location. Everything looks great!

Dave

Quick bump for a new week. You guys done recuperating yet? Hows everything at the Haus?
Vince

Dave,

Did you make or modify your VW wheel center caps on your VR6? I have Audi TT fat five rims on my car and would like to have Fiero centre caps made...any advice?

Just a quick update at the Haus.....

I am no longer relocating the shop this year....the sale of my shop did not go as I wanted or as it was agreed upon, so I called it off. So, the NJ crowd is stuck with me for another year, but I do hope to be able to sell the shop (or all of the excess equipment) sometime this next year.
I look at it this way, it gives me another year to pay off the new alignment rack, so I'll have more cash in hand to move with next year. The reason I need to move in the summer is that I don't want to pull my kids out of school mid year.
I won't be taking in any new projects until Dave's white GT and Steven's red GT are completed.
Dave

A few quick pics of Dave's swap we are building......

The cat with rear monitor and flex pipe downstream.



the drivetrain installed....





I am currently redesigning a new low mount alternator bracket for this setup....so far, I like it. Other than that, the main shop has been very busy, but I still manage to find a decent amount of time to work on this swap.

Dave

dave,
sorry to hear that you are stuck in jersey for another year...(or am i...lol)
does this mean that i should start saving up for a 3.8 swap?
also alignment question...are all fiero (i have an 87 gt) algnments set up with wheels toed out? mine is really noticable. and can they be set with the wheels toed in?
thanks
al
btw hope all is well.

I can take care of that alignment issue for you. They should not be toed out.

I will be staying in NJ for another year or two and I will be taking in more swaps once the ones that are already on my plate are finished.

I just picked up a nice powdercoating system, so I'll be doing all my own powdercoating from here on. This will keep the downtime to a minimum and put the money in my pocket instead of someone else's.

Dave

well it looks like my next income tax return has your name on it...again i hope all works out for you but i am not real sorry you staying in jersey for a while (lol).
when i get the body work and paint done i'll get it down to you for the alignment / toe problem.
thanks again
al

btw about how long does a 3.8 s/c swap take?

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after puting 5K on my car since Dave swapped the engine i Had no issues. With the Quality or Craftsmanship of Dave's Work.

Here is the weekend update.....

We have the original drivetrain from Dave Devoe's car swapped into my '88 Formula....it runs nice.



Also, Dave's car is in the final stages now. We moved it to the "wiring harness bay" to begin installing the harness Joey put together a few months ago. I also purchased a powdercoating and ceramic coating system for the Haus to keep the downtime to a minimum....and hopefully drop some of the expense. Jet Hot was a two week turnaround. Also, this will allow me to keep most of Alltrbo's parts from leaving the Haus (just kidding, I figured I'd save him some bucks and make me some by eliminating the middleman).

Now with Dave's swap, we are using a 2006 Grand Prix drivetrain, but running series II electronics. To do this the injector plugs had to be changed out. Rather than solder, I decided to repin with new connectors....here are a few cool pics....









The wiring harness in the beginning stages......









Anynuttin, everything is coming along nicely....a little behind schedule, but better late than never

Dave

Looking very good, Dave. Like I said in the email; I'd rather have it right then quick, and it sure is looking right from here.

quote Originally posted by David DeVoe: Looking very good, Dave. Like I said in the email; I'd rather have it right then quick, and it sure is looking right from here.

and it looks like it will be quick, too!

I was working on Project DeVoe today. The wiring to the computer is done. Tomorrow I will be working on the C203.

Unfortunately Dave was preoccupied with other work in the shop and could not get pics.

Maybe he'll get some pics of the wiring tomorrow.

Joey

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As promised...Joey signed the pcm after the wiring was completed.....





Also....when I hire new employees, I need to see just how far they are willing to go to work for me.....Here is Ryan washing Dave's Fiero....dressed as i requested....lol